Beta Ray Bill and Thor (Weaponless) versus Hulk

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Hulk has fought Thor many times with weapons and beat him down. BRB here is almost a non factor and I feel he will basically get one shotted, and if not one shotted, he will go down quickly. Hulk's anger will outmatch Thor's warrior madness over time. And I don't see any other way around it.

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You're the best.

I wouldn't go that far as saying BRB is a non factor, both can get some wins. Thing is, CIS is still on for this characters and thor almost always try to slug it out with the hulk and that won't do any good.

In regards to Bill he can hold his own for a while but goes down like a warrior as well.

Thor vs Kurse.

It even states Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor in thus fight and Thor not only withstands a beating from him, he stalemates him in a contest of strength.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse05486.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse06.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse07.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse08488.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse09.jpg.html

This goes against Stoic entire argument. Wait, Kurse is low Herald in strength (lol).

Not to mention his Kurse armor is vastly superior in every way, and Thor still pulled off a stalemate.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Not to mention his Kurse armor is vastly superior in every way, and Thor still pulled off a stalemate.

Sure did but per Stoic, if someone is far stronger, they should get taken out quickly which goes against durability and damage soak.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor vs Kurse.

It even states Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor in thus fight and Thor not only withstands a beating from him, he stalemates him in a contest of strength.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse05486.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse06.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse07.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse08488.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse09.jpg.html

This goes against Stoic entire argument. Wait, Kurse is low Herald in strength (lol).

Why in the world would you use this example in an attempt to strengthen your opinion? Thor is a far better fighter than the Hulk in terms of pure martial skill. There are more things to take into consideration than going in and slugging it out with an overpowering force. However in the Hulk's case this is what he would do, and in doing he would be taken out early on in the match before he was able to gain enough strength to become too great of a threat for the two of these guys, who are the protectors of their respective races.

You're also leaving out the fact that they both know about the Hulk's power set. Do you really think that they're going to go easy on him like a bunch of lunk heads? No! They're going to take the fight to him as ferociously as they can to end it. it isn't out of character for either of them to go killer instinct on an opponent. Bill is just prone to lose it a little quicker than Thor is. What? Are you suggesting that they stand there and wait for him to ramp up knowing what type of a threat he is when this happens?

I said this before, and I will say it again. If they act stupid, and sit there waiting for him to multiply in strength, they get beaten. If they go in with charged fists, and hit him with everything that they have they win this in the first 2 minutes in. Why pretend like the Hulk has never been KO'd before?

Originally posted by carver9
Sure did but per Stoic, if someone is far stronger, they should get taken out quickly which goes against durability and damage soak.

Explain this statement so that I can understand the full weight of it.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Not to mention his Kurse armor is vastly superior in every way, and Thor still pulled off a stalemate.

Being a better fighter can do that for him, and many other characters. Should I begin a list? This is something that you should know.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why in the world would you use this example in an attempt to strengthen your opinion? Thor is a far better fighter than the Hulk in terms of pure martial skill. There are more things to take into consideration than going in and slugging it out with an overpowering force. However in the Hulk's case this is what he would do, and in doing he would be taken out early on in the match before he was able to gain enough strength to become too great of a threat for the two of these guys, who are the protectors of their respective races.

You're also leaving out the fact that they both know about the Hulk's power set. Do you really think that they're going to go easy on him like a bunch of lunk heads? No! They're going to take the fight to him as ferociously as they can to end it. it isn't out of character for either of them to go killer instinct on an opponent. Bill is just prone to lose it a little quicker than Thor is. What? Are you suggesting that they stand there and wait for him to ramp up knowing what type of a threat he is when this happens?

I said this before, and I will say it again. If they act stupid, and sit there waiting for him to multiply in strength, they get beaten. If they go in with charged fists, and hit him with everything that they have they win this in the first 2 minutes in. Why pretend like the Hulk has never been KO'd before?

Explain this statement so that I can understand the full weight of it.

Hulk starts off at high Herald per the scans I presented and shown you that you tend to ignore. He has High Herald fts at a calm state and you have as of yet to provide an instance of a calm Hulk failing to do something physically that a High Herald can do. Hell, on average, a calm Hulk has better lifting fts than Bill, someone you consider as a High Herald physically (that doesn't have a single ft outside of his hammer proving this). The only thing you are doing is ignoring evidence and like I said before, I've found 3 voters and I am about to post our argument in a thread to get their opinions. The people that decided to vote is Darksaint, Bently, and Riv.

Now I am going to ask this again, and if you don't provide proof, I'm making the thread, what showings of Hulk put his base/calm level below High Herald? Also, you said it takes minutes for him to ramp up his Strength when it has been stated on panel that it takes him seconds. Where did you get the idea that it takes 5 minutes for Hulk's strength to increase?

Originally posted by Stoic
Being a better fighter can do that for him, and many other characters. Should I begin a list? This is something that you should know.

Being a better fighter? 😂

Now you're changing your argument. Kurse was able to get multiple hits off of Thor and Thor was still able to stand. Not only that, Thor stalemated him in a contest of strength.

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You're terrible.

Scans of Kurse getting in some licks.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse07.jpg.html

Heavy licks and Thor is still ok. Per Stoic, if someone is stronger, they should be able to take the other person out from the onset of the battle, no matter the durability.

Originally posted by Stoic
Being a better fighter can do that for him, and many other characters. Should I begin a list? This is something that you should know.

No reason to get hussy with me

I agree with Carver that Hulk loses.

Originally posted by carver9
Question...

How did Zeus know Hulk healing factor and strength was gone? How did he know it would take month for his powers to return? How did he know his depleted healing factor would only keep him alive to survive the Vulture but not to the point of replenishing his power?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/5863252/Incredible_Hulks_622_018.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/5863253/Incredible_Hulks_622_019.jpg.html

Always wanted to know this.

Originally posted by carver9
Zeus can basically do anything from what I've seen

You're so wise, carver.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
lol the Godhunter arc says you have no clue what you are talking about BRB

Originally posted by Insane Titan
I agree with Carver that Hulk loses against King Hyperion.

Originally posted by Stoic
He can also be KO'd. Let's not pretend that he is above being KO'd. He isn't. They take the vast majority.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
I'd say its unfair to throw out toher feats from Spidey. He has nearly killed Firelord, literally beaten the Carnage symbiote off of Carnage Cosmic Silver Sufer, and on another occasion made Surfer beg for mercy. Surfer even once said when he was fighting Spider Man he was fighting for his life. Beaten Thanos and an Infinit Gauntlet user as well. Will post more feats when I find them

Originally posted by Reflassshh
I wouldn't go that far as saying BRB is a non factor, both can get some wins.

Team wrecks..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Team wrecks..