Originally posted by MykeKitty
To say that Thor/BRB can't KO Hulk H2H is to say that Thor/BRB can't deliver equal or greater concussive force than the attack/attacks that Namor/Doc/Abomination used to dispatch Hulk.To say that Thor couldn't KO in the encounters they've had is to say that either Thor wasn't using enough force to KO Hulk, or that Hulk had reached a durability level where he was incapable of being incapacitated by the force of Thor's assault.
Circumstances of each event noted. Are these statements valid?
Originally posted by Accel
Yes, it does. For example, you can’t say Person A beat Person B without leaving out that Person A only won with a cheap shot. Or that Person A won in an environment that suited him fine but was horrible for Person B. Or that Person A, after winning one fight about 30 years ago, lost the next 10 or so fights against Person B.
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Originally posted by MykeKitty
The characters involved don't even matter, nor do their records head-to-head. They are only avatars for specific levels of physical force capable of knocking out Hulk at various levels of rage. Their names are used as they aid in identifying the specific instances referred to.
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Originally posted by Accel
And the fact remains for all their fights, Thor couldn’t out Hulk down with resorting to his other powers.
That isn't necessarily a logical conclusion. The only fact in those instances would be that Thor incapacitated Hulk by using his other powers.
Originally posted by Accel
He thought Samson was an illusion, which is why he was completely unaware of a fight. Abomination beat him 40 years ago and hasn’t won a fight since. Hulk’s been written as stronger since those days. Really, it’s just stupid to ignore all the times he’s faced Thor-level opponents and held his own and just focus who’s beaten him. If you want to do that, Thor has problems with objects as small as bullets, like Wonder Woman. Imagine if Hulk poked him with his finger.
I never ignored anything in my examination of the Hulk's abilities.
Originally posted by MykeKitty
Hulk on the other hand, is said to have "infinite potential," but can be KO'd with by means of sufficient impact. Whether the supplied force is sufficient to overcome his durability at a given time as it relates to his anger is the crucial point. Savage Hulk's dependency on his rage for strength and durability almost precludes any possibility of high or low showings because his strength and durability fluctuate drastically with in correlation to his anger. Not entirely dissimilar to Gladiator and his confidence. When Hulk is OHKO'd by Doc Samson, he's not angry enough. When Hulk is angry enough, he KO'd Doc. In some cases, for whatever reason, he'll just stop fighting and calm down.There isn't an accurate gauge for Hulk's anger though. There is calm, rageless Hulk, and then there is Hulk with some amount of rage, subject to incremental magnification and diminution. At some arbitrary increment, Hulk is impervious to a physical attack of a given force. Below that increment, he will be KO'd by the same force.
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Originally posted by Accel
Right, consistency, so saying Thor can simply take out Hulk early on when he’s NEVER been able to before is ludicrous.
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By that logic, Hulk wouldn't be able to knock out Thor, and Thor & BRB vs. Hulk H2H couldn't happen.
This thread is Thor & BRB. And it's not a question of whether they can take him out early. It's a question of whether they can take him out before his rage elevates his durability to a level where they won't be able to knock him out, and then, whether he can maintain that level for enough time to claim victory.
