Democratic Nomination?

Originally posted by Schecter
you're cherry picking now. how republican

That said, I'm aware that politics everywhere affects everyone. I'm merely pointing out that as Bardock is not a franchised voter here in America, he really doesn't have a voice in American politics. It's exactly the same for me with Germany. Yes I have opinions about Angela Merkel's government in Germany. But do my opinions matter? Absolutely not. Nor are they likely to be well-informed, but that's a whole other ball game.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
you hit the nail right on the head about Strangelove.He sure is not into debating well thought out arguments.Whe he cant counter points,he throws childish insults. I listed several books a few pages back that people here should read that prove Hillary is the worst possible candiate we can have to be president and instead of taking me up on the challenge to read those books,he just came back with his usual childish insults.

well, significance of a single vote depends on the state, bardock. for example a democrat in utah (retard capital of the u.s.) may as well stay home on election day.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You aren't interested in either.

You are just dismissive, fact is, I have never once seen you actually argue a point, you always leave when a debate comes up ...

Be that as it may, my opinion and the arguments put forth from it can change the choices of US citizens just as yours can. My opinion can be more or less valid than yours when measured up to fact. True, you have one vote more than me, one vote of what...100 000 000? Insignificant. So, yeah, my opinion matters, if strategically voiced much mores than yours as well. And your unintelligent xenophobic dismissal doesn't really speak well for the state of your opinions at all.

co signed. 👆

Originally posted by Strangelove
How is that cherry picking? It's the phrase that I originally responded to which led to what Bardock said. It's absolutely relevant and I quoted it word for word.

Dude, you nit-picked TWO SEPARATE POSTS to make yourself look better.

You really should try out politics. 😆

Originally posted by Bardock42
You aren't interested in either.

You are just dismissive, fact is, I have never once seen you actually argue a point, you always leave when a debate comes up ...

Be that as it may, my opinion and the arguments put forth from it can change the choices of US citizens just as yours can. My opinion can be more or less valid than yours when measured up to fact. True, you have one vote more than me, one vote of what...100 000 000? Insignificant. So, yeah, my opinion matters, if strategically voiced much mores than yours as well. And your unintelligent xenophobic dismissal doesn't really speak well for the state of your opinions at all.

Originally posted by Strangelove
How is that cherry picking? It's the phrase that I originally responded to which led to what Bardock said. It's absolutely relevant and I quoted it word for word.

That said, I'm aware that politics everywhere affects everyone. I'm merely pointing out that as Bardock is not a franchised voter here in America, he really doesn't have a voice in American politics. It's exactly the same for me with Germany. Yes I have opinions about Angela Merkel's government in Germany. But do my opinions matter? Absolutely not. Nor are they likely to be well-informed, but that's a whole other ball game. This coming from the person who had an argument with me about comic book movies two years ago. Haven't you grown up?

What nonsense. 1 vote in a hundred million. That's the least effective way of influencing politics. You have a vote, good for you, if I had the ability to sway the votes of hundreds I'd have more of a voice in American politics than you.

Your opinions on German politics could easily be well-informed by the way. You just choose not to indulge in them.

Your argument is ridiculous and your blanket statement stupid and defensive. Yes, you replied to one post of mine, but you generalized your statement, therefore including every argument and opinion I voiced. So stop with the Strawman, kay?

Originally posted by Strangelove
How is that cherry picking? It's the phrase that I originally responded to which led to what Bardock said. It's absolutely relevant and I quoted it word for word.

you're using one post as validation for your claim that he has no right to an opinion, which is cherry picking. also it is backpedling since in your previous statement you said that he had no valid opinion since he isnt american.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Yes I have opinions about Angela Merkel's government in Germany. But do my opinions matter? Absolutely not.

in a forum of debate on german politics you would have as much a right to speak your opinion as bardock or me and even a halfwit like kidrock.

Originally posted by chithappens
Dude, you nit-picked TWO SEPARATE POSTS to make yourself look better.

You really should try out politics. 😆

Originally posted by Strangelove
I usually don't bother to argue on the internet. I think it's frivolous and in the end achieves nothing. If you really want me to stick around and debate with you guys over "well thought-out arguments", I'd be glad to.

Why even bother posting anything then if, in your opinion, it doesn't achieve anything?

And sure, stick around when an argument comes about, I doubt you actually can though. You don't hold up too well on the one about your ignorant and simplistic earlier statement.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Two separate posts which were indelibly linked. And I didn't do it to make myself look better. Assigning motives to my actions is a waste of your time.

I won't insult you again by assuming so please explain how they are linked.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What nonsense. 1 vote in a hundred million. That's the least effective way of influencing politics. You have a vote, good for you, if I had the ability to sway the votes of hundreds I'd have more of a voice in American politics than you.

Your opinions on German politics could easily be well-informed by the way. You just choose not to indulge in them.

Your argument is ridiculous and your blanket statement stupid and defensive. Yes, you replied to one post of mine, but you generalized your statement, therefore including every argument and opinion I voiced. So stop with the Strawman, kay?

If there's one thing I like to say about myself, it's that I'm always willing to learn. So while I haven't yet made myself as well informed of foreign governments as I'd like to be, I'm certainly willing to take that step.

I apologize for generalizing. I was referring specifically to that statement though.

very good. now we can get back to the topic.

clinton is a racist tool

Originally posted by Schecter
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why even bother posting anything then if, in your opinion, it doesn't achieve anything?

And sure, stick around when an argument comes about, I doubt you actually can though. You don't hold up too well on the one about your ignorant and simplistic earlier statement.

Originally posted by chithappens
I won't insult you again by assuming so please explain how they are linked.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Not being an American citizen, your opinion doesn't matter.

Satisfied?

Originally posted by Strangelove
See, but I intend to have a larger effect on American politics than just the ability to vote. I volunteer for campaigns. I would one day like to run for elected office. It's more important that just voting.

If there's one thing I like to say about myself, it's that I'm always willing to learn. So while I haven't yet made myself as well informed of foreign governments as I'd like to be, I'm certainly willing to take that step.

I apologize for generalizing. I was referring specifically to that statement though.

Exactly. You just defeated your own assumption. Obviously someone not eligible to vote can still influence American politics. I could donate money, I could hold speeches, I could support campaigns, I could publish newsletters. Despite that it's also not about how much influence I could have (which even as German citizen could be immense), but whether either opinion of ours matters more. And it just doesn't on an Internet forum. Again, one vote is nothing.

Well, you can start by learning that your earlier statement was stupid and wrong and maybe continue learning to never state something as idiotic as that again.

How does that make sense? How could what you replied to that one statement in any way be solely apply to it? And even then, it is still wrong and ignorant. And Democrats are supposedly open minded. Haha, my ass.

Well, thank you for the apology though, I assume you can see how I get annoyed by such a statement. Since it is really no different to saying "Well your opinion doesn't count because you are gay".

Fine. You're right, I'm wrong, as well as a brainless mook. Can we move on now?

Originally posted by Strangelove
Fine. You're right, I'm wrong, as well as a brainless mook. Can we move on now?

So, Hillary basically said something really racist an then said it wasn't. I don't really understand why she would behave that way. It is weird how often she lately brings race into her statement.,

imagine the media shitstorm if obama had stated something so stupid? i mean, if someone he knew as a frikin aquaintence said something that stupid they would crucify him.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, thank you for the apology though, I assume you can see how I get annoyed by such a statement. Since it is really no different to saying "Well your opinion doesn't count because you are gay".

I do see how it was insensitive and xenophobic. As you mentioned, I am supposed to be more open-minded as a Democrat, haha. And I am open-minded. But I'm also a hothead. So sometimes my mouth gets ahead of my brain.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I am sorry, I was dragging this off-topic.

So, Hillary basically said something really racist an then said it wasn't. I don't really understand why she would behave that way. It is weird how often she lately brings race into her statement.,

Originally posted by Strangelove
You edited after I replied, so I didn't see this.

I do see how it was insensitive and xenophobic. As you mentioned, I am supposed to be more open-minded as a Democrat, haha. And I am open-minded. But I'm also a hothead. So sometimes my mouth gets ahead of my brain.

at least you can ultimately be mature about it. if it were ddm or rj it would have meant 20 pages of dancing and crying and eventual thread closure, so thanks.

:edit:
read my post on this page (second to my last post)