Originally posted by roughrider
Heck, even though he wins their fights by the end, Hulk has his hands full one-on-one with the Thing. I don't think Ben even registers as a serious opponent for Thor. And Hulk goes against two of him and wins?
Don't see it.
Thing gets the crap beaten out of him. I wouldn't call that jobbing. Wolverine mainly just gets hit and then gets back up, which is within his abilities to so. The only times I think Hulk ever really jobbed to Wolverine were when he was stabbed by Death and at his mercy and when he was knocked out by an avalanche that failed to knock out Wolverine.
Thor only jobs in the sense he never uses his versatility. H2H with Hulk, however, it's pretty accurate.
Originally posted by roughrider
And then Marvel clouds it further by having Thor be distracted by civilians in danger, which Hulk takes advantage of.
Originally posted by Accel
Which has happened like what, 2, 3 times out of about ten fights? There's still the fight where Thor was in Warrior Madness mode or close to it and Hulk STILL held him at bay.
He wasn't in full WM yet, and the Hulk was turning into the Maestro. That explosion ended the fight before it went any further.
Originally posted by Accel
Doc Samson only knocked Hulk out when Hulk thought he was an illusion and didn't even want to fight him. He was as calm as possible. Namor has only managed to knock Hulk out underwater. Much more recently, after Hulk adapted underwater, Namor couldn't repeat the same feat. And Abomination hasn't had a victory since his first fight with Hulk. Hulk's practically beaten the guy to death on more than occasion.If BRB acts more aggressive to Hulk in this fight, Hulk will just respond by getting angrier, stronger, blah, blah, blah.
co-signed
Originally posted by roughrider
Heck, even though he wins their fights by the end, Hulk has his hands full one-on-one with the Thing. I don't think Ben even registers as a serious opponent for Thor. And Hulk goes against two of him and wins?
Don't see it.
in their last encounter the mad hulk one-shotted the poor Thing, almost killing him
i said: 1 blow
Originally posted by roughrider
He wasn't in full WM yet, and the Hulk was turning into the Maestro. That explosion ended the fight before it went any further.
He was,
(read again that issue)
Just for the record : Blood and Thunders = no warrior madness
TIH #440 (Full Warrior Madness)
this issue marks the ultimate proof that Hulk is superior to Thor. Thor was in full on Warrior’s Madness and Hulk was handling his own. Talbot thought that they were both savage, but Hulk had the where with all to recognize that they were bombing him and even managed to save Thor’s life… who came right out and admitted he was just trying to kill the Hulk.
Originally posted by FearOfBloodthere are two thors instead of one hulk can deal with one weaponless thor with not much trouble but TWO? i'll answer my own question. NO WAY IN VALHALLA! 😛
He was,(read again that issue)
Just for the record : Blood and Thunders = no warrior madness
TIH #440 (Full Warrior Madness)
this issue marks the ultimate proof that Hulk is superior to Thor. Thor was in full on Warrior’s Madness and Hulk was handling his own.
Originally posted by Accel
What, that Hulk won’t be knocked easily in the beginning? You’ve said the exact opposite of that.I said he wasn’t [b]that
mad. You throw out “enraged” like he was in “Hulk smash!” mode or something.Oi vey…
We’ve gone over this. Thor has no strength advantage. At all.
He’s not even that much faster, if at all. He’s not dodging Hulk’s attacks the majority of the time, if at all.
And his skill level is that of a brawler.
NONE of that gives him the victory over Hulk and NONE of that indicates jobbing.
Good lord, they’ve been stalemating since day one, even when neither one was that popular.
Who knows? Thor's hammer does appear in Future Imperfect, which strongly implies Thor's not alive any more in that timeline.
No, it doesn't. They've been stalemating each other since day one. Fans love fights between these two too much for a decisive winner, which is why Hulk just suddenyl stopped getting stronger when he stalemated Thor for an hour.
So every time Hulk doesn’t lose or die, it’s because he’s too popular? That’s some of the worst logic I’ve heard yet.
Yes, they do. Especially if you go by average, Thor’s durability isn’t that hot. [/B]
Now Hulk won't be ko'd in the beginning? So characters who are far less powerful have been able to ko Hulk but BRB and Thor who's lv is far superior to Hulks can't manage the same? What is it Rhino, Namor, Spider man, Doc Sampson, Abomination, etc have that Thor and BRB don't? The above characters mentioned have done just fine with ko'ing Hulk, it's amazing to me that you believe that two far superior characters can't easily do the same.
So how mad does Hulk have to be before he stop's getting ko'd?
A single Thor does have the strength advantage(at the beginning of that match up) as you've admitted to earlier, and two is massive over kill. It's also funny considering Hulk has never shown displays of strength greater than what Thor has shown. Speculating that Hulk will be able to match both BRB and Thor's strength in the waking moments of this fight is ridiculous.
Actually Thor is much faster than Hulk. Thor has great speed feats, such as blocking bullets by quickly raising his arm. Thor has also been shown running at speeds that makes him invisible to the human eye, and keeping up with Hermes the good of speed. Thor has at the very least half light speed reaction times seeing as how he's able to navigate while moving at 3x the speed of light. Thor actually fights Thalif at super speeds in Thor v2, and runs the length of new York in a heart beat. On more than one occasion Thor has also been stated as being as quick as lightning, something I've never seen Hulk compared to.
In other words Thor and BRB's speed >>>>>>> Hulk's speed
So now your disregarding Thor's skill? I guess thousands upon thousands of years of warrior training means nothing in this battle? Thor's been trained in the art of war for ages, Hulk's been trained in the art of Hulk smash.
Thor and BRB's skill >>>>>>>> Hulk
How does the Thing tend to hang with Hulk? skill. Skill matters in fights, whether you would like to believe it or not.
In their recent fight they didn't stalemate, Hulk died.
Grasping for straws? Thor's shown having the ability to kill Hulk, the same can't be said the other way around.
Or why Thor's never shown implementing skill in his battles with Hulk. I guess that's also why Thor has easily bested characters who are stronger than Hulk, but seems to be pushed to the limit when fighting Hulk.
The Hulk doesn't die in most of his fights because of his popularity, period. It's the same reason Spider Man, Wolverine, and Cap haven't died and stayed dead. I mean really, where would marvel be without the Hulk?
Every time Hulk doesn't die to character he's supposed to die to it's because of his popularity. It's the same thing with Wolverine, Spider Man, and Captain America.
If you go by Thor's highest durability feats, outside Avengers comics, then his durability is far greater than Hulk's.
The duo 10/10
Originally posted by FearOfBlood
in their last encounter the mad hulk one-shotted the poor Thing, almost killing himi said: 1 blow
So one fight contradicts 40 years of comic history?
Marvel would always promote these like heavyweight fights on the horizon - the recent Hulk/Thing mini HARD KNOCKS shows they are constantly matched opponents, despite Hulk being superior on paper. If it was that one-sided constantly, Marvel would look silly promoting it all the time.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Now Hulk won't be ko'd in the beginning? So characters who are far less powerful have been able to ko Hulk but BRB and Thor who's lv is far superior to Hulks can't manage the same? What is it Rhino, Namor, Spider man, Doc Sampson, Abomination, etc have that Thor and BRB don't? The above characters mentioned have done just fine with ko'ing Hulk, it's amazing to me that you believe that two far superior characters can't easily do the same.
Rhino has NEVER knocked Hulk out.
Doc Samson has only knocked Hulk when he DIDN’T WANT TO FIGHT. I mean he was COMPLETELY calm. He’s not calm at all in this fight.
Only barring the last fight, Spider-Man is never more than a nuisance to Hulk.
Namor only knocked Hulk out underwater. And I pointed out that Hulk in those days weakened significantly whenever he ran out of air.
And Abomination has never battle since their first fight.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
A single Thor does have the strength advantage(at the beginning of that match up) as you've admitted to earlier, and two is massive over kill. It's also funny considering Hulk has never shown displays of strength greater than what Thor has shown. Speculating that Hulk will be able to match both BRB and Thor's strength in the waking moments of this fight is ridiculous.
The fact remains as the fights goes on, he’ll get stronger and more durable, which can allow him to overcome the duo.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Actually Thor is much faster than Hulk. Thor has great speed feats, such as blocking bullets by quickly raising his arm. Thor has also been shown running at speeds that makes him invisible to the human eye, and keeping up with Hermes the good of speed. Thor has at the very least half light speed reaction times seeing as how he's able to navigate while moving at 3x the speed of light. Thor actually fights Thalif at super speeds in Thor v2, and runs the length of new York in a heart beat. On more than one occasion Thor has also been stated as being as quick as lightning, something I've never seen Hulk compared to.In other words Thor and BRB's speed >>>>>>> Hulk's speed
Seeing as how Thor never used any of this speed when fighting Hercules, or any one for that matter- barehanded, it’s all most likely due to the magical hammer.
Hon his own, Thor’s not faster than Quicksilver or Spider-Man, which has been shown on more than one occasion. And guess who Hulk has kept up with…
Originally posted by Soujaboy
So now your disregarding Thor's skill? I guess thousands upon thousands of years of warrior training means nothing in this battle? Thor's been trained in the art of war for ages, Hulk's been trained in the art of Hulk smash.Thor and BRB's skill >>>>>>>> Hulk
Is Thor more skilled than Hercules? No.
Did Hercules’s skill ever help against Hulk? No.
Deal with it.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
How does the Thing tend to hang with Hulk? skill. Skill matters in fights, whether you would like to believe it or not.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
In their recent fight they didn't stalemate, Hulk died.
Not only did the fight go against past continuity, but even the story it was in was somewhat inconsistent.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Or why Thor's never shown implementing skill in his battles with Hulk. I guess that's also why Thor has easily bested characters who are stronger than Hulk, but seems to be pushed to the limit when fighting Hulk.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
The Hulk doesn't die in most of his fights because of his popularity, period. It's the same reason Spider Man, Wolverine, and Cap haven't died and stayed dead. I mean really, where would marvel be without the Hulk?Every time Hulk doesn't die to character he's supposed to die to it's because of his popularity. It's the same thing with Wolverine, Spider Man, and Captain America.
Do you think maybe that may have something to do with how well he does against powerful folks? Seriously, your “Popularity” argument is weak.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
If you go by Thor's highest durability feats, outside Avengers comics, then his durability is far greater than Hulk's.
Originally posted by roughrider
So one fight contradicts 40 years of comic history?
Marvel would always promote these like heavyweight fights on the horizon - the recent Hulk/Thing mini HARD KNOCKS shows they are constantly matched opponents, despite Hulk being superior on paper. If it was that one-sided constantly, Marvel would look silly promoting it all the time.
Originally posted by Soljer
One in fourteen gogoolduoplexplex doesn't triple very quickly....😛.
This is just as bad as putting Thor and Bill against classic Jug h2h. Eventually, due to his limitless stamina and such, he'd win. Same for Hulk.
Originally posted by AccelHulk took a blast head on that was powerful enough to rip apart a universe. Now tell me, what has Thor done in comparison?
Bullsh*t. Not even Classic Juggernaut would withstand a blast like that. Where was this piece of hyperbole?
Thor's not fighting people like Abomination, Speedfreak or The Leader all the time. He's constantly going against world destroyers and consumers like Galactus, Surtur, The Celestials; then in his spare time he gets harrased by Loki, The Destroyer, Mangog, Desak - very high quality of opponent.
Hulk managed to crack the armour of Onslaught? Thor cracked open the 20,000 foot Celestial Exitar, and twice managed to drive off a hungry Galactus. That's what Thor's done. 😉