Sins Real and Imagined

***I am not sure whether or not this is more suited for the Philosophy Forum, if so, feel free to relocate it:****

Some people have an interesting beleif about the concept of Hell. I have found that some Christians and Buddhists truly beleive that we create our own Hell

I. Christian Perspective: Not the general Christian Perspective, but a more unique one is that God does not create Hell. There is no hellfire, there is no eternal damnation, there is no "second death", there is no Satan watching you burn.

We create Hell, in Life and in Death. They beleive that when we die, we get what we expect..we get what we create. We suffer for sins both real and imagined..and when we arrive in this Hell, we torture ourselves until we can find it in ourselves to forgive ourselves.

This Hell can take the form of anything: An unbearable Heartbreak, a state of poverty, wandering an empty world, etc. Until we snap out of it, then we can enter Heaven....our own Heaven.

This Hell is rather unique, because it is temporary, and we punish ourselves and we decide when to stop. This Hell is spawned when we die with regrets.

These Regrets are what birth Hell

*The problem with this concept, is that if you have no guilt for your wrongs, then you do not suffer.

II. Buddhist Perspective All Buddhists beleive that we create Heaven and Hell on Earth. Some Buddhists beleive that we carry this Heaven or Hell with us after Death into our next life.

But this, however, seems to contradict the First Noble Truth of Dukkha- that which is Life is Suffering. That implies that Hell is inevitable, but then again it depends how you define Hell.

Is suffering Hell ?

Some Buddhists see Hell as a submission and recreation of that Suffering. WE cannot prevent suffering...but we can overpower and end certain sufferings.

This thread is entitled Sins both Real and Imagined because no matter what religion you are, everyone is guilty of having punished themselves in some way, or having allowed themselves to suffer for things they were responsible for, and things they weren't responsible for.

Sometimes, we feel we did something wrong, or ARE something wrong, and we punish ourselves for it...instead of holding ourselves in high regard, we look down on ourselves, and blame ourselves....and sometimes we are the only person suffering for this imagined offense.

Holding regrets is a burden. A lack of ability to forgive ourselves, is a punishment we inflict on our self, a punishment no one else, not God, not Satan, not another being is responsible for...only you.

Could Hell be nothing more than submission into our own guilt ? Could Hell exist simply because we FEEL we deserve it ? Do WE truly create it ?

Lord Urizen check out the ten worlds.

http://sgi-usa.org/buddhism/faqs/tenworlds.htm

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Lord Urizen check out the ten worlds.

http://sgi-usa.org/buddhism/faqs/tenworlds.htm

I think that is amazing, and it's so familiar....

I have been recently travelling back and forth between the worlds of Hunger and Humanity

I've had a taste of "Love"...you know, the romantic love, but I've felt a hunger for that feeling for years. I always seem to come close to "finding it", just to see it was either a temporary condition or some sort of delusion I experienced in an effort to feel pure happiness.

I still crave it....it's addicting. Having someone lust for your presence, your body, your company, your affection, etc. It feels so good....

I felt Heaven at least twice in my life. That feeling of absolute pure happiness, which dies very quickly.

I have felt Hell more often. More so in the past than in the present. I used to be suicidal lo0o0ong ago, for many reasons. Good thing my hell is a lot weaker today than it was back then.

I cannot quite say I have lived in the worlds of Anger or Animality, however. Maybe in slight variances, but never in a prolonged period.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I think that is amazing, and it's so familiar....

I have been recently travelling back and forth between the worlds of [b]Hunger and Humanity

I've had a taste of "Love"...you know, the romantic love, but I've felt a hunger for that feeling for years. I always seem to come close to "finding it", just to see it was either a temporary condition or some sort of delusion I experienced in an effort to feel pure happiness.

I still crave it....it's addicting. Having someone lust for your presence, your body, your company, your affection, etc. It feels so good....

I felt Heaven at least twice in my life. That feeling of absolute pure happiness, which dies very quickly.

I have felt Hell more often. More so in the past than in the present. I used to be suicidal lo0o0ong ago, for many reasons. Good thing my hell is a lot weaker today than it was back then.

I cannot quite say I have lived in the worlds of Anger or Animality, however. Maybe in slight variances, but never in a prolonged period. [/B]

For many years (most of my life) I lived in Hell. I have learned how to not go there. I try to be in the upper 4 worlds, but I'm human...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
For many years (most of my life) I lived in Hell. I have learned how to not go there. I try to be in the upper 4 worlds, but I'm human...

I may not visit Hell anymore, but I certainly feel like a prisoner of Hunger at times...prisoner to my loneliness, prisoner to my anger, and prisoner to my sex drive

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I may not visit Hell anymore, but I certainly feel like a prisoner of Hunger at times...prisoner to my loneliness, prisoner to my anger, and prisoner to my sex drive

Here is the trick: Inside of each world is the other 9 worlds. So, if you are in the world of Hunger, there is the world of Realization, and you can leave Hunger by realizing your own power. Or you can enter the world of Bodhisattva and find a way to make your Hunger help other people.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Here is the trick: Inside of each world is the other 9 worlds. So, if you are in the world of Hunger, there is the world of Realization, and you can leave Hunger by realizing your own power. Or you can enter the world of Bodhisattva and find a way to make your Hunger help other people.

I want to make someone happy by being with me. I want it to be sincere, not just for sex or companionship....I know that is selfish, but everyone (other than freinds and family) who I have tried to make happy, has either abused it or not cared for it.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I want to make someone happy by being with me. I want it to be sincere, not just for sex or companionship....I know that is selfish, but everyone (other than freinds and family) who I have tried to make happy, has either abused it or not cared for it.

That is a good start. In time you can learn how to remove yourself from the attachment that you have just made. But attachments are an important starting point. Just remember that all suffering comes from attachments.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is a good start. In time you can learn how to remove yourself from the attachment that you have just made. But attachments are an important starting point. Just remember that all suffering comes from attachments.

I realize that my personal suffering comes from my longing to find someone who would value me infinately, and not use me, to find someone I can trust 100%.

But, somehow, I am finding it very hard, almost impossible, to rid myself of the desire to have that kind of Lover.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I realize that my personal suffering comes from my longing to find someone who would value me infinately, and not use me, to find someone I can trust 100%.

But, somehow, I am finding it very hard, almost impossible, to rid myself of the desire to have that kind of Lover.

That is not a bad thing; just realize that it causes pain. If someone stuck you with a pin, it would really hurt, but you could take a pin and jab yourself and it would not hurt as much. The reason why that happens is that you are in control. Have control and realize that you are waiting for that one right person who will come alone. I know that it will happen, and you have to know that it will happen. Be positive, but not needy and it will come.

Hell is a creation of guilt. No force in the universe can do more damage to you than yourself.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I realize that my personal suffering comes from my longing to find someone who would value me infinately, and not use me, to find someone I can trust 100%.

But, somehow, I am finding it very hard, almost impossible, to rid myself of the desire to have that kind of Lover.

Originally posted by Nellinator
This is why thinking about whom you associate yourself with is important, especially someone you want to be intimate with. Choosing to committ goes a lot farther than simply relying on feelings, something that can come and go.

Originally posted by Shaky
That is not a bad thing; just realize that it causes pain. If someone stuck you with a pin, it would really hurt, but you could take a pin and jab yourself and it would not hurt as much. The reason why that happens is that you are in control. Have control and realize that you are waiting for that one right person who will come alone. I know that it will happen, and you have to know that it will happen. Be positive, but not needy and it will come.

I feel very emotionally spent....

I have given my full self to so many people, really unappreciative people....I feel very used and very f*cked over pretty much.

And it makes me question myself....the thing is i know I'm a great guy, and im pretty handsome too, but despite all that, I sometimes feel like I'll never "be good enough"...it's almost like I expect the next person to betray me in some kind of way.

I'm sick of that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Hell is a creation of guilt. No force in the universe can do more damage to you than yourself.

I agree 👆

That is basically what this thread is getting at....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I feel very emotionally spent....

I have given my full self to so many people, really unappreciative people....I feel very used and very f*cked over pretty much.

And it makes me question myself....the thing is i know I'm a great guy, and im pretty handsome too, but despite all that, I sometimes feel like I'll never "be good enough"...it's almost like I expect the next person to betray me in some kind of way.

I'm sick of that.

You make things harder for yourself for reasons you don’t understand. Is that what you are saying?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You make things harder for yourself for reasons you don’t understand. Is that what you are saying?

Not really....

My trust in people in general has gone down though....I'm tired of this continous cycle of trial and error with people, but maybe that's an inevitable part of looking for love.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Not really....

My trust in people in general has gone down though....I'm tired of this continous cycle of trial and error with people, but maybe that's an inevitable part of looking for love.

People will always fail you. That is just a fact of life.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
People will always fail you. That is just a fact of life.

Guess, I gotta get used to it 😆

We're only human...I think I need to let go of my romantic ideals...romance is rare now...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Guess, I gotta get used to it 😆

We're only human...I think I need to let go of my romantic ideals...romance is rare now...

When you let go of attachments you free yourself. A romantic idea is an attachment. That does not mean that you have to loose something; you may end up gaining more then you hoped for.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
People will always fail you. That is just a fact of life.

I just thought about this....there is a major difference between someone showing up late for or cancelling a date...and then someone totally backstabbing and abandoning you....