Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero- That was weak, really weak.
Spewing shit, like you with the D.I. Ryu and using the presence so that you don't have to say Ryu loses?It wasn't the TDS though, and it's a plot device anyways...
Not with the TDS though.
It's power never worked outside the feind realm.
Like you with D.I Ryu and the Presence None game characters that are against the rules, deal with it. Not tomention that the TDS is a plot device.
Don't like it, then dont use it and I won't have to tear your arguments apart.
- He used the TDS to massacre the entire Vigoorian Army in the mission mode.
- This is a perfect example of churning out bullshit.
- Again, it's power has worked against: Awakened Alma, Spirit Doku, hordes of fiends, Vigoorian soldiers, fire-breathing dragons, the Vigoor Emperor, etc., all which were not inside the fiend realm.
- You are more mentally challenged than I thought. One, using the blade in battle makes the wielder transform automatically into the D.I.; there's no way around it. Ryu has used the blade in-game. In a versus match, he has to become the D.I. if he's using the blade. The developers didn't feel like transforming him any further after he transformed into a fiend the first time. In fact, Murai as the D.I. is dubbed Fiend Murai. Ryu in his second form is dubbed Fiend Ryu. Thus, Fiend Ryu with the DDB INGAME is the D.I., since Murai is known as Fiend Murai once becoming the D.I.
You don't like it? Fine. For your sake, Ryu will not become the D.I.; Oh, and don't leave out the weapons since Ryu will effortlessly wipe out either God Rugal or Akuma with either one.
Originally posted by Xenogears
- That was weak, really weak.
Hows about a nice tall glass of STFU, you brought that on yourself with your hyperbole and bias arguments.
Originally posted by Xenogears
- He used the TDS to massacre the entire Vigoorian Army in the mission mode.
Is that Story Mode? No? then who cares...
Originally posted by Xenogears
- This is a perfect example of churning out bullshit.
Just like you... 🙄
Originally posted by Xenogears
- Again, it's power has worked against: Awakened Alma, Spirit Doku, hordes of fiends, Vigoorian soldiers, fire-breathing dragons, the Vigoor Emperor, etc., all which were not inside the fiend realm.
My bad, I should have said anyone connected to it. Just ask Asthar, the powers don't work on unknown factors.
Originally posted by Xenogears
- You are more mentally challenged than I thought. One, using the blade in battle makes the wielder transform automatically into the D.I.; there's no way around it. Ryu has used the blade in-game. In a versus match, he has to become the D.I. if he's using the blade. The developers didn't feel like transforming him any further after he transformed into a fiend the first time. In fact, Murai as the D.I. is dubbed Fiend Murai. Ryu in his second form is dubbed Fiend Ryu. Thus, Fiend Ryu with the DDB INGAME is the D.I., since Murai is known as Fiend Murai once becoming the D.I.
Me mentally challenged... your theone who keeps using it you unbeleivable fool, Ryu never used the blade in the story, never became Feind Ryu and never, I repeat NEVER TRANSFORMED!
So shut up for onceand admit Ryu has lost to a 2d fighter with his weapons intact thats not a darkstalker.
Originally posted by Xenogears
You don't like it? Fine. For your sake, Ryu will not become the D.I.; Oh, and don't leave out the weapons since Ryu will effortlessly wipe out either God Rugal or Akuma with either one.
It'snot foranyones sake Cloud, I couldn't care less what concessions you wantto hand out because thats not why I debate, I debate to makesure people get the correct information when they debate, and to make sure that they are debated fairly without Bias. You on the other hand seem dogged determined to make sure DOA/Tekken/Final Fantasy rule the roost here.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero- By god, you are retarded. That discussion was only between me and remmy and had NOTHING to do with anything else. Do you understand?
Hows about a nice tall glass of STFU, you brought that on yourself with your hyperbole and bias arguments.Is that Story Mode? No? then who cares...
Just like you... 🙄
My bad, I should have said anyone connected to it. Just ask Asthar, the powers don't work on unknown factors.
Me mentally challenged... your theone who keeps using it you unbeleivable fool, Ryu never used the blade in the story, never became Feind Ryu and never, I repeat NEVER TRANSFORMED!
So shut up for onceand admit Ryu has lost to a 2d fighter with his weapons intact thats not a darkstalker.
It'snot foranyones sake Cloud, I couldn't care less what concessions you wantto hand out because thats not why I debate, I debate to makesure people get the correct information when they debate, and to make sure that they are debated fairly without Bias. You on the other hand seem dogged determined to make sure DOA/Tekken/Final Fantasy rule the roost here.
- Who cares? God Rugal was part of no story; was just part of a shitty noncanonical game. You're complaining Ryu didn't use the blade in the story?
- I don't say bullshit my friend, and by that you just admitted that you're a bullshitter 😆
- Ashtar has mood swings.
- Yes he has in fact. Hayabusa becomes Fiend Ryu at one point in the game.
- Admit Rugal has no chance against Ryu with the TDS and, Fiend Ryu.
- I try to correct bullshit, some of which is said by you. By bias, you mean people like shin remmy and TricksterPriest, right? Since I've seen quite a number of members here say they spout bullshit all over this board. As for your last statement, you're pretty much as delusional as poor TricksterPriest. I said Vincent Valentine and Cloud would get murdered by Dante. I said Hayabusa loses to Alucard. I mentioned that Steve Fox would lose to Balrog, etc.
Originally posted by Xenogears
- By god, you are retarded. That discussion was only between me and remmy and had NOTHING to do with anything else. Do you understand?
I don't care if the conversation was bitween you and God himself, if it appears on my screen, I'll argue itif I want to. Next time you want to have a private convo with someone, do it in a PM.
Originally posted by Xenogears
- Who cares? God Rugal was part of no story; was just part of a shitty noncanonical game. You're complaining Ryu didn't use the blade in the story?
G.Rugal was argued separately you tard... that was the difference, Ryu on the other hand was argued as a whole,despite theOP dictating that the NG stuff was notadmissablefor the debate. You still HAD to bring up that stuff to save face. Then attacked G.Rugals canon validity whilist using the DDB and D.I as amedium toscorea victory, you sir, are a HYPOCRITE of the highest order.
Originally posted by Xenogears
- I don't say bullshit my friend, and by that you just admitted that you're a bullshitter 😆
NoI didn't, I asked a question... 🙄
Originally posted by Xenogears
- Ashtar has mood swings.
Thats no excuse for you, C-Master skooled you, Asthar tore apart your arguments... If Anyone here as counter-knowlege to you for NG, it's him, and because he is far more reasonable than you seem to be, I'll take his word.
Originally posted by Xenogears
- Yes he has in fact. Hayabusa becomes Fiend Ryu at one point in the game.
Not in story, since he never used the sword.
Originally posted by Xenogears
- Admit Rugal has no chance against Ryu with the TDS and, Fiend Ryu.
Why? you've offered nothing as proof. that Ryu can beat him. Your A>B>C logic andplot devices areall out the window, asis your non-existant transformation arguments. howsabout actually biting the bullet Xeno.
Originally posted by Xenogears
- I try to correct bullshit, some of which is said by you. By bias, you mean people like shin remmy and TricksterPriest, right? Since I've seen quite a number of members here say they spout bullshit all over this board. As for your last statement, you're pretty much as delusional as poor TricksterPriest. I said Vincent Valentine and Cloud would get murdered by Dante. I said Hayabusa loses to Alucard. I mentioned that Steve Fox would lose to Balrog, etc.
What bullshit have I spouted that I have not either admitted to or corrected myself on? yeah thats right, nothing,I have the courage to admit when IAM WRONG, unlike you. By bias, I mean even when proven horribly wrong, you never ever admit it Cloud, thats a very irritating habbit of yours, you keep going despite being PROVEN wrong. your arguments are ill,contrived, they rely on misguided information you dredge up from places like answers.com and Wiki.
If I'm delusional, then your just plain f@$#ed... Those areobvious, but you've never admitteditin a close battle,plus you ALWAYS say SOMETHING that allows you thepleasureof saying Ryu wins. you can't leave well enough alone can you?
Originally posted by Xenogears
- By god, you are retarded. That discussion was only between me and remmy and had NOTHING to do with anything else. Do you understand?- Who cares? God Rugal was part of no story; was just part of a shitty noncanonical game. You're complaining Ryu didn't use the blade in the story?
- I don't say bullshit my friend, and by that you just admitted that you're a bullshitter 😆
- Ashtar has mood swings.
- Yes he has in fact. Hayabusa becomes Fiend Ryu at one point in the game.
- Admit Rugal has no chance against Ryu with the TDS and, Fiend Ryu.
- I try to correct bullshit, some of which is said by you. By bias, you mean people like shin remmy and TricksterPriest, right? Since I've seen quite a number of members here say they spout bullshit all over this board. As for your last statement, you're pretty much as delusional as poor TricksterPriest. I said Vincent Valentine and Cloud would get murdered by Dante. I said Hayabusa loses to Alucard. I mentioned that Steve Fox would lose to Balrog, etc.
You're trying to claim a discussion in a forum topic is private? shocklaugh Yeah, go pull the other one.
You're saying CVS is a shitty game?! jawdrop Guess what they say about pearls before swine is true.
You sir, are revealed as the bullshitter.
So now you use ad hominem attacks to scourge Ashtar cause he's calling you on your BS?
Fiend Ryu is NOT DDB-equipped Ryu. Ryu has never become the D.I. in-canon.
I was going to concede that Hayabusa has a shot with his sword, but since everything you said is now dubious, ( and you still haven't proved the sword's power on opponents outside the ones it was designed to combat, or that he could even hit Rugal with a one-shot to begin with), I'll say you're full of shit and Hayabusa gets stomped. The ONLY reason I have been hesitant, is because I haven't played much of NG. However, I'm willing to take Ashtar and Darkstorm's word that you are distorting things. Not to mention your own arguements are based on heresay, hyperbole, and speculation.
You have a severe blindspot when it comes to Hayabusa. You resort to crap like calling in TOAA, the presence or the bosses in NG and saying that because Ryu has a plot device, he can beat people who far exceed him in power. You haven't proved the plot device is active outside the games or that it even works against non-fiends, etc.
I'm delusional? Then you sir, believe you are Napoleon, George Washington, Stalin, Ramses the 2nd, and about 20 other people. In other words, you're batshit crazy. 😛
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThen do me a favor. Don't argue bs in an argument you initially knew nothing about and wasn't part of.
I don't care if the conversation was bitween you and God himself, if it appears on my screen, I'll argue itif I want to. Next time you want to have a private convo with someone, do it in a PM.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroArmed Ryu was argued separately you knob. G. Rugal was brought up countless times in this thread despite him not being legal to the topic, and if he was, it shows just how weak he is if he has to be put up against a holding back Hayabusa so that he can win.
G.Rugal was argued separately you tard... that was the difference, Ryu on the other hand was argued as a whole,despite theOP dictating that the NG stuff was notadmissablefor the debate. You still HAD to bring up that stuff to save face.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI brought up Fiend Ryu after a dipshit brought up G. Rugal just for the heck of it. Initially I did not argue for Fiend Ryu. I argued Armed Ryu would kill Omega Rugal. Speaking of hypocrisy, I'm not the one criticizing people of using A>B>C logic and then asking why Ryu can't keep up with a Mishima if Paul Pheonix can.
Then attacked G.Rugals canon validity whilist using the DDB and D.I as amedium toscorea victory, you sir, are a HYPOCRITE of the highest order.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroYeah go read the entire 8th page on this thread to see who schooled who. Plus, Ashtar contradicted himself on that occasion. Hence why I didn't need to prove him wrong since he did that for me already. Take his word if you like; you're only happy that it makes you think G. Rugal can actually win against Armed Ryu.
Thats no excuse for you, C-Master skooled you, Asthar tore apart your arguments... If Anyone here as counter-knowlege to you for NG, it's him, and because he is far more reasonable than you seem to be, I'll take his word.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroAnd G. Rugal does not exist in any story. Point?
Not in story, since he never used the sword.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroStrange how you contradict yourself now denying that Rugal wouldn't lose, yet saying before he will lose against Armed Ryu, the D.I., or the V.E.; What A>B>C logic do you speak of? I mentioned what the D.I. is capable of, which is shown in the game. I pointed out how one hit from the DDB took a person out of existence; even the Soul Edge isn't powerful enough to do that yet. What makes you or anyone else think G. Rugal would still be standing after he was attacked several times by the blade? By the way, G. Rugal is considered equal to Shin Gouki. In this thread, everyone agreed Shin Gouki gets his ass handed to him by Armed Ryu. In fact, you were part of the pack, so to say G. Rugal would win against Armed Ryu is somewhat contradictory in your case. Wouldn't you agree? Oh, and Ryu has transformed as a result of receiving the curse from Doku.
Why? you've offered nothing as proof. that Ryu can beat him. Your A>B>C logic andplot devices areall out the window, asis your non-existant transformation arguments. howsabout actually biting the bullet Xeno.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroLet's go over them shall we?
What bullshit have I spouted that I have not either admitted to or corrected myself on?
1. Saying Ryu didn't transform into Fiend Ryu despite the fact that he did.
2. Saying he never used the TDS outside the Fiend Realm despite the fact that he fought there only once against some of the Greater Fiends.
3. Saying the TDS only works on certain enemies despite the fact that it kills every enemy in the game.
4. Saying the D.I.'s abilites can only be speculated when they have been demonstrated in the game, etc...
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroWhat have you proved me wrong in? I've proved you wrong on all the points just mentioned above and you've yet to admit your errors. That's pretty ironic.
yeah thats right, nothing,I have the courage to admit when IAM WRONG, unlike you. By bias, I mean even when proven horribly wrong, you never ever admit it Cloud, thats a very irritating habbit of yours, you keep going despite being PROVEN wrong.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroWhat have I said that came from wiki. You shouldn't even talk since you obviously know nothing of NG by saying Ryu only used the TDS in the Fiend realm, and that the blade only works on certain enemies. Despite being ignorant, you ignore every piece of evidence that is given. Before, you weren't like this.
your arguments are ill,contrived, they rely on misguided information you dredge up from places like answers.com and Wiki.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI was right. You are delusional.
If I'm delusional, then your just plain f@$#ed... Those areobvious, but you've never admitteditin a close battle,plus you ALWAYS say SOMETHING that allows you thepleasureof saying Ryu wins. you can't leave well enough alone can you?
Originally posted by TricksterPriestAn off-topic discussion? Yes I am, and it was. Truth hurts doesn't it?
You're trying to claim a discussion in a forum topic is private? shocklaugh.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestLol, I didn't know a fan would get pissed off at a comment like that. hysterical
You're saying CVS is a shitty game?! jawdrop Guess what they say about pearls before swine is true.You sir, are revealed as the bullshitter.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestG. Rugal is not canon. Your point pal?
So now you use ad hominem attacks to scourge Ashtar cause he's calling you on your BS? Fiend Ryu is NOT DDB-equipped Ryu. Ryu has never become the D.I. in-canon.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestThis weak and pathetic argument has been shot down a countless number of times.
I was going to concede that Hayabusa has a shot with his sword, but since everything you said is now dubious, ( and you still haven't proved the sword's power on opponents outside the ones it was designed to combat, or that he could even hit Rugal with a one-shot to begin with), I'll say you're full of shit and Hayabusa gets stomped. The ONLY reason I have been hesitant, is because I haven't played much of NG. However, I'm willing to take Ashtar and Darkstorm's word that you are distorting things. Not to mention your own arguements are based on heresay, hyperbole, and speculation.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestI just had to laugh at this.
You have a severe blindspot when it comes to Hayabusa. You resort to crap like calling in TOAA,
Originally posted by TricksterPriestThe blade is his you knob. He can use it if he wants since he uses it in the game. Armed Ryu can take down the V.E., an opponent G. Rugal or Shin Gouki would not ever dream of fighting, savvy? Fiend Ryu actually has more power than G. Rugal and shit gouki combined, since with the DDB he owns the Dark Dragon my friend, a being who's been growing in power since the dawn of history. In fact, the V.E.'s display of power was drawn from the blade when he was transforming into the D.I.
the presence or the bosses in NG and saying that because Ryu has a plot device, he can beat people who far exceed him in power.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestMy that's the weakest and most pathetic argument I've heard from someone the likes of even you. That's like saying there's no proof of the Satsui no Hadou being active outside the games.
You haven't proved the plot device is active outside the games
Originally posted by TricksterPriestYes I have. Just for the heck of it I'll give the proof again which I know your fanboyism will deny.
or that it even works against non-fiends, etc.
1. It has killed fire-breathing dragons, fossilized dinosaurs, enemy spirits, etc.
2. It has worked against Vigoor, the demon of destruction.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestI'm not offended seeing as it's coming from someone people sending me pms call a dense fanboy.
I'm delusional? Then you sir, believe you are Napoleon, George Washington, Stalin, Ramses the 2nd, and about 20 other people. In other words, you're batshit crazy. 😛
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Me mentally challenged... your theone who keeps using it you unbeleivable fool, Ryu never used the blade in the story, never became Feind Ryu and never, I repeat NEVER TRANSFORMED!
Fiend Ryu and Dark Dragon Blade Ryu are different. Fiend Ryu canonically exists while Dark Dragon Blade Ryu is merely the dream of a poster we all know and love.
Originally posted by StyleTime-Doesn't matter if he demonstrated the increase or not. With the TDS, he's a more fierce opponent than with the DDB.
Ryu did become Fiend Ryu canonically in Ninja Gaiden. However, he recieved absolutely no upgrade in power. Xenogears would have a point, but Fiend Ryu has never once demonstrated an increase in power from Ryu.Fiend Ryu and Dark Dragon Blade Ryu are different. Fiend Ryu canonically exists while Dark Dragon Blade Ryu is merely the dream of a poster we all know and love.
-Know that G. Rugal, a noncanonical character who's inadmissible is being used in the thread. For that reason and only that reason, D. Ryu is being used. Just keep that in mind.
Originally posted by Xenogears
-Doesn't matter if he demonstrated the increase or not. With the TDS, he's a more fierce opponent than with the DDB.
It's speculatory just how strong he is though, by your own admission BTW
Originally posted by Xenogears
-Know that G. Rugal, a noncanonical character who's inadmissible is being used in the thread. For that reason and only that reason, D. Ryu is being used. Just keep that in mind.
He isn't inadmissable Xeno, the fact that he IS a videogame character (Acually appearing in a videogame allows this qualification, just like SFers Evil Ryu) proves this, whereas, Hayabusa D.I. hasn't,thats the difference,call it a technacality in the rules if you must, but thats the rules. Nowhere does it say non-canon characters can be used in the rules section, however, it does say clearly that a character MUST originate in a game, which Ryu D.I. is sadly lacking, since he'snever appeared ANYWHERE. Besides, Ryu D.I's abilities are still speculation despite the DDB's capabilities being set, the reason for thisis because the VE's abilities differedfrom Murai's despitethe Set capability rule. yousee, nobody can tell what other capabilities Ryu could gain if he became D.I.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero-Never said this.
It's speculatory just how strong he is though, by your own admission BTWHe isn't inadmissable Xeno, the fact that he IS a videogame character (Acually appearing in a videogame allows this qualification, just like SFers Evil Ryu) proves this, whereas, Hayabusa D.I. hasn't,thats the difference,call it a technacality in the rules if you must, but thats the rules. Nowhere does it say non-canon characters can be used in the rules section, however, it does say clearly that a character MUST originate in a game, which Ryu D.I. is sadly lacking, since he'snever appeared ANYWHERE. Besides, Ryu D.I's abilities are still speculation despite the DDB's capabilities being set, the reason for thisis because the VE's abilities differedfrom Murai's despitethe Set capability rule. yousee, nobody can tell what other capabilities Ryu could gain if he became D.I.
-Ryu as the D.I. is a character that would exist if Ryu's given the Dark Dragon Blade to use, since as stated and proven by me a number of times I can't count, anyone using the blade in battle turns into the Devil Incarnate. See Ninja Gaiden (Xbox) intro on youtube for confirmation. 😬
It's like arguing that a pulverized Akuma would exist in a fight despite that never being shown in a game. It's something that would happen, if, for example, he was fighting against someone who he couldn't defeat. This is the same concept as Ryu using the Dark Dragon Blade in a battle, and for the record, he had it canonically.
-Speculation, right...even though Ryu would still have the moves he originally had, all his abilities would be speculation...haermm
The fact of the matter is he would attain the same extent of power Murai recieved, since he wielded it around the same time Murai did. The explosion occurring within the volcano Ryu came out of just knocked the blade out of his hand, and that's when Murai picked up the blade and transformed into a stronger D.I. than the VE was. 😬
-And for laughs, this guy used to argue for a full-powered Morrigan despite her "abilities" being speculation, since, after all, Belial's abilities are different than her's (using same exact logic).
Originally posted by Triple SixAnd I wonder how this relates to what I argued. 😕
D.I Hayabusa, does not exist anywhere, his name has never even been mentioned in any thing involving Tecmo.
As for the topic, all matches are one-sided in Ryu's favor, and I mean all of them. In the first round, we have a normal Rugal versus Hayabusa in a strict H2H fight. Ryu has more and superior showings than Rugal in H2H, Ryu wins.
In the second round, they're allowed to use all their potential without the use of weapons. Let's see, Ryu can electrify him, incinerate him, freeze him, vaporize him with his energy, and as of Ninja Gaiden 2, can create blades out of thin air to dice up opponents around him, not to mention Ryu is faster than Rugal, has a greater reaction time, and unlike Rugal, has teleportation.
In the last fight, we have Omega Rugal versus Ryu Hayabusa with the True Dragon Sword. Wow...due to Rugal's evil nature, how will he stand a chance against the spiritual power of the TDS? It's utterly laughable. I don't see how he'll withstand even a single hit from the weapon, and yes, Ryu can strike him easily. As for Rugal...