Democratic Nomination?

Mike Gravel was a pretty progressive guy, but I always found him to be his own worst enemy. I don't know if it was a matter of age or if he was just a dopey guy, but I could see him pulling a Ford and falling down the Air Force One stairs.

I can't see that. I imagine being more lifeless, you know, considering how old he is.

Originally posted by Devil King
Mike Gravel was a pretty progressive guy, but I always found him to be his own worst enemy. I don't know if it was a matter of age or if he was just a dopey guy, but I could see him pulling a Ford and falling down the Air Force One stairs.

msnbc and CNN reporting that clinton won puerto rico..despite only 9% of the ballots being counted...thats stupid journalism for you

Originally posted by Bardock42
He joined the Libertarian party, I hear.

Originally posted by *=DeathReaperr'
msnbc and CNN reporting that clinton won puerto rico..despite only 9% of the ballots being counted...thats stupid journalism for you

I would like to mention that since the DNC Rules and Bylaws committee ruled on Florida and Michigan, they legitimized the popular votes from both of those states. And Hillary Clinton is currently leading in the popular vote by about 255,000. Regardless of how the nomination is decided, no one can argue that that's not important.

It isn't.

Al Gore won in the popular vote in 2000. Even if Bush won Florida legitimately.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I would like to mention that since the DNC Rules and Bylaws committee ruled on Florida and Michigan, they legitimized the popular votes from both of those states. And Hillary Clinton is currently leading in the popular vote by about 255,000. Regardless of how the nomination is decided, no one can argue that that's not important.

Please link your source backing up the claim that the DNC committee specifically validated Michigan's popular vote. From what I understand the popular vote is still highly subjective, and the DNC committee didn't specifically say anything about the popular vote about Michigan, they just split the delegates. If this is incorrect, then give me your source to make your claim worth something. Because from what I understand, at this point, the only way she will win the popular vote is by counting Michigan and discounting several of the caucuses.

By seating delegates from Michigan, it's implicit that they're legitimizing the vote itself. I don't have a link, but it is a fair conclusion.

Regarding caucuses, I'm skeptical about using unofficial turnout estimates to count towards the popular vote. With primaries and certain caucuses, the election is certified by the State SoS. Estimates just can't be relied on. I understand the logic behind your argument, but the fact remains these are estimates.

You're using unofficial turnout for the popular vote total by counting Michigan. The delegates are official, the popular vote still is not. If you count Michigan, you MUST count everything else in order to have any semblance of fairness.

And no, seating delegates from Michigan doesn't mean that the popular vote now gets counted. The delgates are based on a theoretical outcome of Michigan - that Obama would have come somewhat close to Clinton had his name been on the ballot. The delegate count of the state doesn't reflect the popular vote, so it's nonsensical to attempt to say that the popular vote now should be counted. As said, the popular vote is still highly subjective. There are several possible outcomes. The subjectiveness of the number only further diminishes the worth of the popular vote in this case.

srug You have your take, I have mine.

Of course, hence why I said that the popular vote is subjective. That fact alone makes the vote count worthless, since there is no real, official number.

I really do hate caucuses. They have incredibly low turnout compared to primaries, and they're basically only used because they're cheap, not for any practical reason.

A single, official vote count would make things simpler.

It would. I agree. I'd be fine if next election they did only Primaries. But, fact is, they were done this time, so they have to be counted. Especially if you use Clinton's argument that 'every vote must count'. They count as votes, so they must count.

Originally posted by Strangelove
srug You have your take, I have mine.

fair enough, but please let go of the clinton math.

Originally posted by Schecter
fair enough, but please let go of the clinton math.

lol. Nice avatar.

yeah, i made it in a moment of anger.

Saw the baby and thought it was going to be about your love of child pornography at first.

naaaaa that hag is way too old.

The baby in your ava?