Originally posted by Bardock42
No, no. If you guys can afford it you can built mansions for homeless guys. I just want to reduce it to not take hard earnerd money from people that don't want to pay for it.
so then you see no point in government as long as its existence involves your money.
Originally posted by Bardock42
We have basically solely public schools. There's not much business for private schools I guess. The standards are alright, the cost immense.
and what makes it so expensive? A government that has no expectations, or a private sector that knows an education is what everyone wants and needs, so they can freely decide how much an education will cost?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Don't understand that analogy.
In that the government shouldn't expect anything, because it should serve the people. But the people should expect nothing from a government they have no reason to fund, because they can do better on their own.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No. I believe my solution would not limit the possibilities it would increase them and also support them on the way more. And there isn't any smart guy with loads of potential that has nothing to offer, that would go against the definition of potential.
So, where's the advancement opportunity? No potential to succeed or pay back, why would a bank lend him any money? Or should he sit around hoping a Magwitch will come along or that he'll win the lottery?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes. Just what you derive from it and say would happen is not logically supported by the scenario. I don't think the government should interfere. All the people that think there should be public education are very welcome to give all their money to ensure the education of everyone. They just can't use mine. It would never be a worse system than we have now.
No, there's not. But the government is set up as a representative body. It doesn't represent though; and you feel you have no say, despite having a vote. So your solution is to abolish public education, rather than fixing the representative failures of the government?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Nothing. They have that degree and can do with it as they see fit. If it is not worth as much anymore as they thought that is no ones problem but theirs. Besides, something like that wouldn't happen overnight, it is a deep change in society, there wouldn't be people that thought it would be worth a lot and then found out it isn't.
nothing what? It might not be your problem their degree is worthless, but it's your problem when they have one and think you should have one too in order to effectively accomplish the task for which they're going to pay you a living.
Originally posted by Bardock42
The public school system goes against that though.
Of course it goes against it, you're being educated, rather than educating yourself.
Originally posted by Bardock42
There would be much cheaper schools. You know you pay an extremely large amount of money for schools? Just because it doesn't show up on a bill doesn't mean we don't pay for it. In a free market there would be room for cheap schools. The education might be slightly worse than it is today, but there would still be education. Together with the other points I brought up it would likely be better than what we have now.
Cheap schools, that are mired in cheap opinions. If the education is worse than it is now, then why change the system?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I meant there could be schools that you can visit part time with a job. Those would be possible. I mean, why shouldn't people pay for their education?
People do. And a great many of them are still living below the poverty line, or are one pay check away from all of their hard work collapsing in on them and having ther homes taken away from them.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Good reasons too.
too, what?
Originally posted by Bardock42
But they aren't. The people that pay the most for it don't get anything in relation to what they gave back. The public schools still kinda work because they leech from the most productive people. People without children or that had and use private education pay just like those that use it, just that on average they pay much more (being richer). I am sorry but Bill Gates doesn't have to drag along a hundred children of lower class families. It's not his duty. It's thievery.
So hard work is irrelevant to actual accomplishment? That, too, screws over the little guy. You know who it will benefit? People like Bush, who got what they have because they were born in teh right family.
Gates is a bad example, because he does a lot for poor kids and education (which does a lot in the round for his business, as well!). That might be your point. But he gives way more money to the cause than do most people in his position. (and even then, it's got a lot to do with taxes)
Because it is the topic of our conversations. And one of the programs that should be absolutely cut. Without anything taking it's place in the government. [/B][/QUOTE]
and that's why our conversation will continue.