Republican Nomination?

Originally posted by Quark_666
Continue taking circumstances into account. Someone without arms and legs has your support for becoming president of the United States? I'm not nearly as impressed by Ron Paul as I am by his supporters.

Well, extending my analogy the hurdles run would be a process to determing who then can do something totally different better, lets say playing chess.

So, in that analogy, yes, without a doubt. I'd prefer the genius chess player without arms and legs (Paul) over the moron that can jump and run fast (Romney, Clinton, Giuliani, Huckabee, Edwards, Obama)

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01042008/watch2.html

This one is excellent too. Should answer some of the questions people still have. He clarifies his points.

Originally posted by Bardock42
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01042008/watch2.html

This one is excellent too. Should answer some of the questions people still have. He clarifies his points.

Bill Moyers is amazing

Originally posted by inimalist
Bill Moyers is amazing

I think it's a big problem in the US that they hardly have any journalists and a lot of very loud and very stupid political commentators.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I hadn't heard of him before, but he seems to adhere to journalistic principles.

I think it's a big problem in the US that they hardly have any journalists and a lot of very loud and very stupid political commentators.

I'd disagree about them not having good journalists, just more that the ones that everyone hears are said political commentators, and the good ones are on the internet or outside of the mainstream...

But ya, can't say I agree with all his rhetoric sometimes, Moyers is very anti-corporate media, but his integrity is almost unquestionable.

Originally posted by inimalist
I'd disagree about them not having good journalists, just more that the ones that everyone hears are said political commentators, and the good ones are on the internet or outside of the mainstream...

But ya, can't say I agree with all his rhetoric sometimes, Moyers is very anti-corporate media, but his integrity is almost unquestionable.

I was referring to the mainstream of course.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I was referring to the mainstream of course.

aye, what a race to the bottom that is

Originally posted by BigRed
You're obviously not taking into consideration what I am saying. This isn't a black and white issue. You have to put it into perspective.

Objectivity is key. I'm not saying he did great in Iowa. Not at all. I'm saying putting the situation into perspective, he did impressive.

It's a simple concept to comprehend here.

Objectivity is the key and objectively looking at things, there is nothing "impressive" about 5th place out of 7 possible. Sure RP is the underdog, but let's not let things get to our head. I have a feeling if he only won 3% of the votes, it'd still be "impresive."

If anyone is being subjective, it's the RP fanboys that try and celebrate mediocrity, simply because he's their man.

Here is a followup video to Ron Paul being left out of the Fox "News" debate. Ron Paul said almost the same thing I did about this...credibility went out the window when they decided to exclude Ron Paul. Awesome vid, imo.

YouTube video

Here is another video on the debate. It looks like the other candidates spin things to make Ron Paul look stupid which takes potential votes away from Ron Paul. That is how the game works.

YouTube video

They all lie and stuff.

Originally posted by Robtard
Objectivity is the key and objectively looking at things, there is nothing "impressive" about 5th place out of 7 possible. Sure RP is the underdog, but let's not let things get to our head. I have a feeling if he only won 3% of the votes, it'd still be "impresive."

If anyone is being subjective, it's the RP fanboys that try and celebrate mediocrity, simply because he's their man.

But if you look at it in regards to the fact that it is Iowa and take that into consideration "five out of a possible seven" doesn't sound all that bad and is actually impressive.

And once again, the first thing a supporter of Ron Paul will tell you is that has nothing to do with the man RP that we follow him. It is the message. He just happens to be a great carrier of said message.

And yes, if he got 3% we would all say that is horrible and I would agree.

But 10% and beating a supposed front runner and then all those other considerations; it's impressive.

Originally posted by BigRed
He just happens to be a great carrier of said message.

I don't think he is the greatest of a carrier sadly.

Originally posted by BigRed
"five out of a possible seven" doesn't sound all that bad and is actually impressive.

Yeah, except not really.

If there are 7 retards participating in the special olympics and they each cross the finish line in a particular order, the guy that crossed the line in Ron Paul's position would not win a medal. Unless they hand out tin-plated teething rings in the special olypics, I don't know.

What you're really saying is that young, smart people are waiting en mass to come out and march on Washington supporting real freedom, where we're all responsible for ourselves. Well, when you hand the country over to the "freedom" for businesses to do as they wishes, then you're going to end up with a country like the one in the movie Idiocracy, with Costco treating their employees worse than Wal-Mart does now, and building stores so big you have to take a tram to the bathroom fixture section.

Originally posted by Devil King
Yeah, except not really.

If there are 7 retards participating in the special olympics and they each cross the finish line in a particular order, the guy that crossed the line in Ron Paul's position would not win a medal. Unless they hand out tin-plated teething rings in the special olypics, I don't know.

What you're really saying is that young, smart people are waiting en mass to come out and march on Washington supporting real freedom, where we're all responsible for ourselves. Well, when you hand the country over to the "freedom" for businesses to do as they wishes, then you're going to end up with a country like the one in the movie Idiocracy, with Costco treating their employees worse than Wal-Mart does now, and building stores so big you have to take a tram to the bathroom fixture section.

It's okay if you dislike his opinions, you are wrong, but that it was pretty good for him to get so much considering the predictions and the behaviour of the media is not debatable.

regardless of how good 10% in Iowa is...

isn't it odd that someone who 10% of your population's support has no real voice in government?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wal Mart is actually great. I love it.

It's okay if you dislike his opinions, you are wrong, but that it was pretty good for him to get so much considering the predictions and the behaviour of the media is not debatable.

Of course you like Wal-Mart, you're all for the sale of our government to private business, while at teh same time dismantling the government regulations that are, in theory, supposed to protect the consumer/citizen. But, the fault in that theory is that with no one to protect the citizen from teh buisness, the business will rape the citizen; drop it's self-enforced standards; and continue to become the government. Where is the liberty in that? How is that not the illusion of choice, when the market is swallowed up by a hand full of big business? This country went through that from teh oil/railroad industries, right up to Microsoft and Wal-Mart. (Who has taken political steps to bury lawsuits and congressional anti-trust actions against them.) If you love Wal-Mart, then you love the very practices that you seem to think are bad for the "liberty" of the American people.

Opinions are like assholes, we've all got them. You think you're supporting liberty; you're wrong, but you can, and will, think as you wish. You're saying the 10% who supported him, out of the percentage that voted in the -->Republican<-- caucus is some sort of grass roots revolution. But it wasn't 10% of the entire voting public of Iowa, it was a percentage of a percentage. You're buying in to the very media-created hype you profess to be thumbing your nose at.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't think he is the greatest of a carrier sadly.

Someone that has been saying it for thirty years seems all too perfect of a carrier to me.

Originally posted by Devil King
Yeah, except not really.

If there are 7 retards participating in the special olympics and they each cross the finish line in a particular order, the guy that crossed the line in Ron Paul's position would not win a medal. Unless they hand out tin-plated teething rings in the special olypics, I don't know.

What you're really saying is that young, smart people are waiting en mass to come out and march on Washington supporting real freedom, where we're all responsible for ourselves. Well, when you hand the country over to the "freedom" for businesses to do as they wishes, then you're going to end up with a country like the one in the movie Idiocracy, with Costco treating their employees worse than Wal-Mart does now, and building stores so big you have to take a tram to the bathroom fixture section.

That's the problem in itself. Most young people aren't educated and are apathetic.

Originally posted by inimalist
regardless of how good 10% in Iowa is...

isn't it odd that someone who 10% of your population's support has no real voice in government?

Originally posted by Devil King
Of course you like Wal-Mart, you're all for the sale of our government to private business, while at teh same time dismantling the government regulations that are, in theory, supposed to protect the consumer/citizen. But, the fault in that theory is that with no one to protect the citizen from teh buisness, the business will rape the citizen; drop it's self-enforced standards; and continue to become the government. Where is the liberty in that? How is that not the illusion of choice, when the market is swallowed up by a hand full of big business? This country went through that from teh oil/railroad industries, right up to Microsoft and Wal-Mart. (Who has taken political steps to bury lawsuits and congressional anti-trust actions against them.) If you love Wal-Mart, then you love the very practices that you seem to think are bad for the "liberty" of the American people.

Opinions are like assholes, we've all got them. You think you're supporting liberty; you're wrong, but you can, and will, think as you wish. You're saying the 10% who supported him, out of the percentage that voted in the -->Republican<-- caucus is some sort of grass roots revolution. But it wasn't 10% of the entire voting public of Iowa, it was a percentage of a percentage. You're buying in to the very media-created hype you profess to be thumbing your nose at.

No, you do not understand libertarian ideals, that seems to be the problem. They are not pro big business. They wouldn't even support big businesses they'd be a large problem for them. I also don't believe that 10% in the caucas is a grass roots revolution, I do KNOW though that it is much more than expected 3 months ago, and that it is more than most libertarian thinking people thought would be possible in the Republican party. The problem is you (as most other people) have bought into the constant government propaganda of how great and awesome it is and what endless stuff it does for us and how horrible everything would be if it didn't exist. Wal Mart provides cheap, good goods to basically everyone in the US. It is an amazing store, but all the leftist bullshit propaganda makes it seem to be the devil.

Originally posted by BigRed
Why's that?

He has some wrong views in my opinion. And he is a little old. He's not perfect for true libertarian messages, but as good as it gets at the moment in politics I guess.