Originally posted by Devil King
so then you see no point in government as long as its existence involves your money.
No. It can involve my money if everyone that pays into gets equally and fairly back.
Police to protect you from harm - equal and beneficial
Public Education - unequal and harmful
Originally posted by Devil King
and what makes it so expensive? A government that has no expectations, or a private sector that knows an education is what everyone wants and needs, so they can freely decide how much an education will cost?
The government's involvement in particular. Free markets and less focus on it would make it cheaper.
Originally posted by Devil King
In that the government shouldn't expect anything, because it should serve the people. But the people should expect nothing from a government they have no reason to fund, because they can do better on their own.
The government doesn't have any rights. If it is supposed to perform services it will need funding. Those funds should be fair and at a minimum though. People of course can expect for what they payed for, not more though.
Originally posted by Devil King
So, where's the advancement opportunity? No potential to succeed or pay back, why would a bank lend him any money? Or should he sit around hoping a Magwitch will come along or that he'll win the lottery?
They have advancement opportunities. Especially if they have a high potential it is likely they will be able to produce a huge amount of money and be of use to the people that funded their education for the time being. It's not their right to be educated, they will have to work for it, you should steal other people's money so people can get a shitty education.
Originally posted by Devil King
No, there's not. But the government is set up as a representative body. It doesn't represent though; and you feel you have no say, despite having a vote. So your solution is to abolish public education, rather than fixing the representative failures of the government?
No, I have a voice. I do get oppressed though by a majority that decides how to spend my money.
Originally posted by Devil King
nothing what? It might not be your problem their degree is worthless, but it's your problem when they have one and think you should have one too in order to effectively accomplish the task for which they're going to pay you a living.
In a free market that is alright. You can take whatever standards you want. It would just be smarter to consider people without degree as well as they can be superior. That's one of the major advantages in my system.
Originally posted by Devil King
Of course it goes against it, you're being educated, rather than educating yourself.
Yeah, you are given one option and it is a bad one at that. It should be adjusted or scrapped altogether.
Originally posted by Devil King
Cheap schools, that are mired in cheap opinions. If the education is worse than it is now, then why change the system?
Because it would be fairer and cheaper and on the whole better. I just said that the cheapest schools might be worse than the schools we have today, though, there are some really shitty schools already, hard to have worse ones than those I assume.
Originally posted by Devil King
People do. And a great many of them are still living below the poverty line, or are one pay check away from all of their hard work collapsing in on them and having ther homes taken away from them.
I will shed a tear for them when I have time. Though, that's just one of the problems I have been talking about. They need a degree to function in part due to public education. The prices they have to pay for that are also hight because of government interference.
Originally posted by Devil King
too, what?
I was sarcastic. You didn't give reasons why Homeschooling is bad. Or discussed community schooling at all.
Originally posted by Devil King
So hard work is irrelevant to actual accomplishment? That, too, screws over the little guy. You know who it will benefit? People like Bush, who got what they have because they were born in teh right family.
I never said the first thing and it would benefit everyone. And apparently the system we have now benefits people like Bush...so, what would be the harm?
Originally posted by Devil King
Gates is a bad example, because he does a lot for poor kids and education (which does a lot in the round for his business, as well!). That might be your point. But he gives way more money to the cause than do most people in his position. (and even then, it's got a lot to do with taxes)
No, that wasn't my point (though there are people like that), my point was that regardless of how you choose to spend YOUR money, it is not just that you should pay for anyone else or the children of anyone else. That you admired his charity work is nice and all, but it doesn't matter. If he wants to do that it is good, if he doesn't it is just as good. There's nothing wrong with doing something legal for your business. In fact some find it to be a moral obligation, even though leftist anti-corporation talk takes a hold everywhere.
Originally posted by Devil King
and that's why our conversation will continue.
Probably. Then again, you didn't give any alternative at all so far, did you?