Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, I would expect something like that.
You give people too much credit.
So, how does it figure that a Wal-Mart wouldn't end up owning people and the government in your model?
And how does the cost of living drop? Are you thinking people are going to suddenly want to live like we did in the 40's?
Originally posted by Devil King
You give people too much credit.
Nah. I just give them responsibility.
Originally posted by Devil King
So, how does it figure that a Wal-Mart wouldn't end up owning people and the government in your model?
How would they own them?
Originally posted by Devil King
And how does the cost of living drop? Are you thinking people are going to suddenly want to live like we did in the 40's?
Goods would be cheaper. People would have more money.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah. I just give them responsibility.How would they own them?
Goods would be cheaper. People would have more money.
Responsability? That's nice. But people don't want responsability. I know that sounds like a cop-out, but it's true.
Exactly the way I described yesterday. A small, weak government would be no match for a company that became what we talked about. A Wal-Mart if you will. They'd own them because that's what a businss is left to regulate itself and dictate it's own standards. "It's nothing personal, it's just business."
How do you think good will be cheaper? Supply and demand?
Originally posted by Devil King
Responsability? That's nice. But people don't want responsability. I know that sounds like a cop-out, but it's true.
They have it though. They can't just give it away and make other people take more responsibility. That's stupid and wrong.
Originally posted by Devil King
Exactly the way I described yesterday. A small, weak government would be no match for a company that became what we talked about. A Wal-Mart if you will. They'd own them because that's what a businss is left to regulate itself and dictate it's own standards. "It's nothing personal, it's just business."
How would they control them? They'd be bound by laws. They don't have to
Originally posted by Devil King
How do you think good will be cheaper? Supply and demand?
There'd be more supply due to less restrictions. The production costs would be cheaper. And the people would have more money....cause the government wouldn't steal it.
Originally posted by Devil King
You give people too much credit.So, how does it figure that a Wal-Mart wouldn't end up owning people and the government in your model?
And how does the cost of living drop? Are you thinking people are going to suddenly want to live like we did in the 40's?
I may be a bit late into this convo...but what you are describing is similar the the Large Medical/military organization called the Arch-Ministry which in the movie called Ultraviolet. You comparisons are very similar to that concept. (Where large corporations start to run everything because the national government loses more and more power to large corporations.)
Your thoughts are not ignorant or deluded. They are very real possibilities. However, there should be a balance between governing corporations and excessive Federal power.
Originally posted by Devil KingLittle tax on the goods. Cheaper production (less expensive employees, etc.), more competition. There are multiple factors why it would happen. Take WalMart already, they are cheaper than anyone else.
But, how? I don't understand how you think production costs will drop, when the business' are calling the shots. I get the idea of no taxes but I'm not following you with the notion that cutting taxes will somehow make the cost of living drop.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I may be a bit late into this convo...but what you are describing is similar the the Large Medical/military organization called the Arch-Ministry which in the movie called Ultraviolet. You comparisons are very similar to that concept. (Where large corporations start to run everything because the national government loses more and more power to large corporations.)Your thoughts are not ignorant or deluded. They are very real possibilities. However, there should be a balance between governing corporations and excessive Federal power.
DK's point is valid, as the oil, tobacco, firearm and pharmaceuticals mega-corps already have their hands in the Government, aka "special interest."
Originally posted by Bardock42
Little tax on the goods. Cheaper production (less expensive employees, etc.), more competition. There are multiple factors why it would happen. Take WalMart already, they are cheaper than anyone else.
Because they treat their employees like shit, one of the reasons at least.
Originally posted by RobtardHave you seen Penn and Teller episode on it.
Poor wages, poor benefits.
They claim that the average wage of a Walmart Employee is 3 dollars above the minimum wage. Which sounds good to me. What benefits should Wal Mart give people that work for them. And why?
Originally posted by RobtardYeah.
Isn't that phrase on the entrance to Auschwitz?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Have you seen Penn and Teller episode on it.They claim that the average wage of a Walmart Employee is 3 dollars above the minimum wage. Which sounds good to me. What benefits should Wal Mart give people that work for them. And why?
Yeah.
I haven't.
Is that accurate, didn't Walmart have an issue with employee wages/benfits early '07?
Then 'LOL' to DK for the reference.
Originally posted by RobtardYes, they do mention something like that. And they say they got punished accordingly. But to make the whole company (the United States largest employer), is pretty stupid in my opinion. It's not that WalMart is the greatest thing ever, it's that it is so irrationally hated which is irritating. Should watch the episode though, quite good.
I haven't.Is that accurate, didn't Walmart have an issue with employee wages/benfits early '07?
Then 'LOL' to DK for the reference.
Why to him? I made the joke.
Originally posted by Bardock42
How?
The scandal about locking their illegal immigrant employees in the store at night, which I can assume doesn't happen since I assume they're all 24 hrs now.
They have hundreds of law suits tied up by their legal department that address them paying less than minimum wage. It's cheaper to keep the lawsuits tied up in courts and red tape than it would be to got to trial.
They have many employees that aren't allowed to work more than 20 hours a week, becauase if they were full-time employees, they'd have to offer them insurance benefits
http://blog.wakeupwalmart.com/ufcw/2005/11/_walmart_employ.html
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/retail/walmart.htm
http://www.my3cents.com/search.cgi?criteria=Wal-mart
http://offtheshelf.us/retail/wal-mart/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48056-2005Apr12.html
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/complaints/civil/cwa/walmart2-cp.pdf <---This is the kind of crap they think they can get away with, simply because they're Wal-Mart.
Or, you could let them speak for themselves:
Christina of North Bend OR (11/19/05):
I was hired at the beginning of November 2004 at the Wal-Mart Supercenter for the holiday season. My boyfriend had already been employed there for well over a year. Let me start by saying they are hands-down the worst place to work for. Despite all your hard work and efforts, they go ignored and get you nowhere.Many of my co-workers who were trying to support their families were given just short of 40 hours a week so Wal-Mart wouldn't have to shell out for medical and dental insurance. I was given the impression by many managers that I would continue to work there after the holiday season. I hadn't missed a day, despite having a horrible cold and worked very hard to make the Housewares department a nice place to shop and help customers any way that I could.
Week by week, they slowly reduced my hours till right before Christmas, where I ended up with none. I asked my manager about the lack of hours and she reassured me that I would be back to work in two weeks. I was working to make ends meet and it's especially difficult around the holidays so when they cut my hours entirely, I was livid. I felt reassured and continued to go in and check the schedule, although I never appeared on it again.
At the end of January, I found out from a friend and co-worker that I had been laid off and they just forgot to tell me! I have still never heard from Wal-Mart or been given an apology for their actions nor do I expect it. Not to two weeks later, my boyfriend was doing a quality assurance check in the Deli, meaning he was checking to see if the food was still good to sell by taking a bite of it. He was trained at the beginning when he got hired to do just that. He was fired for "stealing" eight cents worth of food! He was really fired for doing something they taught him to do in the first place. We are both better off without Wal-Mart and we try to avoid going there if we can.
Not to mention the fact that they have gotten so large, that they are in a position to dictate the prices of products they purchase from the manufacturer, which means that if the producer of a product can't make it for teh 2 bucks walmart is willing to pay them, they are screwed because they can't sell to someone else because walmart is over 60% of the market, so no one wants the product anymore and the company goes under..
Originally posted by Bardock42
Going to make an "Arbeit macht frei" or some weird reference?
You could just cross out the walmart part and write Ron Paul's name in with a sharpie.
But, it's not a bad reference, because these poor stupid people are being ****ed by the company they work for, simply because Wal-Mart can.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, they do mention something like that. And they say they got punished accordingly. But to make the whole company (the United States largest employer), is pretty stupid in my opinion. It's not that WalMart is the greatest thing ever, it's that it is so irrationally hated which is irritating. Should watch the episode though, quite good.Why to him? I made the joke.
I'll look into it, but as DK posted below/above, they don't seem the "Uber Employer", as you might think. What he posted, pretty much supports why Wal Mart can offer things cheaper, they screw their employees.
To both of you then!