Batdude's Tourney Match #3

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No, but being invisible shouldn't be a problem.

It will be considering the attempt you made during your prep only freezes things in time.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
not like BRB is "new" to the hammer, it shouldn't be that difficult to produce a shield. BRB is half cyborg, it shouldn't be much of a problem producing identical feats with Stormbreaker

It may not be difficult if he had any idea of half the things the hammer was capable of, but as he doesn't then you using Thor w/Mjolnir feats is total BS

Originally posted by Soujaboy
considering BRB's had possession of one of the hammers since 1983. To my knowledge 23 years > a week.

Real time does not equal comic time ... BRB has had a hammer for a handful of years tops, Thor has had his for thousands of years, the analogy stands

Thor's hammer experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill's

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Originally posted by Soujaboy
We may not be intangible, but we are invisible.

Based on what?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
There should be no reason why Stormbreaker can't duplicate the shields Mjolnir has created in the past.

If you can show that Bill can do it or has seen it done then post it.... if not then he isn't doing it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Are Strategy is still strong, what you should be worried about is how your going to get Warlock free from Cain after his failed attempts at getting Cains helmet off. Looks to me that your most valuable character will be dealt with fairly quickly in this fight.

Nope, as Digi said, Warlock isn't going near Juggs until Cap and Bill are toast (which wont take long)

Originally posted by Soujaboy
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor0.jpg
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Looks like your beloved Thor was about to be killed by our useless Cain Marko who didn't even want to fight. It was only a few pages too, that Cain marko works fast.

That's 8th day version Juggernaut, you do not have that version so those scans are completely pointless.... even moreso because Thor isn't going to be fighting Juggernaut here.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
It is energy, the same cosmic energy that Surfer outer skin is made of.

It is a solid skin created from an energy source.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
What matter does Surfer manipulate in the scan below?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/annihilationsilversurfer4011fz3.jpg

He transforms energy into matter ... seems obvious.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
BRB can either....

1. Absorb the energy back from Thor, leaving Thor at normal power lv's.

BRB cannot absorb the power cosmic out of a character, especially Thor, who can block any hammer trick Bill attempts.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
2. Stormbreaker/Mjolnir can reverse energy polarities (Avengers#70 vs. Hyperion- meaning that BRB can reverse the energy power up process, weakening Thor.

Thor can .... show me where Bill has done that.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
you and I both know how aggressive BRB is.🙂

Yup, and his aggression is the reason he normally fights without thinking... for instance, Stardust was an energy creature firing energy at Bill .... and not once did Bill even try to absorb any of it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Like I said, the boards are created from raw cosmic energy, and thus can be absorbed and or manipulated by Atom or Bill.

No, they really can't .... show one time, in all the Surfer's appearances, where anyone has absorbed his surfboard.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
A skill advantage wont help vs character who are virtually invulnerable. We will not feel any pain, due to our initial plan.

Thor = BRB
Power Cosmic >>> Captain Atom
Thor + power Cosmic >>>>> BRB with a suit of energy armour

Thor + Power Cosmic + all of Surfer's memories means that any energy armour is absolutely useless ... it's either absorbed or destroyed the moment Thor sees it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Again a strength advantage wont mean much considering the defensive prep placed upon Atom.

Surfer's skin >>> Atom's armour
Surfer's abilities >>> Atom's abilities
Surfer + enhanced Warlock = Atom dying

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Phantom during this time has been teleported away by Bill

Teleportation for BFR was banned in the rules.

And Bill is busy dying.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
It's good your crawling away from your initial plan.

Our plan is working fine, you just didn't follow it... if you did you'd note that Juggernaut isn't going near anyone until after BRB and Atom are out of it. yet you seem to have him taking out both Thor and warlock as soon as the match starts ... which is funny as they can move at lightspeed and Juggs has trouble hitting 50mph

Originally posted by Soujaboy
However this plan wont work either. Your baords have already been absorbed and or manipulated into prisons.

Literally can't happen... and while you're wasting time attempting it you'll be KOd

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Juggernaut will not be put out the fight so easily, especially considering his jumping abilities. Even if you did manage to strike Atom from behind with your board, the shield should keep him safe from harm.

Juggernaut is buried under miles of rock, Atom's shields aren't standing up to an all out Surfer + Warlock attack & drain.

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Thor fighting Bill ... while it may appear, cosmetically, that they have similar power ups, they really, really, don't.

Bill has a shield thrown up by someone else, Thor has been imbued with the Power Cosmic, he is coated in an indestructible silver skin, he can create energy shields on a whim, he is much faster than ever before, he has a massive strength boost that, quite possibly, has no upper limit, he has the innate ability to transmute Bill's energy shields and armour even without the hammer.....

Most importantly, he has the knowledge/experience to do all this as though it was second nature to him.

Bill's simple shield/armour combo is nothing to someone who can control all forms of energy and manipulate matter with a wave of his hand.

All this plus Thor has all his own memories of Bill's fighting style.... whereas Bill can't even guess at what Thor now knows.

And again, Thor's feats are not Bill's feats. Experience is key here.

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Juggernaut = far too slow to even worry about until Atom and Bill are done, therefore this match is and always was a 3 on 2 curbstomp for the most part.

The judges for this match are:

jinzin
juggernaut66666
Kallark Kent
Soljer
xmarksthespot

So were getting into th good stuff Now are we,excellent

Rightio lets begin.It is still well within our abilities to turn invisible and intangible how you ask? well simple.Captaain Atom is a molecular manipulator of the highest order and has shown that he can control his Suit and body density
http://img274.echo.cx/my.php?image=captainatom54163ui.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom25040xw.jpg

In those scans he shows that he has excellent control of his own molecules to the point that he can stash objects inside himself(he pulls the photo out of himself)So it would seem as though it is quite easy to alter his own density and it in all probability would be a simple matter to do to bill(we won't bother with Juggs as his strength lies in his indestructible bulk)

Unfortunately for Digi/scoobs he is also an energy weilder of the highest order,not only capable of generating light.
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom22198lp.jpg

To actually camoflouging himself with it!! So what does this mean?that he can manipulate the light around himself and Bill so as to produce invisibility.

So poor Digi/scoobs you didn't stop our strategy we just went by it in a different fashion.

As for this little number advantage your assuming you have That doesnt Apply once Capt Atom has Smashed thor into the ground
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1312/captainatomarmageddon01pg202no.jpg
(don't believe what Scoob has said,the Void was only active in Capt During issue #9 this is from #1 regardless i have already proven that Capt is powerful enough to do this when NOT amped)Once thor is there all Juggy has to do is jump in.Now If Digi/scoobs want to say that Adam is a great tactician and will not fall for this trick,well they will have to accept the facet of thors personality witch means the instant he sees Juggs he will attack,it's his style especially since there is Emnity with Warlock over the whole him trying to take Sif thing.

Once they are in the hole thor will not leave due to his code of honor in H2H combat that's why he never brings down hulk.

So we have Bill left over,What BS call is it that Thors feats are not his?i would like to take this opportunity to provide Digi/scoobs that Classic thor(the one with all the powers)had no memory of his thousands of years in existence because
a)2000 years Ago he was memory wiped by the eternals
b)He was using the form of donald blake in his first adventures and he had only possesed the hammer for about 3-5 comic years before he met bill.So he only had 3 or so years more experience then Bill and even with This extra Experience lost to bill in both their Enounters(they were circumstantial but still his hammer didn't help him)Indeed the only time thor has successfully but Bill down was when bill refused to battle him at all and thor was all-out savage,So i find the claim that Bill could not use the hammer to be insultingly ignorant especially since he was once instructing two other hammer weilders how to use their hammers to maximum potential.We clear? Good

Now i have also seen that Digi was having a comment about Adams supposed speed advantage he does not have access to surfers full speed only the speed of light(tourneys max) That is inconsiquential as he is trapped in a forcefeild with an untouchable captain Atom so woopdido Basil for his speed.Digis team is not picking the matchups nor the terms and conditions of the battle alright!!we are striking silently and Undetectably whilst thinning the ranks of there team,Its divide and Conquer and it works.

Soujaboy Post #4

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It was actually rendering us invisible, but hey if there's a problem with that then this should suffice.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgoR22.jpg

Either way, our team has the element of surprise on our side.

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Bill has more knowledge of the hammer then your giving him credit for. The scans below show Bill Stormbreaker's communication between itself and Bill, and it's tracking abilities. It also shows that Bill has an extreme experience with the hammer.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/track1ast0.jpg
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Note: One more thing I'd like to add is that it's also obvious that Masterson reveres Bill as much more experienced than himself, and it hints a little bit at Bill's skills as a leader.(thanks Howard)

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That may be true, by the fact still stands that Beta Ray had had 23 years of real time to have comic writers establish his experience with Stormbreaker.

I'm confused, because i'm positive it doesn't take thousands of years to learn how to create a shield?

Thor has more experience than Bill, thats great. Doesn't change the fact that Bill has experience with Stormbreaker, and should have no problem creating a shield.

And if you doubt Bill's intelligence, the scans below will display how fast he learned how to use Zaarko's time machine.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/machine1azy3.jpg
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The difficulty of learning how to use a highly technical time machine > The difficulty of having years to learn how to point a hammer and have a shield materialize.

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Based on the fact that Bill can twirl his hammer in a circle.

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I can't show Bill doing so just as you can't show Thor doing so. All I can give you is what Mjolnir has done, the duplicate hammer of Stormbreaker.

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Since your now not going towards Cain, then we'll come to you. Captain Atom can quickly imprison Warlock in a impenetrable shield, and materializes another around that. At this exact time, Bill quickly teleports Cain inside the same shield giving him the time to grab hold of Warlock and commence the beating.

However this most likely will not be necessary, especially considering the battle is taking place in a crater on the moon. Meaning Juggernauts leaping abilities should be proficient enough to get him around.

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8th day Juggernaut is your normal everyday, bust your jaw, kill your pride, stomp your head, Classic Juggernaut. The common misconception is that 8th day Juggernaut is more powerful than his classic form. This unfortunately for you is untrue, it's Juggernaut that was focused and had Cyttorak in his mind calling him to complete a task. It was established in The recent Excalibur arc, that Cain has always had Cyttorak prying at his mind, thus there was no difference in 8th day.

I would also like to add that Superman is not on your team yet you had no problem posting scans showing him besting Captain Atom, but hey who doesn't Superman own? I recall a time when Thor was bested by him. Do you remember it?

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It's a solid skin created from the power cosmic. The power cosmic when you break it down, equates to energy. Our team as you may already know, are the best at manipulating and absorbing energy.

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If he transforms energy into matter, than our team should have no problem reversing the process(if you ask how, I stated as much in earlier post). Your team will then no longer have the boards. it's not like the boards will help much in battle situations anyways. From what we've seen in Surfer's history, the board only aids him when moving in strait lines or between planets.

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Why not?

The power cosmic = cosmic energy = energy.

Our team = Master energy manipulators.

The scans below show Bill absorbing the energy from the living planet Ego. if Bill can easily absorb that energy form planetary size beings, than he should have no problem absorbing the cosmic energy boosting Thor, and the energy powering Surfer.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo.jpg
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Thor cannot, However Mjolnir can meaning Stormbreaker can.

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Would you rather have him boast as Thor does, because that helps a lot?

Bill may not have absorbed the energy, but he instead matched it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BRBvsStardust4.jpg

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Unfortunately in this tourney we'll be unable to show in cosmic history what happens in our plans. Comic character don't tend to be as smart as us comic readers.

But hey, show me a time in cannon cosmic history where Thor became Silver Thor Surfer.

There should be no reason why Atom or Bill can't reverse the process, and have the board reversed back into raw cosmic energy.

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Thor = BRB

The power cosmic as a whole, as in the one ultimately controlled by Galactus > Atom. However the power cosmic wielded by Surfer is in no way greater than Atom's energy output.

Thor won't have the power cosmic, it will be absorbed. I would also like for you to add the skin tight shield along with Bill's Quantum armor.

Again Thor won't have the power cosmic for long, and if he does the extra strength and durability wont help much against Bill's impenetrable shield. Bill will not feel Thor's strikes, however the same can't be said for Thor. You also forget about the super blast Bill has stored for your team. It would cause major damage to any character on your team.

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Surfer has been temporarily placed in a shield and teleported to the core of the moon, so our team has a few minutes with your other two teammates. By time Surfer returns, he wont be owning anyone. This is interchangeable by the way, either Surfer or Thor can be sent to the core as long as we have time with Warlock for at least a second.

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It's only temporary, it's not like we sent him to another dimension, just to the core of the battlefield.

Bill won't be killed by the Asgardian prince, especially with our supercharged attack ready for go.

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Na it's not. If you attack Cain first(which your initial plan was to have Warlock take on Cain) then Warlock is quickly grappled and defeated. If you plan to leave Cain alone, then we'll have Atom create a few shields around you, and have BRB teleport Cain inside the shield so he has alone time with Warlock. Either way, the outcome is the same, with warlock dead and defeated.

Whats flying at light speed going to help in a battlefield thats less than a mile long?

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I have already addressed the absorption of the boards, it should be no problem for us to manipulate them into prisons, or simply have Cain break them.

Our team wont be ko'd, our defensive prep will hold up.

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Juggernaut won't be stopped by rocks.

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Bill is ready for attack from Thor. he has a shield that have taken universal null bombs, and quantum armor that keeps him constantly at peak performance. No matter how much energy Thor puts out(which won't be much with only 10% of the power cosmic) Bill will be able to cope with it. Bill also has the option of simply reversing the energy polarities that gave Thor the power cosmic. This strategy will leave Thor weakened instead of strengthened.

Thor may be faster in a strait line(this won't be the case after his board is manipulated and or absorbed) than he was before, but his reflexes will remain the same. His speed won't be anything Bill hasn't dealt with, especially after Bill's display when figghting Stardust.

What will this strength boost help? Bill still has this uber durable shield leaving him protected. Thor is the defenseless one here, he has no defense for the stored supercharged attack(similar to the one that nearly killed him fighting with Mangog). The only additional defense Thor has is an extra 10% that he received from Surfer.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/SilverS17.jpg

Whats 10% of that armor going to help?

All this extra knowledge isn't going to help when his brains are being rattled at the very beginning of the battle. He wont be expecting for Bill to have his attack ready.

We've already figured out a way to reverse Thor's portion of power cosmic.

Bill won't have to guess, he'll be able to hit Thor with his initial attack leaving him stunned.

Thor feats aren't Thor's feats, there Mjolnirs feats and Stormbreaker = Mjolnir.

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I've already went over Cain.

Cool. Judges!

Digi's Post #3

First, observations. Second, specific counter-points to their posts.

A. They've used a bunch of Thor's Feats to debate for BRB. This utterly invalid, and actually strengthens our team.

B. They keep forgetting that Juggernaut is still WAY more immobile than our entire team, and that we're determining matchups, not them, because of this. Juggernaut would be lucky to hit a couple hundreds MPH. All of our team can fight at super-sonic speeds, and even approach light speed.

C. They have yet to offer ANY sort of proof that Juggernaut can channel electricity. He's a brawler, not an energy manipulator, or a balloon. It's just a fancy guess, with no basis in fact. And even if it wasn't, that attack is pretty weak in the scheme of things anyway.

D. The Invisibility and Intangibility feat they're using? Thor did that. Not Bill. I'll be nice and not add it to our battle plan, but they won't be doing it, because they have no evidence whatsoever that BRB has knowledge of that. Thor's experience with Mjolnir >>>>>> Bill with Stormbreaker.

D-1. And to keep them invisible and intangible, Stormbreaker would have to be whirling around them (see the scan for details). Meaning? BRB wouldn't even have Stormbreaker for the fight. So bogus feat + harming their own team = owned.

E. They also keep arguing that they'll absorb Warlock and Thor's board. This is ridiculous. With physically and tactically superior opponents fighting them, they won't have time to say "Oh, a board made of energy flying at me at near-lightspeed. I think I'll absorb it now." They'll be getting the life beat out of them by the board and our team. No absorbing will be taking place.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No, but being invisible shouldn't be a problem.

Yeah, actually, it's a huge problem, and something they can't actually do.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Identical hammer which do the same exact same thing, there should be no reason why I can't use Mjolnir(not Thor feats) to help display what Stormbreaker is capable of.

Except that Mjolnir took centuries to properly wield. Once again, it would be like saying Kyle Rayner, after having a GL ring for a month, could duplicate every feat Hal has ever done.

It doesn't work like that.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
And a "Gl" is non comparable to Thor/BRB. To my knowledge 23 years > a week. 😉 .

Actually, it's a great analogy to use. Powers are different, but experience is what we're talking about. And sure, 23 years > week. But 500+ years >>>> 23 years, especially when you can't back up your points with actual things Bill has done.

You can't beat us with Thor....he's on our team. 🙄

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Are Strategy is still strong, what you should be worried about is how your going to get Warlock free from Cain after his failed attempts at getting Cains helmet off. Looks to me that your most valuable character will be dealt with fairly quickly in this fight.

While I'm psyched that you consider Warlock our MVP, you're completely wrong about this aspect of the battle.

We're not dealing with Juggernaut until we want to. He can't fly, isn't fast, and we're more powerful than your team. We won't be dealing with him until either Atom or BRB is dead, which won't take long. So all your fancy ideas with Juggs mean nothing.

Originally posted by Soujaboy

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Looks like your beloved Thor was about to be killed by our useless Cain Marko who didn't even want to fight. It was only a few pages too, that Cain marko works fast.

1. That's 8th Day Juggs, not your draft pick.
2. Thor won't be brawling Juggs in this fight. Ever.
3. Thor's got massive upgrades now....it wouldn't even be the same fight.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Firstly lets clear up a few misconceptions that digi/scoob have laid down on us.Firstly their characters won't be choosing the matchups because during prep aside from Creating some uber sheilds we also turned intangible/invisible meaning your surferettes will just arrive to find empty space.

Nah, your intangible/invisible thing has already been shot to hell. It won't be happening at all.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Basically that says that with concentration my boy is capable of creating a universe indeed he has brought a dead dog back to life by remaking the universe

http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom055030pz.jpg
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So just to clarify no one on their team is capable of defeating Capt mano a mano.

....so just to clarify, that feat is totally invalid. I don't know the circumstances surrounding the issue, but Atom's comment of "Well, it's my universe" and the comment about him being "within the quantum field" suggest to me that something was different than normal to allow him to do that.

Second, if it is completely legit, which is doubtful at best, destroying a universe is IG type stuff, and also completely inconsistent with Atom's character and every other showing he's ever had, and also invalid for tourney purposes.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Firstly Atom will hit him with his hardest blast(from behind)whilst adam is reeling from the attack it is time for bill to unleash his super-bolt(see initial post for more details,if condition persists see doctor)Now if that bolt somehow doesn't put him down then atom will simply place him in a force feild
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03205lz.jpg
and pelt him with energy blasts,or unleash an Omni-blast
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03122kp.jpg
Suffice to say that Warlock will not be leaving the field conscious.

Where to start?

My entire spiel on Warlock was intended to drive home the idea that no one will be attacking Warlock by surprise. You AREN'T invisibile or intangible. And Warlock's way more skilled.

He's teleported out of the way of a Galactus blast before. Your boy Atom won't be any different. He'll use up a bunch of energy, think he's sweet, then Warlock will calmly smack him around after letting Atom expend himself for no good reason. He's faster (the board), smarter, more skilled, and probably more powerful overall. And Atom will be getting double-teamed.

And while I'm thinking of it, any feats when he was in the Wildstorm Universe (like beating Majestic) are invalid. He had a large upgrade from The Void at the time. He's back to classic levels for this fight, and it's the level that got owned by Superman (Scoob posted the pick) and the level that can't compete with our team.

Atom's screwed.

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Everyone keeps saying that this is a great match. I'm glad everyone's enjoying it, but we've deconstructed most of their plan and simply have them outclassed....I think they're doing a great job talking up their boys, but I just can't see the "great match". Juggs is such a huge liability that it's almost laughable, and the rest of their team won't be faring much better This is a flat-out curbstomp.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Cool. Judges!

Digi's Post #3

First, observations. Second, specific counter-points to their posts.

A. They've used a bunch of [B]Thor's Feats to debate for BRB. This utterly invalid, and actually strengthens our team.

B. They keep forgetting that Juggernaut is still WAY more immobile than our entire team, and that we're determining matchups, not them, because of this. Juggernaut would be lucky to hit a couple hundreds MPH. All of our team can fight at super-sonic speeds, and even approach light speed.

C. They have yet to offer ANY sort of proof that Juggernaut can channel electricity. He's a brawler, not an energy manipulator, or a balloon. It's just a fancy guess, with no basis in fact. And even if it wasn't, that attack is pretty weak in the scheme of things anyway.

D. The Invisibility and Intangibility feat they're using? Thor did that. Not Bill. I'll be nice and not add it to our battle plan, but they won't be doing it, because they have no evidence whatsoever that BRB has knowledge of that. Thor's experience with Mjolnir >>>>>> Bill with Stormbreaker.

D-1. And to keep them invisible and intangible, Stormbreaker would have to be whirling around them (see the scan for details). Meaning? BRB wouldn't even have Stormbreaker for the fight. So bogus feat + harming their own team = owned.

E. They also keep arguing that they'll absorb Warlock and Thor's board. This is ridiculous. With physically and tactically superior opponents fighting them, they won't have time to say "Oh, a board made of energy flying at me at near-lightspeed. I think I'll absorb it now." They'll be getting the life beat out of them by the board and our team. No absorbing will be taking place.

Yeah, actually, it's a huge problem, and something they can't actually do.

Except that Mjolnir took centuries to properly wield. Once again, it would be like saying Kyle Rayner, after having a GL ring for a month, could duplicate every feat Hal has ever done.

It doesn't work like that.

Actually, it's a great analogy to use. Powers are different, but experience is what we're talking about. And sure, 23 years > week. But 500+ years >>>> 23 years, especially when you can't back up your points with actual things Bill has done.

You can't beat us with Thor....he's on our team. 🙄

While I'm psyched that you consider Warlock our MVP, you're completely wrong about this aspect of the battle.

We're not dealing with Juggernaut until we want to. He can't fly, isn't fast, and we're more powerful than your team. We won't be dealing with him until either Atom or BRB is dead, which won't take long. So all your fancy ideas with Juggs mean nothing.

1. That's 8th Day Juggs, not your draft pick.
2. Thor won't be brawling Juggs in this fight. Ever.
3. Thor's got massive upgrades now....it wouldn't even be the same fight.

Nah, your intangible/invisible thing has already been shot to hell. It won't be happening at all.

....so just to clarify, that feat is totally invalid. I don't know the circumstances surrounding the issue, but Atom's comment of "Well, it's my universe" and the comment about him being "within the quantum field" suggest to me that something was different than normal to allow him to do that.

Second, if it is completely legit, which is doubtful at best, destroying a universe is IG type stuff, and also completely inconsistent with Atom's character and every other showing he's ever had, and also invalid for tourney purposes.

Where to start?

My entire spiel on Warlock was intended to drive home the idea that no one will be attacking Warlock by surprise. You AREN'T invisibile or intangible. And Warlock's way more skilled.

He's teleported out of the way of a Galactus blast before. Your boy Atom won't be any different. He'll use up a bunch of energy, think he's sweet, then Warlock will calmly smack him around after letting Atom expend himself for no good reason. He's faster (the board), smarter, more skilled, and probably more powerful overall. And Atom will be getting double-teamed.

And while I'm thinking of it, any feats when he was in the Wildstorm Universe (like beating Majestic) are invalid. He had a large upgrade from The Void at the time. He's back to classic levels for this fight, and it's the level that got owned by Superman (Scoob posted the pick) and the level that can't compete with our team.

Atom's screwed.

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Everyone keeps saying that this is a great match. I'm glad everyone's enjoying it, but we've deconstructed most of their plan and simply have them outclassed....I think they're doing a great job talking up their boys, but I just can't see the "great match". Juggs is such a huge liability that it's almost laughable, and the rest of their team won't be faring much better This is a flat-out curbstomp. [/B]

Well this was a waste of your post Digi.I have already proven that Thor has little to no Advantage over bill utilising the hammer why?because thor only has the memories of his time as donald blake and onwards and guess what?he only had that hammer 3-5 years before bill claimed stormbreaker and even when he first obtained the hammer he was capable of using it to full potential,hell it was classic Newb thor who used those abilities more than anyone comprende?

So thor does not have a hammer advantage over bill and even if he did it would not matter simply because it won't be Bill VS Thor it will be Thor VS Juggs why?because thor is stuck in a hole with Juggs.He was put there when an Intangible Invisible Capt Atom Blew Thors ass into it
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1312/captainatomarmageddon01pg202no.jpg

How did he acheive this without being Noticed
1)he can control his density
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatom54163ui.jpg
2)he can manipulate light
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom22198lp.jpg

So it doesn't matter that bill can't turn as into wraiths because We have Captain Atom to do it Comprende?

You keep stating you have the number advantage,BS i say i have given the strategy and it ends up as Thor locked in a pit with Juggy(thor will not use his exotic powers simply because he is the type to go H2H)and Space phantom ends up on the far side of the universe.So are you truly under the impression that Adam warlock on a surfboard can take Bill and Atom at the same time?my god all they need to score a win over Adam is for Bill to surround them with a Forcefeild(Atom can reinforce it)http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zerohour1129re.jpg
And Adam is trapped.As a Wraith it is well within Atoms Abilities to just sit there and release Omni-blasts
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03122kp.jpg
or just blast the crap out of him
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom29196cp.jpg
Now whats that you say?Warlock can absorb energy to!!!!well that's nice however i doubt he can do it to an infinite level and energy absorbtion didn't help this happy little camper
http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=justiceleagueeurope17p184zg.jpg
As the quantum feild is unlimited so is the energy Atom can put out,but not the amount Warlock can Absorb.

So space phantom returns only to find that he is now all on his lonesome against Bill and a Uber-wraith,so tell me what happens when bill(whom i have proven is equal or disturbingly close to)Thors skill ports all three of them to the sun,What then?all my guys have to do is rinse and repeat their old Strategy on Warlock and if that somehow against all odds isn't working Bill can put Phantom and Atom in a Forcefeild and Atom could turn Tangible and Rip open His containment suit.
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invasion03174ci.jpg
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invasion03251qr.jpg
That was Two GL greats who struggled to hold in Atom two of the best,So if Atom did off himself that would be the end of Phantom(of course phantom would not require Atom to kill himself i'm just saying phantom is doomed)

So our happy campers have returned home to find either Juggs with an Unconscious thor beaten to a bloody pulp Or through some Miracle a tired bruised triumhent Thor whom they could Pounce on and crush hard with a nice rinse and repeat strategy.

I'm with Digi i don't understand how people are saying this is a good match.I mean digi/scoobs talk a good game but c'mon this IS a curbstomp...but in our favour not theirs.

Digi's Post #4

I've basically covered main points in my previous posts. This will mainly just be counter-points.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Well this was a waste of your post Digi.I have already proven that Thor has little to no Advantage over bill utilising the hammer why?because thor only has the memories of his time as donald blake and onwards and guess what?he only had that hammer 3-5 years before bill claimed stormbreaker and even when he first obtained the hammer he was capable of using it to full potential,hell it was classic Newb thor who used those abilities more than anyone comprende?

Here's the difference though:

We're proving with scans everything that we want Thor to do. You don't have evidence for half the stuff Bill is attemtping, and you're using Mjolnir feats for Stormbreaker.

Timelines, Donald Blake, blah blah. The fact remains Thor has more on-panel feats that prove what he can do. So I don't even care if I don't have 2000 years of experience. Thor has shown to be more versatile, period....even within the last 10-20 years of Marvel comics.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
So thor does not have a hammer advantage over bill and even if he did it would not matter simply because it won't be Bill VS Thor it will be Thor VS Juggs why?because thor is stuck in a hole with Juggs.He was put there when an Intangible Invisible Capt Atom Blew Thors ass into it
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1312/captainatomarmageddon01pg202no.jpg

1. The invisible/intengible thing is still a Thor feat. Thus, it should be ignored.
2. That Cpt. Atom feat came when he had an upgrade from The Void in the Wildstorm Universe....and should also be ignored.
3. Posting the same scan twice doesn't make it more valid.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
(thor will not use his exotic powers simply because he is the type to go H2H)

Wrong. Adam Warlock is in charge of our team's strategy, and has access to everyone's powers/abilities via the soul-link in our prep, and the telepathic link between them. Thor will use every power at his disposal because the greatest tactical mind in all of Marvel will be giving him his orders.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
So are you truly under the impression that Adam warlock on a surfboard can take Bill and Atom at the same time?

You're basing this off of the idea that you're invisible/intangible (you aren't) and that you have the speed advantage on our team (you don't).

We are and always will be determinging matchups for this battle, because we're faster because of our boards and Juggs is too slow to help.

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The rest of MM's post is based off of his erroneous assumptions about the battle, so it's hard to comment without repeating the same things over again. So I won't belabor the point.

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And I browsed Souja's post, but he's still insisting that Thor feats are valid for Bill and that they can simply absorb all of our upgrades (power cosmic for Thor and boards for Thor and Warlock). Within the context of a heated fight, where we have the speed and skill advantage, they won't ever have the chance to absorb anything, let alone the armor and boards we're using.

And to make it seem like they can compete with us, they have basically been ignoring our upgrades and boards throughout the entire match. Other than the ridiculous "we absorb them" argument, they haven't acknowledged them at all. Once you do bring them into play, however, you can see that we hold nearly every advantage.

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Oh, and Warlock's still a telepath, Juggs is still vulnerable to tp, and they don't have a telepath. Hadn't mentioned that in a while.

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Digi i aprreciate the position your in but your the one ignoring the other teams points

1)It is not Bill who is turning our team invisible/intangible alright?it is Captain Atom

He can control density and Atoms
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?...atom54163ui.jpg

He can control light
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?...atom22198lp.jpg

So Atom turns us Untouchable and unseeable so judges we have not used a Thor feat OK!!!!

Next point of business.
2)Atom was not amped in that scan Digi at all.The void only became active in issue 9,that is from issue 1,OK?
How is him doing this to majestic

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/...on01pg202no.jpg

Any different from him doing this to hal jordan
http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomicsweekly630070fz.jpg

Or owning firestorm?
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom05200iy.jpg

Or pwning Maxima in one go?
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlav281090db.jpg

Or when he took on an alternate JLA like they were jokes
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlamericaannual1027ocdhorus0qu.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlamericaannual1028ocdhorus0vc.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlamericaannual1029ocdhorus6zl.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlamericaannual1030ocdhorus7ag.jpg

So it seems to me Atom is more then capable of putting thor in a hole.

Now as for your little Bill thor feats argument,It really doesn't matter as Bill has shown himself capable of the feats we have him performing
a)Teleportation,Bill has beenshown as capable of teleporting himself and others his teleportation abilities allowed him to enter Asgard when the rainbow bridge was shattered and allowed him entry when Ragnarok was occuring so HE CAN PORT!!!!
B)Hitting and Asorbing.

1.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0302js0.jpg
2.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0303zy2.jpg
3.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0304bf2.jpg
4.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...er030506vr2.jpg
5.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0307vk3.jpg
6.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0308io5.jpg
7.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0309dg2.jpg
8.http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...aker0310im9.jpg
9.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0311dg1.jpg
10.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0316zl8.jpg
11.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0317ze3.jpg
12.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0318bi5.jpg
13.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0320ry5.jpg
14.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...er032122qr6.jpg
15.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0323nq0.jpg
16.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0324mq5.jpg
17.http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...aker0325om4.jpg

So once again Their frail Thor Argument is of no consequence

As for that speed advantage,We covered that by placing you in a forcefield
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?...ohour1129re.jpg
So Bs about Warlocks speed advantage

Hey Digi Guess what?Your Psionic link will be up poocreek without a paddle,why?because Atom can Absorb Psionic enrgy and enter the Astral plane!!!
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom48082tt.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom48091js.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlquarterly13133li.jpg
Now he was holding out against a full on telepathic assault,so Warlocks little Mind-link will be nothing.
I would also like to bring up juggies force-field,tell me Digi how do they get past that? In a cramped space thor won't be Able to Effectively use his hammer nor will any other member off your team be in a position to help.

There you see?everything we do is legit and Digi/scoobs have been unable to actually Counter our Arguments but just tarnish their validity and everything we do is on the level,i don't have Atom remaking the universe,we don't have bill using thors feats and they have not provided a true counter,so judges plz don't penalise us based on a few unfounded calls of BS.

Soujaboy Post #5

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I will begin my post with observations of the debate, and will follow up with counter arguments and flaws in my opponents post, particularly Digi's fourth post.

1. My fourth post which is slightly above, was nearly completely and utterly ignored. This is most debates cases is because my opponents agree with the content of my case, or simply because they do not have the ability to counter my points.

2. In my fourth post I posted evidence regarding MM and I's claims that Bill has enough experience with Stormbreaker to complete the task asked of him in this battle. My post displays scans proving BRB's experience and intelligence, even scans of him coaching Alternate future Thor's on proper use of their hammers.

3. My opponents continue to claim that were using Thor feats to debate for BRB. Correction, we are using Mjolnir feats to display the capabilities and power of Stormbreaker. The hammers are one in the same, interchangeable, and BRB has displayed his experience and intelligence of his hammer before. Because of the above stated, there should be no reason why we can't use the capabilities of Mjolnir to display the capabilities of Stormbreaker.

4. My opponents believe that by having Surfer create boards that they now have the speed advantage. This may be true if it weren't for the speed restrictions. The rules of the tourney specifically state that characters may only operate at speeds under that of light. Considering two of their characters can operate at light speeds, the creation of the boards are useless. Not only that, but two of our characters also react and operate at light or near light speeds meaning that they should have no problems with speed in a tourney that restricts the operations at above light. Our third character Juggernaut, uses his shield that sucks the inertia of objects to deal with characters that have a speed advantage. Also, even if the boards were allowed the movement at above light speeds, the boards have only shown massive speed feats in travel in strait lines and in between planets. Unfortunately for my opponents the boards have never boosted Surfers combat speeds, meaning the boards will be useless in this battle.

However if my opponents believe these boards will somehow give them the advantage, in my forth post I went over how we could go about countering them.

5. My opponents have not only ignored my post, but also my partner and I's arguments. They have failed to counter many of my counter arguments, leaving them be I guess in hopes that they could slid by without anyone noticing. I noticed, and hopefully the judges have also.

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There is no problem using Mjolnir feats to prove the capabilities of Stormbreaker because they are exact replicas of one another. Just as one Gl ring can do the same as the next, Stormbreaker can do the same as Mjolnir.

Thor has never been shown to be a versatile character, however Mjolnir has. Mjolnir equals Stormbreaker, meaning Mjolnir's versatility equals Stormbreaker's versatility.

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Your post here is useless, considering MM has already countered your every point made. Take this as an example of how you've ignored our post.

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How will do you think Thor would be at taking orders, especially from a mortal? And before you say he's taken orders from Captain America before, Captain America is one of the few mortals Thor respects, stating he would travel to the gates of hell if Cap so wished it.

However most of, if not all of Thor's attacks will have no affect on Cain. Thor can do what he pleases, however it wont stop Cain from eventually getting to and defeating Thor.

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Again this post shows how you've ignored our post.

I've already covered the boards, in this post and my fourth. Again examples of how our post have been ignored.

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You browsed my post of nearly 10,000 characters, and a paragraph is all you have to post?

In my post I went in to detail of how we could reverse the process of the boards turning them back into energy, and then absorbing the remaining energy. Also, in this post I went over how your boards are useless.

I also went into detail how your upgrades can be reversed. I stated that through reverse energy polarities, we could reverse the cosmic energy that gave Thor his upgrade, and possibly the cosmic energy that gave Surfer his power.

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How are you going about taking Juggernaut's helmet off? I'll answer that for you, your not, especially with Cains shield constantly up.

In my fourth post I also posted how we went about how dealing with Warlock.

You guys really do need to work on your link linking, barely any work.

Yeah, you need to use the original url, if you just copy them from another post, KMC f*cks them up. It shortens the links.

I'd like to comment that everyone's been very professional and good about the post limit, and keeping "unofficial" posts to a minimum (except for random stuff and scans that aren't working).

This was a huge problem last summer for the team tourney I ran, but it's a lot smoother this time.

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A request: Souja/MM could you please quote the sections of Digi/Scoobs posts you're responding to, it just makes it easier to determine what's happening.

I second X's request.

Originally posted by Accel
I second X's request.

You're judging match number four. 😛

More's going on in this fight at the moment to keep me amused. Overall, it's just a pain having to keep looking back and forth to which staements are responding to which comments.

3rd post

Originally posted by Martian_mind
my god all they need to score a win over Adam is for Bill to surround them with a Forcefeild(Atom can reinforce it)http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zerohour1129re.jpg

If Bill knew how to do forcefields I'd bother countering that.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
it is well within Atoms Abilities to just sit there and release Omni-blasts
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03122kp.jpg

Not impressed .... nothing in that scan shows a level of destruction that would be enough to slow down any herald level character.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
or just blast the crap out of him
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom29196cp.jpg

Energy attacks that don't even kill humans ... not too useful.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
So space phantom returns

He's not going anywhere to return from.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Atom could turn Tangible and Rip open His containment suit.
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invasion03174ci.jpg
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invasion03251qr.jpg

Or we could do it for him and Thor could protect us with a shield that can stand up against a Null bomb (the kind of thing Bill wouldn't have a clue how to do)

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Originally posted by Soujaboy
It was actually rendering us invisible, but hey if there's a problem with that then this should suffice.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgoR22.jpg

Either way, our team has the element of surprise on our side.

He vanished... did he go invisible? did he teleport? did he time travel? that scan is fairly vague and proves nothing about making 3 separate people invisible

They have the element of surprise? only if you mean against each other as none of them seem to know what the other is doing.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Bill has more knowledge of the hammer then your giving him credit for. The scans below show Bill Stormbreaker's communication between itself and Bill, and it's tracking abilities. It also shows that Bill has an extreme experience with the hammer.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/track1ast0.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/track1bhu0.jpg

It shows that Bill can't time travel on his own power (or just doesn't know how to) ... Thor can and has ... several times.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I'm confused, because I'm positive it doesn't take thousands of years to learn how to create a shield?

Then it shouldn't be difficult for you to show Bill doing it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has more experience than Bill, thats great. Doesn't change the fact that Bill has experience with Stormbreaker, and should have no problem creating a shield.

Then why has he never done it before?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Based on the fact that Bill can twirl his hammer in a circle.

Worst logic ever.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I can't show Bill doing so just as you can't show Thor doing so. All I can give you is what Mjolnir has done, the duplicate hammer of Stormbreaker.

No, you're showing what Thor knows how to do ... Mjolnir has done nothing on it's own.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
However this most likely will not be necessary, especially considering the battle is taking place in a crater on the moon. Meaning Juggernauts leaping abilities should be proficient enough to get him around.

Yup... in fact one single leap should be proficient enough for him to leave the moon and never return.... great BFR strategy against your own team.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
8th day Juggernaut - it's Juggernaut that was focused and had Cyttorak in his mind.

It's Juggernaut being fed more power by Cyttorak ... The 8th day series mentioned that the reason he kept control of himself was because he never received the full power of Cyttorak ... in the series (after the Thor fight) he battles Cyttorak, regain control and goes back to normal levels.

Doesn't matter though ... he's too slow and either stuck on the ground or leaping himself into space.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I would also like to add that Superman is not on your team yet you had no problem posting scans showing him besting Captain Atom

Just putting all your universe destroying BS into perspective.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
It's a solid skin created from the power cosmic. The power cosmic when you break it down, equates to energy. Our team can manipulate and absorb energy.

Much Like Quasar (only not as good) and he was never able to absorb the skin or the board ... and neither was anyone else.... because it can't happen.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Our team = Master energy manipulators.

And our team is still better at it

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The scans below show Bill absorbing the energy from the living planet Ego. if Bill can easily absorb that energy form planetary size beings, than he should have no problem absorbing the cosmic energy boosting Thor, and the energy powering Surfer.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BillvsEgo4.jpg

Ego isn't an energy manipulator who can easily resist such tricks .. like Surfer.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor cannot, However Mjolnir can meaning Stormbreaker can.

Only if Bill knows how.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Bill may not have absorbed the energy, but he instead matched it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/BRBvsStardust4.jpg

He's doing nothing more than blocking it ... absorbing would have been smarter.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The power cosmic as a whole, as in the one ultimately controlled by Galactus > Atom. However the power cosmic wielded by Surfer is in no way greater than Atom's energy output.

Debatable ... however Surfer's control and absorption abilities >>> Atom.

Shouldn't take much from someone as powerful as Surfer to cause him to time jump.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Na it's not. If you attack Cain first(which your initial plan was to have Warlock take on Cain)

No it wasn't, go read it again.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Whats flying at light speed going to help in a battlefield thats less than a mile long?

The battlezone is the whole Moon ... the only distance mentioned was how far apart we start.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Bill is ready for attack from Thor. he has a shield that have taken universal null bombs

Bill also has the option of simply reversing the energy polarities that gave Thor the power cosmic.

When did Bill take a Null bomb?

Reversing Magnetic fields does not cancel out the power cosmic.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor may be faster in a strait line than he was before, but his reflexes will remain the same.

The power cosmic will enhance his reflexes

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor is the defenseless one here, he has no defense for the stored supercharged attack

Other than Mjolnir, which will absorb any energy attack and the Power Cosmic, which would do the same.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/SilverS17.jpg

Whats 10% of that armor going to help?

You're thinking too small, he starts at 10% of Surfer's power but, as we all know, Surfer can boost his power to undefined limits by absorbing energy ... Thor is doing this during prep and throughout the match

By the time he filters some of your energy attack into himself his power would have multiplied many times over.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
http://img274.echo.cx/my.php?image=captainatom54163ui.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom25040xw.jpg

In those scans he shows that he has excellent control of his own molecules to the point that he can stash objects inside himself(he pulls the photo out of himself)So it would seem as though it is quite easy to alter his own density and it in all probability would be a simple matter to do to bill(we won't bother with Juggs as his strength lies in his indestructible bulk)

It would "seem" as though? ...in "probability" .... 😬

Unless Cap Atom has altered others density in the past, then it appears that you're just making up powers now.

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To be continued.....

........Continued

4th post

Originally posted by Martian_mind
To actually camoflouging himself with it!! So what does this mean?that he can manipulate the light around himself and Bill so as to produce invisibility.

Irrelevant.

All our character can see through such cheap tricks. (pun intended 😛 )

Originally posted by Martian_mind
As for this little number advantage your assuming you have That doesnt Apply once Capt Atom has Smashed Thor into the ground

Make up your minds guys... first you had Bill fighting Thor, then said Juggy would crush him, now you're saying atom is after him ... 😐

Not important though, as Thor is faster than any of them and is going for Bill.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
don't believe what Scoob has said,the Void was only active in Capt During issue #9

The Void merged with him in issue #1 ... which changed his entire appearance.
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Originally posted by Soujaboy
In my fourth post I posted evidence regarding MM and I's claims that Bill has enough experience with Stormbreaker to complete the task asked of him in this battle. My post displays scans proving BRB's experience and intelligence, even scans of him coaching Alternate future Thor's on proper use of their hammers.

But you didn't post the part of Thor Corps where Bill has to call for Thor to help them then Thor shows them another Hammer trick that none of them knew about (including Bill)

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The hammers are one in the same, interchangeable

But the knowledge of the characters is not.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
My opponents believe that by having Surfer create boards that they now have the speed advantage.

two of our characters also react and operate at light or near light speeds meaning that they should have no problems with speed in a tourney that restricts the operations at above light.

We do have the advantage.

Not sure about atom, but Bill can fly at light speed and use the hammer for much else at the same time ... Thor can when he has his board.
and it probably saves Adam a bunch of energy as well.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
the boards have only shown massive speed feats in travel in strait lines and in between planets. Unfortunately for my opponents the boards have never boosted Surfers combat speeds, meaning the boards will be useless in this battle.

Circling and attacking at light-speed.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
There is no problem using Mjolnir feats to prove the capabilities of Stormbreaker

That's true ... and if Stormbreaker were in the hands of someone who knew how to perform those feats it may even have helped your case ... but it isn't.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has never been shown to be a versatile character, however Mjolnir has. Mjolnir equals Stormbreaker, meaning Mjolnir's versatility equals Stormbreaker's versatility.

Mjolnir = useless with no one to hold it .... there's no such thing as a Mjolnir feat, only a feat of the worthy wielder

Originally posted by Soujaboy
How will do you think Thor would be at taking orders, especially from a mortal? And before you say he's taken orders from Captain America before, Captain America is one of the few mortals Thor respects, stating he would travel to the gates of hell if Cap so wished it.

Thor is a smart guy and he's mind linked with Warlock, like Strange did, he would give Warlock his full trust.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
However most of, if not all of Thor's attacks will have no affect on Cain. Thor can do what he pleases, however it wont stop Cain from eventually getting to and defeating Thor.

Thor isn't going to be near Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
In my post I went in to detail of how we could reverse the process of the boards turning them back into energy, and then absorbing the remaining energy. Also, in this post I went over how your boards are useless.

Yeah ... that was total BS.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I also went into detail how your upgrades can be reversed. I stated that through reverse energy polarities, we could reverse the cosmic energy that gave Thor his upgrade, and possibly the cosmic energy that gave Surfer his power.

That was also BS.

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Well ... these last two posts were originally supposed to be only one post .... but it went to 15,000 characters so I had to split it.

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Might as well add some more stuff to get my "moneys worth" out of this then.

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Warlock is focusing mainly on Atom at the start, Thor is focusing on Bill and Phantom-Surfer is kinda taking shots at everyone.

As I posted earlier, Phantom will start by engaging Juggernaut from a distance ... Any leap/throw made by Juggernaut would be ludicrously easy to avoid, if he does jump then Phantom can shunt him off into space or blow a hole in the ground for him to land in .. which would then be covered with moon rock reduced to sand (extremely difficult to climb through)

If he doesn't jump then this can be done anyway by blasting away the ground under his feet.

With Juggy easily dealt with SP moves on to Atom .... rushing him with a few high impact blasts and bludgeons ... then Circle around and repeat ... then split off and hit Bill from behind, absorb his shields and transmute his armour, then back to Atom for another few hits, then back to Bill, etc, etc

Hit and run can't really be defended against without taking Focus off of Thor or Warlock ... if that happens then Bill and Atom would be pwned.
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If Juggy ever manages to dig his way out of the pit then it's highly likely his team will already be defeated.

If not then Phantom can just keep attacking him with massive energy blasts while Thor, unseen by Juggernaut, can perform this little trick:

And before Jugghead knows what's happening he'll be on a one way trip to the sun.

Of course this is just an alternate plan to whatever Digi is attempting with Warlock ..... it just depends on who is out of it first - Bill or atom.

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That covers most of it.

Here's another couple of examples of why a hit and run Surfer (Phantom) will be hard to stop and also why the addition of silver skin would be a huge boost to any character.

Neither of those events even fazed the Surfer, I highly doubt a distracted Atom or Bill is capable of even annoying him.

Digi's Post #5

I thought of something hilarious, and it happens to be horrible for you guys (Scoob mentioned it briefly, but it was my idea originally ( 😛 )):

A. We're on the Moon for this fight. To get Juggernaut involved in the battle at all they have him jumping up to hit us, which is only a minor annoyance anyway. But gravity barely exists on the Moon. Those super-jumps they show him doing, the ones he would need to touch us at all, will send him straight into space. Juggs is even more screwed than we normally suspected, and wouldn't play a factor in this fight. Now, more than ever, it's still a 3-on-2 for our team.

B. So now, with that in mind, here's what we're going to have Thor do as soon as Juggs tries to jump.

...Thor's anti-gravity particles added to the nigh-nonexistent gravity of the Moon, means Juggs will be hurtling helplessly in space, miles away from the fight, and with no means of returning.

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Of course, Warlock wil still telepathically shut him down once we've dealt with the other 2, but this just shows that he's even more of a non-factor than Scoob and I originally thought.

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So most of their links aren't working, but I'll try my best to respond to their posts.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
1)It is not Bill who is turning our team invisible/intangible alright?it is Captain Atom
He can control density and Atoms
http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?...atom54163ui.jpg
He can control light
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?...atom22198lp.jpg
So Atom turns us Untouchable and unseeable so judges we have not used a Thor feat OK!!!!

Hrm. Changing tactics now, are we? Yeah, they saw that the BRB-using-Mjolnir feats nonsense wasn't going to work, so now they're getting desperate. Atom did a few tricks with his body density, so they're trying to parlay that into full-fledged invisibility and intangibility. It doesn't quite work like that.

Atom's never shown the ability to affect anyone besides himself, and it's never actually been full invisibility/intangibility. So besides the fact that we wouldn't even be concerned with either or these things much, you're going to have to try again. I'm sure Juggernaut has an invisibility feat somewhere....

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Originally posted by Martian_mind
Any different from him doing this to hal jordan
http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomicsweekly630070fz.jpg

Actually, quite a bit different. Atom said himself that he had to hit Hal before he got full shields up. It was a cheap shot.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
So it seems to me Atom is more then capable of putting thor in a hole.

...and it seems to me that Atom was never fighting Thor in the first place. You guys are down a man to begin with, and our team is fully capable of shields, teleporting, etc. We also have the speed advantage due to our boards. You'll never have the opportunity to even begin your "put Thor in a hole" plan....not that it would work anyway, but it's a moot point.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
As for that speed advantage,We covered that by placing you in a forcefield
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?...ohour1129re.jpg
So Bs about Warlocks speed advantage

Warlock can teleport. So wtf is a forcefield supposed to accomplish?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Hey Digi Guess what?Your Psionic link will be up poocreek without a paddle,why?because Atom can Absorb Psionic enrgy and enter the Astral plane!!!
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom48082tt.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captatom48091js.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlquarterly13133li.jpg
Now he was holding out against a full on telepathic assault,so Warlocks little Mind-link will be nothing.

Actually, this is one of your biggest stretches yet. I'm not aiming any telepathic energy at Atom. And he can't just absorb it out of Warlock. You'd only be able to use this argument if we were attacking you telepathically, which we aren't.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
[B]1. My fourth post which is slightly above, was nearly completely and utterly ignored. This is most debates cases is because my opponents agree with the content of my case, or simply because they do not have the ability to counter my points.[/B]

Don't flatter yourself. It was just because I couldn't narrow down all the bogus arguments I wanted to ruin.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
[B]2. In my fourth post I posted evidence regarding MM and I's claims that Bill has enough experience with Stormbreaker to complete the task asked of him in this battle. My post displays scans proving BRB's experience and intelligence, even scans of him coaching Alternate future Thor's on proper use of their hammers.[/B]

So still no 616 evidence of him doing nearly as much stuff as Thor? Cool, just checking.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
[B]3. My opponents continue to claim that were using Thor feats to debate for BRB. Correction, we are using Mjolnir feats to display the capabilities and power of Stormbreaker. The hammers are one in the same, interchangeable, and BRB has displayed his experience and intelligence of his hammer before. Because of the above stated, there should be no reason why we can't use the capabilities of Mjolnir to display the capabilities of Stormbreaker. [/B]

I think everyone knows my feelings on this. The hammer is only as good and versatile as the person wielding it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
[B]4. My opponents believe that by having Surfer create boards that they now have the speed advantage. This may be true if it weren't for the speed restrictions. The rules of the tourney specifically state that characters may only operate at speeds under that of light. Considering two of their characters can operate at light speeds, the creation of the boards are useless. [/B]

Juggs and Bill are well below the speed limit for the tourney, so I don't see how the boards don't give us a speed edge. It's also another weapon to use, as I demonstrated with Warlock (in my 1st post)...so it would be the equivalent of two people attacking you for every person we have.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has never been shown to be a versatile character, however Mjolnir has. Mjolnir equals Stormbreaker, meaning Mjolnir's versatility equals Stormbreaker's versatility.

Please stop pretending it's just the hammer performing stuff. 🙄

Originally posted by Soujaboy
How will do you think Thor would be at taking orders, especially from a mortal? And before you say he's taken orders from Captain America before, Captain America is one of the few mortals Thor respects, stating he would travel to the gates of hell if Cap so wished it.

Actually, Cap's a great example. But through the soul-link at the beginning of the battle, Thor will realize Warlock's vast strategic intelligence. Dr. Strange did, Surfer did, Masterson Thor did...and Warlock's not a bad guy. There's no good reason why Thor wouldn't defer to someone who's obviously more prepared than him to lead the battle.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
However most of, if not all of Thor's attacks will have no affect on Cain. Thor can do what he pleases, however it wont stop Cain from eventually getting to and defeating Thor..

...cept Thor isn't fighting Cain, except to aid his trip to space with some anti-gravity particles.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
You browsed my post of nearly 10,000 characters, and a paragraph is all you have to post?

See, here I feel like explaining this in a non-battle context. We have post limits (10 posts total, 10,000 characters per post), and I have to pick and choose whatto respond to. I'm trying to alternate between responding to MM and yourself. So don't feel slighted, but also don't try to make it seem like I didn't respond because I don't have counter-arguments. Neither is true. It's just the nature of debating in tourneys.

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Anyway, that's all for now. 🙂

Um, since no one else has posted since yesterday I was kinda planning on taking the day off from debating.

But at this point I think a lot of points have been made. I'd like to know, from judges mostly, but others as well if they're interested, if there's any questions you want answered or concerns you want addressed. It can be from either team.

Because I'd like to gear my final posts toward shoring up any problems or questions people might have, and also summarizing my main points.