Superman and Flash vs Ice Man and Beta Ray Bill

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb

No amount of over-wanked, Speedfarce mojo will enable Flash to become more that roadkill against BRB.

Wrong. The Speed Force has worked against 4th Dimensional Beings, Gods, and even the Anti-Monitor....

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
First nanosecond... Flash drains all kinetic energy from Bill (leaving out the fact that Bill can

a) generate more energy

How? Beta Ray Bill won't even be able to think much less move. Draining ALL his kinetic energy would render Beta Ray Bill's complete atomic structure to a complete standstill. The electrons around every atom would stop spinning. He would be a literal statue.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
b) turn the Speedfarce off

Completely and utterly wrong. And quite a stupid and ignorant statement. The SpeedForce is the kinetic heaven to ALL kinetic energy in the DC multiverse. It's the source of all motion right down to the sub-atomic structure.

Beta Ray Bill turning "off" the SpeedForce is as stupid as saying he can turn "off" the Phoenix Force or the Cosmic Power....

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Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
c) teleport

Again. How? Beta Ray Bill's brain isn't working because the neuron impulses aren't firing, his heartbeat has stopped and his atomic structure has come to halting grind due to a kinetic energy drain. His heart can't beat without kinetic energy and his brain can function without electrical neural impulses firing about.

He won't react fast enough to teleport anyhoo...

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
The flash hits Bill with an IMP times 10. Bill gets a slight bruise,

An IMP hits anywhere ranging from a neutron star (the mass and weight of our entire solar system times five) and infinity mass which is why it's called the Infinite Mass Punch.

Saying Beta Ray Bill will get a "slight bruise" from an attack that has knocked out Superman-level characters with ease is almost as stupid as you saying "IMP times 10" (infinity times 10 is STILL infinity 😐 )

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
and the resulting planetary explosion causes the Flash to die when after he stops using the Speedfarce.

I'm not even going to bother with statement since your "argument" as been completely dismantled.

You miss the point. Flash gives Superman the SpeedForce. Superman with Flash's powers curbstomps Beta Ray Bill....

Im wondering what the power of an Odin enhanced hammer could have on flash and the speed force. If it would be possible to manipulate, stop, alter, etc.

bil can fly so hows flash gonna touch bil summons lightning and lights his ass up.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Now physically what can Flash do to him?That Bobby can't recover from,

Are you not listening. Bobby cannot recover if he has no water molecules for his consciousness to transport to.

Let's say you can transport your consciousness to any body of water. Could you transport your consciousness in the .000001 seconds the Flash has began to dismantle every single molecule in your form to sparse electrons? No...

Because you don't have superhuman reactions. Much like Bobby. Bobby will be dead, dead, dead because his consciousness won't be housing any water molecules. With it, it'll disperse and die.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
[QUOTE=8156027]Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
[B]also how much of Flash's abilities can Stormbreaker stop?

None. The Speed Force is like the Phoenix Force. It's integral to the multiverse. That mallet isn't doing shit to turn it off or disrupt it....

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
No he doesn't start out as molecules, but a simply physical attack to shatter his "human" form puts him that way without much effort.

Shatter? Did I say Flash was going to "shatter" anything? No, I state Flash was literally going disengrate Iceman to sparse electrons via vibrational molecular alteration. Or simply dumping him in the Anti-Matter universe or the Speed Force. Either will instantly kill Bobby.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
He doesn't have to steal his water, he has it in his body. He is still human therefor water is still present.

This is stupid statement. Why don't you read my arguements correctly? Key words only. Speedblitz. Disengration. No water molecules. Bobby no react. Bobby die.

He starts out in his iceform anyway. He transforms his body into pure ice. And it will be reduced to sparse protons and neutrons which Bobby cannot survive as in .000000001 seconds.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I don't see him in another league than a bloodlusted full potential bobby either.

That's because you simply don't get it. I've already outlined several ways Flash can instantly kill Bobby.

Speedforce dumping.
Anti-Matter teleportation.
Stopping time.
Ripping him to sparse electrons.
Transforming into a Speed Force energy being and becoming one with the Speed Force (think Phoenix) and completely decimating Bobby into nothingness.

Hell, Wally has even created a minature black hole by spinning his arms really fast. Bobby gets sucked into a black hole.

And the REALLY sad part about it. ALL of these tactics will happen in the space of pectosecond or less. Bobby won't even know what the f**k hit him.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Im still leaning to the point of a stale mate between those two and BRB taking a slight majority over Supes.

I've already dismantled your arguement with Bobby (and you've yet to give me a solid attack tactic Bobby could possibly use on Flash)

And you've completely ignored my SpeedForce lending tactic with Superman. Superman gets Flash's powers. Superman with Flash's powers speedblitzes Beta Ray Bill into a bloody manure pile....

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Im wondering what the power of an Odin enhanced hammer could have on flash and the speed force. If it would be possible to manipulate, stop, alter, etc.

No. Absolutely not. I've already stated this.

The Speed Force is the source of ALL motion right down to the sub-atomic level of kinetic energy in the ENTIRE DC MULTIVERSE.

It's as fundamental as death.

BRB's little mallet would do absolute sh** to the SpeedForce. It's as ridiculous as saying Beta Ray Bill can stop or alter the Phoenix Force or Death itself or the Infinity Gauntlet....

Originally posted by xmeat
bil can fly so hows flash gonna touch bil summons lightning and lights his ass up.

Flash doesn't need to touch BRB. Superman with the SpeedForce boost would be speedblitzing BRB at billions of times the speed of light...squared.

The force behind his punches at THAT speed (Superman + Flash's speed = inquantifiable) would knock BRB's head off...

dont even compare flash to the phoenix force which can consume galaxies and as i was stating before bil stalematet stardust a herald all stardust would have to do to flash is open a black hole and consume him.

Originally posted by xmeat
dont even compare flash to the phoenix force which can consume galaxies and as i was stating before bil stalematet stardust a herald all stardust would have to do to flash is open a black hole and consume him.

I'm not comparing Flash to the Phoenix Force. I'm comparing the Speed Force to the Phoenix Force since both are integral to their respective universes.

Funny. Flash has once created a black hole as well...and outran it.

Flash won't be fighting Beta Ray Bill. He just gives Superman the SpeedForce and Superman will be ridiculously fast to the point BRB won't even perceive him much less react to him....

last time i checked flash couldn't run in space. And still a weapon created by odin wont do anything to him sometimes people overrate flash to much.

Originally posted by xmeat
last time i checked flash couldn't run in space.

Wrong again:

Originally posted by xmeat
And still a weapon created by odin wont do anything

The Presence created the SpeedForce.

Odin created the little mallet Horseface wields.

Presence> (add an infinite amount of ">"😉 Odin....

Originally posted by xmeat
sometimes people overrate flash to much.

If you possessed the knowledge of what Flash is capable of you would know I'm putting him exactly where he belongs.

well you proved me wrong but still Odins magic> infinite punch

He can run in space, without too much trouble.

Even still looking through the respect thread, I havn't come accross anything that shows flash having the ability to seperate molecules by vibrations alone, then again I havn't made it completely through it. This whole tactic to be effective would require his to be able to disperse every water atom in Bobbys body, a feat I don't see coming easily.

Originally posted by Draco69
Wrong. The Speed Force has worked against 4th Dimensional Beings, Gods, and even the Anti-Monitor....

Mjollnir has hurt Galactus. Stormbreaker is almost the equal of Mjollnir.

Galactus is more powerful than any 5D Imp, and almost every DC god and is about as powerful as the unamped AM.

Originally posted by Draco69

How? Beta Ray Bill won't even be able to think much less move. Draining ALL his kinetic energy would render Beta Ray Bill's complete atomic structure to a complete standstill. The electrons around every atom would stop spinning. He would be a literal statue.

Not going to happen.

Originally posted by Draco69 Completely and utterly wrong. And quite a stupid and ignorant statement. The SpeedForce is the kinetic heaven to ALL kinetic energy in the DC multiverse. It's the source of all motion right down to the sub-atomic structure.

Last I checked

a) BRB is NOT a character from the DCU.
b) The Speedfarce does not work in the MU and therefore would not work on characters from it

Originally posted by Draco69 Beta Ray Bill turning "off" the SpeedForce is as stupid as saying he can turn "off" the Phoenix Force or the Cosmic Power....

The Phoenix Force makes the Speedfarce look like a light snack compared to all the food in a supermarket.

The Odinpower empowered Mjollnir has hurt beings empowered by the Power Cosmic, and the Odinforce in combination with Thor's Godforce almost killed Galactus.

Originally posted by Draco69
Again. How? Beta Ray Bill's brain isn't working because the neuron impulses aren't firing, his heartbeat has stopped and his atomic structure has come to halting grind due to a kinetic energy drain. His heart can't beat without kinetic energy and his brain can function without electrical neural impulses firing about.

Too bad the Speedfarce would have anything to do with any kinetic energy in Bill or the MU.

Originally posted by Draco69 He won't react fast enough to teleport anyhoo...

He does not have to react fast enough, he simply acts whenever he choses, as the Flash cannot hurt him.

Originally posted by Draco69
An IMP hits anywhere ranging from a neutron star (the mass and weight of our entire solar system times five) and infinity mass which is why it's called the Infinite Mass Punch.

Our solar system does not have a set weight. Weight is the force that arises due to the space time curvature arising between discrete points of mass.

A neutron star has a give mass yes... but no set weight as well.

There is no such thing as "infinite mass" in the real world btw. One cannot reach the speed of light to generate such a condition.

Originally posted by Draco69
Saying Beta Ray Bill will get a "slight bruise" from an attack that has knocked out Superman-level characters with ease is almost as stupid as you saying "IMP times 10" (infinity times 10 is STILL infinity 😐 )

You missed the obvious sarcasm with the magnitude of the event.

Thor, BRB and the Hulk for example hit hard enough to shatter planets, BRB has taken those shots more or less ok.

Originally posted by Draco69
I'm not even going to bother with statement since your "argument" as been completely dismantled.

Too bad no such thing occured.

Originally posted by Draco69 You miss the point. Flash gives Superman the SpeedForce. Superman with Flash's powers curbstomps Beta Ray Bill....

Superman can already accomplish almost everything that the Flash can with his own powerset.

5 billlion plus 5 is not that significant a figure.

lol.

No Supes is nowhere as fast as the Flash. and 5D beings are MORE powerful that Galactus. Joker with 99% of Mxyptlk's power destroyed and recreated the universe easily.

dc win, the arguement is going in circles but its obvious.

Draco should stop wasting his time and let the noobs tire their fingers.

Originally posted by Draco69
Are you not listening. Bobby cannot recover if he has no water molecules for his consciousness to transport to.

Let's say you can transport your consciousness to any body of water. Could you transport your consciousness in the .000001 seconds the Flash has began to dismantle every single molecule in your form to sparse electrons? No...

Because you don't have superhuman reactions. Much like Bobby. Bobby will be dead, dead, dead because his consciousness won't be housing any water molecules. With it, it'll disperse and die.

None. The Speed Force is like the Phoenix Force. It's integral to the multiverse. That mallet isn't doing shit to turn it off or disrupt it....

Shatter? Did I say Flash was going to "shatter" anything? No, I state Flash was literally going disengrate Iceman to sparse electrons via vibrational molecular alteration. Or simply dumping him in the Anti-Matter universe or the Speed Force. Either will instantly kill Bobby.

This is stupid statement. Why don't you read my arguements correctly? Key words only. Speedblitz. Disengration. No water molecules. Bobby no react. Bobby die.

He starts out in his iceform anyway. He transforms his body into pure ice. And it will be reduced to sparse protons and neutrons which Bobby cannot survive as in .000000001 seconds.

That's because you simply don't get it. I've already outlined several ways Flash can instantly kill Bobby.

Speedforce dumping.
Anti-Matter teleportation.
Stopping time.
Ripping him to sparse electrons.
Transforming into a Speed Force energy being and becoming one with the Speed Force (think Phoenix) and completely decimating Bobby into nothingness.

Hell, Wally has even created a minature black hole by spinning his arms really fast. Bobby gets sucked into a black hole.

And the REALLY sad part about it. ALL of these tactics will happen in the space of pectosecond or less. Bobby won't even know what the f**k hit him.

I've already dismantled your arguement with Bobby (and you've yet to give me a solid attack tactic Bobby could possibly use on Flash)

And you've completely ignored my SpeedForce lending tactic with Superman. Superman gets Flash's powers. Superman with Flash's powers speedblitzes Beta Ray Bill into a bloody manure pile....

No offense but it looks to me like you cannot read. He stated numerous ways for Flash to defeat Bobby without laying a finger on him. Fact of the matter is Flash's reaction time + his ridiculous speed is too much for Bobby to handle. Hell I'd say Superman's speed is way too much for Bobby to handle.

I do like this forum.

But, for the record, i don't recall Flash ever pulling off simultaneous imps in a row.

One tires him out greatly.

He might own Bobby, but one imp against BRB wouldn't do it i'd say.
Multiple ones, sure.

But one is all he's gonna get to do.

Superman and BRB, Billy gets my nod.

So its a wasted ThunderGod vs a wasted Speedfreak.

I'd give it to Bill.