Alrighty first i would like to say this has been great fun and good luck to Digi/Scoobs
Now as Souja and i have proven it would seem that Space Phantom could under no conditions copy or mimic surfer and that if he tried he would be sent back to limbo rendering him useless.Even if he is not sent to limbo there is no proof that he can shapeshift into someone he has not met,meaning one Omni-blast from Atom
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extremejustice03122kp.jpg
So now we have the numbers Advantage over their team who for some foolish reason have weakened themeselves with a soul-link.
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=soullink2ci2.jpg
Without surfers cosmic powers it would seem that Thor is not Amped nor is warlock(infact they're weakened)meaning that Bill amped by his heat armour would have the immediate advantage over Thor.
Now we have the Juggernaut.Throughout this battle they have had you believe that their speed advantage made him useless well they no longer have that luxury.Warlock and thor will now be engaged in battle with Capt Atom and Bill meaning they are in no position to dodge Juggy who can abuse thor or aid Atom (Digi has always seemed to doubt juggs could touch him however Eyes in the back of his head are not one of Adams powers)Regardless Whomever Juggy aids will inevitably take the win in their matchup leaving the last one as Cleanup.
In Closing
1)Space phantom is rendered entirely useless due to their own strategy
2)they weaken their own characters Via a Soul-link that has Dazing effects on anyone.
3)We now have the numbers advantage over them and every conceivable advantage
4)this has been very fun and i wish good luck to all
5)we kickass
6)no one likes hugh Jackman
Heres warlock Soul-linking with surfer in soul world
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toll9fa.jpg
and here he is talking how his abilities are amped in soul world
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Originally posted by Soujaboy
I assume since Digi and Scoob stated they were done posting, that are match is now ready to be judged.
I stated I was PROBABLY done. Don't try to call the match when you think you have an upper hand. I still have 40 minutes by my watch.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Heres warlock Soul-linking with surfer in soul world
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toll9fa.jpgand here he is talking how his abilities are amped in soul world
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greaterpower1uu.jpg
Doesn't matter. He's soul-linked with others outside of soul world. It's a moot point....like the Dr. Strange link in our write-up, which apparently you didn't read. It was outside Soul World and without the gem. He has that power anywhere.
Look guys, I alreayd made my point. I posted the bio that proves that the only reason he couldn't copy Thor was because of the magic. Otherwise he could have, so this power level is easily within his power. And everything we've done is backed by credible bios or full-proof scans. They're trying to make you believe that SP doesn't have the exact powers he's supposed to have.
So you can believe whatever you want: A last-ditch desperation attempt to cast doubt on our plan, using nothing more than their own flawed logic. Or our plan, which is backed every step of the way by credible evidence, and has no real flaws in it except the false ones MM and Souja would have you see.
...this was an insane day, and I have to leave again, so I can't type more. So I guess that's my last post for this match. Nice match guys.
"There is no proof supporting your claims that without magic he could have mimicked Thor. Your bio's also didn't prove anything, only made assumptions. We could just as easily assume that the reason Space Phantom couldn't mimic Thor's power is because he isn't powerful enough. That would also explain why he couldn't mimic Captain mar-Vell's power neither.
Digi you have come to this battle with no proof supporting any claims that you've made about Space Phantom.
You stated he could mimic anyones power as long as he knew of their existence, yet you had no proof.
You claimed he had the power to mimic Surfer, yet he's never once mimicked anyones power over mid tier(Hulk). Again you came with no proof.
You've based this entire battle off speculations and no proof, no proof = no argument.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Space Phantom in his short history have never mimicked a character whom he hadn't came in contact with
Yes he has.
Go check out "beyond" ... he becomes quite a few characters in that who he has never met before.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Space Phantom's failed both times he attempted to mimic characters with incredible power. One being Thor, and the other being Mar-Vell. This leads me to believe that Space Phantom does not posses to necessary power to duplicate herald lv characters.
Nope.
He couldn't copy thor because of magical enchantments and he couldn't copy Rick Jones because he was linked to Mar-Vell ... which meant he was trying to copy two characters at once.
You're grasping at straws.
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And you guys don't seriously believe that reversing a magnetic polarity is anything remotely like cancelling out the power cosmic?
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Originally posted by Scoobless
Yes he has.Go check out "beyond" ... he becomes quite a few characters in that who he has never met before.
Nope.
He couldn't copy thor because of magical enchantments and he couldn't copy Rick Jones because he was linked to Mar-Vell ... which meant he was trying to copy two characters at once.
You're grasping at straws.
The match is over Scoobs. 😐
Alright, I hating voting first, but perhaps I'll get lucky, and while I'm typing this, someone will come in and vote under me.
🙂.
Teams:
So, we have Digi and Scoob representing Adam Warlock, the Space Phantom, and Thor.
versus
Souja and MartianMind repping the Juggernaut, Beta Ray Bill, and Captain Atom.
I'm kind of liking Souja's team better. I mean Space Phantom? Who the hell is that? Adam Warlock? He isn't even midtier without the soul gem! 😛.
Just kidding Digi, don't ban me.
Regardless, my first impression of the teams matters little. I knew how Digi and Scoob operated, and knew they'd have something quite impressive planned.
I was right.
Prep:
Soul Link! Genius. When I first read that, I knew I was going to be in for a treat. All of Digi's team would have the experience, fighting ability, and knowledge of Doc Strange, Thor, Masterson Thor, and the Silver Surfer. That is Eon's of experience, added in a flash. That alone would be great, but when they have the space phantom take the form of the Surfer, he already has all of Surfer's knowledge and experience in ADDITION to his power.
And let me address that, now, my opinion on the 'controversial' topic brought up near the end of the match. It really does seem as if digi and scoob have defending their strategy. There seems to be no reason that the space phantom couldn't take the form of the surfer. If it's because he taps into a well of infinite energies...well..hasn't the Phantom taken the form of the Hulk?
I'm not saying that the Hulk and Surfer are comparable, but hasn't it been said that the Hulk draws his strength from an infinite interdimensional source?
Meh. As far as space phantom goes, I think that Souja and Martian Mind wasted a few posts near the end trying to argue against it. Maybe I'm the one who is mistaken, though, I dunno.
Anyways, moving on.
Thor and Warlock now both have the durablility of the Surfer added to their own. Not to mention his ability to call on additional Strength. This compounded with Adam and Strange's martial arts abilities, and the INSANE mobility the Surfer has on his board (dodging meteorstorms at lightspeed?) make Digi's team a force to be reckoned with, even on the physical playing field.
Now, Souja's and MM's opening strategy:
Not nearly as complex or intertwined as Digi's and Scoobs, but effective nonetheless. Except for the fact that it even STARTS with Bill using a couple Thor feats - a subject of some contention for this match.
Anyways, the fact that they leave Juggernaut more or less unprotected and unamped put them at a distinct disadvantage. As I mentioned before, the Surfer dodges meteors at speeds faster than C. The Juggernaut's going to jump at him? 🤨
The Juggernaut isn't a bad pick! Not at all! Properly melded and amped, he is INCREDIBLE in tourney's like these. But When used as EXACTLY what he is - a brick - well...that's like picking the Hulk for one of these Herald level tourneys. Non sensical.
Battle:
It seems for the first half of the match, Digi and Scoob had Souja and MM on the run. On the defensive. The debate was theirs to control and lead.
The second half, this momentum faltered a bit, and even completely REVERSED once Digi and Scoob had to start defending their initial picks, even.
Mobility definitely goes to Digi's team. Souja's idea of reversing polarities on the power cosmic was creative, but inaccurate. Reversing magetic polarities is hardly the same thing as making energy disappear or reverse its effects.
Meh, I could go on, analyzing the battle post by post, but I'm not dedicated enough, and I doubt anyone cares enough for me to actually do that. **** it.
Vote
The only part anyone gives a flying **** about. The part most people probably scrolled/skipped down to.
So, first, I would like to wish both teams good luck, and congratulate both on a job well done. Both debated quite well. Surprisingly well, in Martian's case, as he is a bit new to the tourney scene.
Good job, guys!
However, my vote, for a combination of beautiful prep and great strategization, is going to have to go to.....
Digi/Scoob
Good job guys. You really impressed me.
My analysis isn't going to be nearly as thorough as Soljer's, although he's covered a lot of the reasoning behind my vote.
Firstly, with regard to the eleventh hour attempt to discredit the very opening strategy of creating Space Phantom Surfer (SPS), it might have worked had it not been an eleventh hour attempt. Digi/Scoobs put forward a clear and convincing reasoning why they believed they could use an SPS in their opening strategy. And throughout the battle until the very last moment MM and Souja, themselves, have been arguing under the premise that they were fighting SPS.
Secondly, with regard to Juggernaut, a major flaw in his use to me was using him purely as the Juggernaut. A brick. A brick without flight, speed or energy projection in a herald level tourney is basically a liability. I can't imagine a Juggernaut leaping around in the Moon's weak gravity to serve any real purpose other than as an annoyance.
Thirdly, it seemed to me that MM and Souja were wasting a lot of effort pursuing several points that weren't solidly backed, for a few examples attempting to absorb SPS and Thor's surfboards (afaik the Surfer's board is composed of the same incredibly durable substance as the Surfer, and isn't an energy construct) or reversing polarities in order to reverse power transference that happened during prep.
While I believe both teams made a valiant effort and put forward some creative arguments, in terms of preparation and strategy my overall impression was that Digi and Scoobs put forward a more convincing and cohesive strategy to win, and made the more creative and effective use of the characters at their disposal.
So, while I congratulate Soujaboy and Martian_mind on an excellent effort, my vote goes to DigiMark007 and Scoobless.
I'll be expecting a letterbomb and a signed blank cheque in my mail box from the teams respectively.
My vote is on Digi/Scoobless
The choose of the characters was wise since all of them were pretty versatile.
They had great tactics for instance the soul and telepathic links between their team members giving them the experience of the characters also giving Surfer's powers to the characters giving them some advantage against the other team.
I also liked that they were able to encounter every "attack" that Souja and MM brought up against them IMO you guys could use more scans to back up those "counter attacks" but maybe it's just me who thinks this.
As for the other team the Juggernaut tactics weren't really useful sorry to say this but Juggernaut is pretty much useless till someone engages him in a physical battle which won't really be happening since all of the other team members had speed and flight advantage against him also Juggernaut channeling electricity sounds pretty unbelievable since he was never shown to do anything like that.
Well I have to admit that this was the most impressive match I have seen in the current tourney.
Anyway good job both of you. 🙂
