Originally posted by Stoic
We both know who wins this.
The lowball master has shown back up. I have a thread on the way just for me and you. 3 voters are already established. Damborgson debate more against ABHI than anyone and since then, I haven't seen him online much. Don't point out someone unless you take a look at yourself.
Originally posted by Damborgson
It's not even this so much, this thread has some examples of course but its all around. I'd do it more if there were official scores kept or something lol. But free for all debating, not anymore.
Well that's when you have to make your own scorecard. This should include relevant feats based on what is considered forum canon, power set, power disparity if any, characters willingness to hold back or go berserk, weaknesses, vulnerabilities if any, speed, agility, combat expertise, and general averages based on win percentages vs losses.
Originally posted by carver9
The lowball master has shown back up. I have a thread on the way just for me and you. 3 voters are already established. Damborgson debate more against ABHI than anyone and since then, I haven't seen him online much. Don't point out someone unless you take a look at yourself.
Dude take the butthurt somewhere else. You, and several others (if that) believe that the Hulk wins, and several others including myself do not.
Originally posted by Stoic
Dude take the butthurt somewhere else. You, and several others (if that) believe that the Hulk wins, and several others including myself do not.
Butthurt has nothing to do with this. You go in all of these Hulk threads claiming things. I want you to back up your claim. So I asked three people to judge our comments. I am about to make a thread. Copy what you posted about Hulk's strength, him not starting at a certain level, and I will post my response. Judges will solve this.
Originally posted by carver9
Butthurt has nothing to do with this. You go in all of these Hulk threads claiming things. I want you to back up your claim. So I asked three people to judge our comments. I am about to make a thread. Copy what you posted about Hulk's strength, him not starting at a certain level, and I will post my response. Judges will solve this.
First of all don't accuse me of low balling when I told you that doing so was not the intent. Power set is not the end all and be all, but it must be acknowledged. This is what i was doing, If you are unable to admit that a character has a certain power when they have been written to have these powers from inception, I have very little to debate with you.
The Hulk (most versions) becomes stronger with excitement or rage. This is something that has always defined him. You believe that he begins off at High herald, while I do not, I believe that there may be some very rare occasions that he begins at this level, but on average I do not.
The logic behind my thinking this is sound as far as I am concerned. For one, If he began off at the High herald level in terms of strength, it does not make any sense for him to have ever been troubled by guys that had mid - high herald strength. Why? Because if this were so, and he continues to grow in strength, that means that he would dwarf the character with mid - high herald strength in mere moments. This as you know is mainly due to how his powers work. This is not what has happened more times than not, and since we go by averages around here, and not by the few and far between times that he may have one shot dealt with mid - high heralds I fail to see how my logic is faulty. That is not low balling, it is citing the limitations that all characters have. Ignore what I just wrote if you want to. It won't change the way that I'm thinking concerning the Hulk.
If you want judges, get them to examine this thread, and what I just stated.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Hulk has fought Thor many times with weapons and beat him down. BRB here is almost a non factor and I feel he will basically get one shotted, and if not one shotted, he will go down quickly. Hulk's anger will outmatch Thor's warrior madness over time. And I don't see any other way around it.
Have you read Storbreaker? Read it, and then tell me if you still believe that Bill gets one shot KO'd. A furious Bill can keep up with Thor.
Originally posted by Stoic
First of all don't accuse me of low balling when I told you that doing so was not the intent. Power set is not the end all and be all, but it must be acknowledged. This is what i was doing, If you are unable to admit that a character has a certain power when they have been written to have these powers from inception, I have very little to debate with you.The Hulk (most versions) becomes stronger with excitement or rage. This is something that has always defined him. You believe that he begins off at High herald, while I do not, I believe that there may be some very rare occasions that he begins at this level, but on average I do not.
The logic behind my thinking this is sound as far as I am concerned. For one, If he began off at the High herald level in terms of strength, it does not make any sense for him to have ever been troubled by guys that had mid - high herald strength. Why? Because if this were so, and he continues to grow in strength, that means that he would dwarf the character with mid - high herald strength in mere moments. This as you know is mainly due to how his powers work. This is not what has happened more times than not, and since we go by averages around here, and not by the few and far between times that he may have one shot dealt with mid - high heralds I fail to see how my logic is faulty. That is not low balling, it is citing the limitations that all characters have. Ignore what I just wrote if you want to. It won't change the way that I'm thinking concerning the Hulk.
If you want judges, get them to examine this thread, and what I just stated.
Don't make sense. Kurse have trouble against Thor and he is 4 times stronger than him. An enraged Thor beat the breaks off of Mangog to the point that he knocked his horn off and Mangog is an Odin level threat. Surfer took on two Galactus level foes and withstood their blows and then won the fight. Guess what we call that? Damage soak. Superman just took on a guy that he admitted was far more powerful than him in every aspect and withstood a beating enough to win the fight. Guess what that is called, damage soak and durability. Just because Hulk is stronger than someone doesn't mean he is one shotting them. Especially someone with Thor durability. You would know these things if you actually thought about it but you're too worried on lowballing a character without providing a single shed of proof. With that said, since Thor withstood a beating from Kurse, that means Kurse doesn't have High Herald strength. Good logic there Stoic. You're the best.
Originally posted by carver9
Don't make sense. Kurse have trouble against Thor and he is 4 times stronger than him. An enraged Thor beat the breaks off of Mangog to the point that he knocked his horn off and Mangog is an Odin level threat. Surfer took on two Galactus level foes and withstood their blows and then won the fight. Guess what we call that? Damage soak. Superman just took on a guy that he admitted was far more powerful than him in every aspect and withstood a beating enough to win the fight. Guess what that is called, damage soak and durability. Just because Hulk is stronger than someone doesn't mean he is one shotting them. Especially someone with Thor durability. You would know these things if you actually thought about it but you're too worried on lowballing a character without providing a single shed of proof. With that said, since Thor withstood a beating from Kurse, that means Kurse doesn't have High Herald strength. Good logic there Stoic. You're the best.
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