Democratic Nomination?

Started by xmarksthespot101 pages

I already stated my general apathy for the candidates and I should probably add politicians and general, but from an external perspective its reasonably apparent that this factor has played a larger part in his rise than other candidates (in an electioneering process that imo is based far more on personality and slogans than actual policy "change, hope, unity, blah, etc."😉. There is certainly no McCainia that I can perceive and there's a Hillary Clinton nutcracker for sale. His most ardent supporters seem to think he's the Holy Grail, Philosopher's stone and a magical panacea all rolled into one - although as mentioned this may be a feature of all candidates; it just seems more glaring in his case.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I already stated my general apathy for the candidates and I should probably add politicians and general, but from an external perspective its reasonably apparent that this factor has played a larger part in his rise than other candidates (in an electioneering process that imo is based far more on personality and slogans than actual policy "change, hope, unity, blah, etc."😉. There is certainly no McCainia that I can perceive and there's a Hillary Clinton nutcracker for sale. His most ardent supporters seem to think he's the Holy Grail, Philosopher's stone and a magical panacea all rolled into one - although as mentioned this may be a feature of all candidates; it just seems more glaring in his case.

perhaps because media outlets are attempting to cast this light exclusively on him. as for mccain, its difficult to gain momentum when your campaign slogan may as well be "four more years".

make no mistake though, despite a notable lack of media hype/scrutiny and the easy ride he's had so far mccain has an unwavering and fanatical base. its called "neoconservatism". clinton? oh please. she's proven to be hypocritical self serving, threatening to drag this electoral abyss well into august because she cant handle the fact that obama clinched the popular vote. still, she has a fanatical following.

the VAST majority of obama supporters who were interviewed in exit polls said that they would vote for clinton if she won, while a substantial portion of clinton supporters declared that they would either not vote or vote mccain. how much more fanatical can one get? to spite their own ideals for the sake of a candidate. yet this is not parroted in the media like this supposed obama cult fanatacism.

It's weird, I never thought me and Schechter would be on the same side in a debate.

Originally posted by Robtard
BUSH BLUNDERS AND BLOOPERS <--- Video

"Do you have blacks, too?" -George W. Bush, to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Nov. 8, 2001, as reported in an April 28, 2002, Estado Sao Pauloan column by Fernando Pedreira, a close friend of President Cardoso

"I'd rather have them sacrificing on behalf of our nation than, you know, endless hours of testimony on congressional hill." -George W. Bush, Fort Meade, Maryland, June 4, 2002

"We hold dear what our Declaration of Independence says, that all have got uninalienable rights, endowed by a Creator." -George W. Bush, to community and religious leaders in Moscow, May 24, 2002

"We're working with Chancellor Schröder on what's called 10-plus-10-over-10: $10 billion from the U.S.,$10 billion from other members of the G7 over a 10-year period, to help Russia securitize the dismantling - the dismantled nuclear warheads." -George W. Bush, Berlin, Germany, May 23, 2002

"After all, a week ago, there were - Yasser Arafat was boarded up in his building in Ramallah, a building full of, evidently, German peace protestors and all kinds of people. They're now out. He's now free to show leadership, to lead the world." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 2, 2002

"The public education system in America is one of the most important foundations of our democracy. After all, it is where children from all over America learn to be responsible citizens, and learn to have the skills necessary to take advantage of our fantastic opportunistic society." -George W. Bush, May 1, 2002

"This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating." -George W. Bush, as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002

"It would be a mistake for the United States Senate to allow any kind of human cloning to come out of that chamber." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 10, 2002

"And so, in my State of the - my State of the Union - or state - my speech to the nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation - I asked Americans to give 4,000 years - 4,000 hours over the next - the rest of your life - of service to America. That's what I asked - 4,000 hours." -George W. Bush, Bridgeport, Conn., April 9, 2002

"Sometimes when I sleep at night I think of (Dr. Seuss's) 'Hop on Pop.'" -George W. Bush, in a speech about childhood education, Washington, D.C., April 2, 2002

"We've tripled the amount of money - I believe it's from $50 million up to $195 million available." -George W. Bush, Lima, Peru, March 23, 2002

"We've got pockets of persistent poverty in our society, which I refuse to declare defeat - I mean, I refuse to allow them to continue on. And so one of the things that we're trying to do is to encourage a faith-based initiative to spread its wings all across America, to be able to capture this great compassionate spirit." -George W. Bush, O'Fallon, Mo., Mar. 18, 2002

"I understand that the unrest in the Middle East creates unrest throughout the region." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

"There's nothing more deep than recognizing Israel's right to exist. That's the most deep thought of all. ... I can't think of anything more deep than that right." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

"My trip to Asia begins here in Japan for an important reason. It begins here because for a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times. From that alliance has come an era of peace in the Pacific." -George W. Bush, who apparently forgot about a little something called World War II, Tokyo, Feb. 18, 2002

"He [Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi] said I want to make it very clear to you exactly what I intend to do and he talked about non-performing loans, the devaluation issue and regulatory reform and he placed equal emphasis on all three." -George W. Bush, who had meant to say "the deflation issue" rather than "the devaluation issue," and accidentally sent the Japanese Yen tumbling, Tokyo, Feb. 18, 2002

"But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." -George W. Bush, summing up his first year in office, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001

"I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." -George W. Bush, at a White House Menorah lighting ceremony, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2001

"I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 3, 2001

"We are fully committed to working with both sides to bring the level of terror down to an acceptable level for both." -George W. Bush, after a meeting with congressional leaders, Washington, D.C., Oct. 2, 2001

"The folks who conducted to act on our country on September 11th made a big mistake. They underestimated America. They underestimated our resolve, our determination, our love for freedom. They misunderestimated the fact that we love a neighbor in need. They misunderestimated the compassion of our country. I think they misunderestimated the will and determination of the Commander-in-Chief, too." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 26, 2001

"The suicide bombings have increased. There's too many of them." -George W. Bush, Albuquerque, N.M., Aug. 15, 2001

"One of the interesting initiatives we've taken in Washington, D.C., is we've got these vampire-busting devices. A vampire is a - a cell deal you can plug in the wall to charge your cell phone." -George W. Bush, Denver, Aug. 14, 2001

"There's a lot of people in the Middle East who are desirous to get into the Mitchell process. And - but first things first. The - these terrorist acts and, you know, the responses have got to end in order for us to get the framework - the groundwork - not framework, the groundwork to discuss a framework for peace, to lay the-all right." -George W. Bush, referring to former Sen. George Mitchell's report on Middle East peace, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 13, 2001

"My administration has been calling upon all the leaders in the - in the Middle East to do everything they can to stop the violence, to tell the different parties involved that peace will never happen." -George W. Bush, Crawford, Texas, Aug, 13, 2001

"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it." -George W. Bush, July 27, 2001

"You saw the president yesterday. I thought he was very forward-leaning, as they say in diplomatic nuanced circles." -George W. Bush, referring to his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, July 23, 2001

"I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe - I believe what I believe is right." -George W. Bush, in Rome, July 22, 2001

"It is white." -George W. Bush, asked by a child in Britain what the White House was like, July 19, 2001

"Well, it's an unimaginable honor to be the president during the Fourth of July of this country. It means what these words say, for starters. The great inalienable rights of our country. We're blessed with such values in America. And I - it's - I'm a proud man to be the nation based upon such wonderful values." -George W. Bush, visiting the Jefferson Memorial, Washington, D.C., July 2, 2001

"I want to thank you for coming to the White House to give me an opportunity to urge you to work with these five senators and three congressmen, to work hard to get this trade promotion authority moving. The power that be, well most of the power that be, sits right here."-George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 18, 2001

"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." -George W. Bush, at a news conference in Europe, June 14, 2001

"I haven't had a chance to talk, but I'm confident we'll get a bill that I can live with if we don't." -George W. Bush, referring to the McCain-Kennedy patients' bill of rights, June 13, 2001

"Can't living with the bill means it won't become law." -George W. Bush, referring to the McCain-Kennedy patients' bill of rights, June 13, 2001

Wow thats quite a list! How long has Bush been president?

Obama isnt even nominated yet.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"Obamamania,"

It's like a bahama mama, with more liquor.

Originally posted by KidRock
Wow thats quite a list! How long has Bush been president?

Obama isnt even nominated yet.

What the **** is that supposed to mean?

Originally posted by lord xyz
What the **** is that supposed to mean?

I think he is saying that the list of stupid things said by a President Obama would be longer. However, I am only guessing. 😕

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think he is saying that the list of stupid things said by a President Obama would be longer. However, I am only guessing. 😕
That's stupid, since it's not true. I mean, with Obama it's just a common mistaking one word with another, I do it all the time. In fact, it's not as stupid as "putting food on your family".

Bush just speaks bullshit in a pathetic attempt to drive people's attention away from how shit he is, to how bad a speaker he is.

Originally posted by lord xyz
That's stupid, since it's not true. I mean, with Obama it's just a common mistaking one word with another, I do it all the time. In fact, it's not as stupid as "putting food on your family".

Bush just speaks bullshit in a pathetic attempt to drive people's attention away from how shit he is, to how bad a speaker he is.

What ever Bush is doing it seems that it has worked on you. 😆

I saw a book years ago about all the stupid things that President Clinton said, and it was very stupid.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What ever Bush is doing it seems that it has worked on you. 😆

I saw a book years ago about all the stupid things that President Clinton said, and it was very stupid.

Wow, and Clinton was one of the smarter ones.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Wow, and Clinton was one of the smarter ones.

It made me realize that people make money off this kind of thing.

As a general comment, it should probably be noted that a brilliant orator doesn't necessarily make for a brilliant leader.

Originally posted by Schecter
perhaps because media outlets are attempting to cast this light exclusively on him. as for mccain, its difficult to gain momentum when your campaign slogan may as well be "four more years".
I really don't think the media has been anything but beneficial to Obama. They picked their candidate two years ago.

Originally posted by Schecter
make no mistake though, despite a notable lack of media hype/scrutiny and the easy ride he's had so far mccain has an unwavering and fanatical base. its called "neoconservatism". clinton? oh please. she's proven to be hypocritical self serving, threatening to drag this electoral abyss well into august because she cant handle the fact that obama clinched the popular vote. still, she has a fanatical following.

the VAST majority of obama supporters who were interviewed in exit polls said that they would vote for clinton if she won, while a substantial portion of clinton supporters declared that they would either not vote or vote mccain. how much more fanatical can one get? to spite their own ideals for the sake of a candidate. yet this is not parroted in the media like this supposed obama cult fanatacism.

I'm aware of the Gallup polls where 30% of her supporters currently claim they would vote for McCain, while 20% of his would do the same, in the event their candidate wasn't chosen. (I was unaware that 20% is no longer considered substantial.)

I wasn't actually initially referring to the ferventness or rabidness of supporters as just generally commenting that imo the politics of personality have favored the rise of Obama, and his smooth transition from underdog to frontrunner.

Clinton is a shrill, vindictive *****. McCain is angry, old Bush-lite.

I'm curious whether any of the supporters of any of the candidates can really point to any fully fleshed-out, priced, policy initiative which is part of their motivation for their support. Maybe some on here can I'm sure, I'd wager though the vast majority of the general public can't particularly.

As already stated it reminds me of the Cult of Mac.
"Macbooks are better."
"Why?"
"They just are."
It may be more stylish, it's certainly the "in" thing, but it still runs on the same core components as the uglier notebooks and it really is just another PC.

Ironically if I were eligible to vote myself, based on ignorance of the actual policies in play and pretty purely on media coverage, I would probably end up voting for Obama, which is somewhat telling...

I don't want to be drawn into a lengthy political debate about US politics that while I find fascinating I don't really care about; so I'll just play pundit instead and predict that Obama will win the nomination (duh) but will likely lose the general election.

Obama now only needs 41 delegates.

Clinton needs 244.

first off, time magazine=the media? ive seen nothing but attacks on obama in mainstream media, calling him racist, liar, unpatriotic, radical, closet muslem, terrorist sypathiser, racist (i know i already said racist but how could you not lol at this). if i even saw half of the smearing toward hillary as i did for obama i would drop this, but its been ridiculously lopsided. thankfully it has toned down in recent weeks.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/


(CNN) — Just how badly is the Democratic Party divided?

According to the exit polls, half of Clinton's supporters in Indiana would not vote for Obama in a general election match up with John McCain. A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Obama, while 17 percent said they would not vote at all. Just 48 percent of Clinton supporters said they would back Obama in November.

Obama gets even less support from Clinton backers in North Carolina. There, only 45 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama over McCain. Thirty-eight percent said they would vote for McCain while 12 percent said they would not vote.

Obama voters appear to be more willing to support Clinton in November. In Indiana, 59 percent of Obama backers said they'd vote for Clinton, and 70 percent of Obama backers in North Carolina said they'd support the New York Democrat.

Obama supporter saying why he won't vote for Hillary in the general election.

YouTube video

Don't worry, he won't vote McCain either.

Just heard that Obama resigned his membership to his church.

Originally posted by BackFire
Just heard that Obama resigned his membership to his church.
Now, I consider that a good thing, but political-wise, that might cost him the election.

FOX: Obama is anti-christian: he resigned his church membership. Should we have an anti-christian as commander in chief?
Some Republican Evangelical: No, definately not. God wouldn't allow it, and might cause bird flu to go to America.

Well, Fox will spin anything Obama does as a negative. If he leaves the church they will say it took to long, if he doesn't they'll say that he should. Nothing he can do for people like that save maybe travel back through time and never join the church. You can't really take their opinion on it seriously.

Most will probably see it as a good thing, and something that had to be done.

*edit*

The DNC Rules and Bylaws committee met today to decide the fates of the previously stripped delegates from Florida and Michigan.

The Committee ruled that the Florida delegation will be sat according to their January primary, but each delegate will only receive a half vote (Clinton will receive 52.5 delegates to Obama's 33.5). Similarly, the Michigan delegation was staggered with Clinton receiving 69 delegates to Obama's 59, with each delegate getting a half vote (Clinton receives 34.5 delegates to Obama's 29.5).

The Clinton camp considers the Florida decision a victory but will likely protest the Michigan ruling.

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/dems-sort-out-michigan-florida-leaving-clinton-fans-furious-2008-05-31.html