Rugal Bernstein vs. Ryu Hayabusa

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ahem. Plot device sword. the TDS is the plot device sword. With just the dragon sword, he still dies.

Wait, did I give him the TDS? 😑 oops. 😮 my bad. I still don't see how it'll help that much. I mean, it's not like he can hit Rugal with it, or dodge the SGS. 😈

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It'sa real shame that Haya has never and will never be the Devil Incarnate, whereas G.Rugal atleast has been a playable, assessable character.

You have to speculate entirely on what Ryu's abilities would be as the Devil Incarnate, I could easily say he shits all over every fighting game character ever created, I have no proofof this, but nobody has any proof to the contrary... Thisis why the DevilIncarnate argument is never going tobe allowed.

Originally posted by Xenogears
Neither has Rugal ever become God Rugal, and unlike Rugal, Ryu can become the Devil if we use him at an instant in the game. Then he'd only need to change his intention in the fight and transform, since the blade works only on those wicked enough - Ayane. Plus, you don't have to speculate what his attacks will be. The blade itself gives the wielder the power of the Dark Dragon who's power is comparable to Vigoor's. One mere attack from the blade disintegrated a human being in a mere instant. That's considered with the fact Murai's abilities came naturally as a result of transforming. Before, he couldn't create magical shurikens out of thin air. He couldn't fly, nor was he able to summon a black dragon. Not sure if was able to teleport before but he was teleporting when he transformed. Ryu would still have what he as, such as chi attacks, ninpo, and teleportation. All which wouldn't be needed if he became the D.I.

You missed what I was getting at entirely.....

G.Rugal = Playable Character in CVS2

Ryu as the Devil Incarnate = Has never been a playable character

There'sthe difference for you. Because G.R. is an identifiable characterthat anyone can pickupandplaymakes himslightly more legitimate because basedon this we can determine his capabilities, whereas if you attempt to speculate with Ryu, all you get is theory without anything to back it up.

Last timeI checked, the DD wasn'ta usableor even observable character in any game either.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You missed what I was getting at entirely.....

G.Rugal = Playable Character in CVS2

Ryu as the Devil Incarnate = Has never been a playable character

There'sthe difference for you. Because G.R. is an identifiable characterthat anyone can pickupandplaymakes himslightly more legitimate because basedon this we can determine his capabilities, whereas if you attempt to speculate with Ryu, all you get is theory without anything to back it up.

Last timeI checked, the DD wasn'ta usableor even observable character in any game either.

God Rugal learned his moves overtime. Unless he instantly learned them all when he achieved Satsui no Hadou or Akuma's power, whichever one it was, he had to learn them himself. Murai learned all of his moves automatically again, as a result of transforming into a being who an evil person would become wielding the blade. Prior to that, Murai couldn't do anything that he did when he transformed. Knowing that, the D.I.'s abilities are fixed. Someone else wielding the DDB would become the same being mentioned in the text and prologue of the game, the D.I.

Originally posted by Xenogears
Actually he was, in Ninja Gaiden. Murai transformed into the D.I. and he's one of the most powerful villains in the game. All of his attacks were demontrated added with the fact his power is equal to the Dark Dragon's. In fact, anyone as the D.I. is as powerful as the Dark Dragon. I can't count the number of times I've proven that with all the references and examples I gave.

Then what the hell does the D.I. have to do with Ryu?! Dude, it make not one goddamn bit of difference if someone else used it, my point is RYU NEVER DID, and therefore he cannot be used in a debate...

Geeze thats like me saying SFer Ryu gave into the Dark Hadou and the Psycho Power becoming SFers god of destruction and destroyed planet after planet effortlessly. And because Ryu became close to doing that in Alpha 3, under your logic, that makes Psycho Evil Ryu a legitimate character in a debate because the possibility is there.

Originally posted by Xenogears
God Rugal learned his moves overtime. Unless he instantly learned them all when he achieved Satsui no Hadou or Akuma's power, whichever one it was, he had to learn them himself. Murai learned all of his moves automatically again, as a result of transforming into a being who an evil person would become wielding the blade. Prior to that, Murai couldn't do anything that he did when he transformed. Knowing that, the D.I.'s abilities are fixed. Someone else wielding the DDB would become the same being mentioned in the text and prologue of the game, the D.I.

He learned the Ashura Senku and the Shun Goku Satsu by stealing Akuma's Dark Hadou.

As for the rest, see above rant, I beleive that covered it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Then what the hell does the D.I. have to do with Ryu?! Dude, it make not one goddamn bit of difference if someone else used it, my point is RYU NEVER DID, and therefore he cannot be used in a debate...

Geeze thats like me saying SFer Ryu gave into the Dark Hadou and the Psycho Power becoming SFers god of destruction and destroyed planet after planet effortlessly. And because Ryu became close to doing that in Alpha 3, under your logic, that makes Psycho Evil Ryu a legitimate character in a debate because the possibility is there.

He learned the Ashura Senku and the Shun Goku Satsu by stealing Akuma's Dark Hadou.

As for the rest, see above rant, I beleive that covered it.

Ryu wielding the blade canonically: Check

A person's choice of becoming good or evil: Check

The D.I.'s power being equal to the Dark Dragon's: Check

The Dark Dragon's power being even greater than Vigoor's: Check

The D.I.'s abilities being fixed: Check

Last but not least, being able to debate a character at any particular point in the game's story: Check. That means we can use Ryu when he grasped the blade.

He may have not become the D.I., but with the evidence I gave up top proves that it's possible in a versus match. Reason it shouldn't be brought up is that it hasn't happened canonically which I know. It however is not like it can't happen. Using noncanonical characters enables D.R. or Devil Ryu, in topics where Ryu as the D.I.'s involved, since the D.I. was shown in a videogame.

Was Hayabusa as the D.I. a playable character, how do you get him?

Originally posted by Xenogears
It seems you keep forgetting Ryu has wielded the blade already. It's been mentioned if someone becomes wicked and wields the blade, he or she will become the D.I. Now let's see what's been covered already.

He has never become the D.I though, which is the entire point of your argument, so hows about dropping it?

Originally posted by Xenogears
Ryu wielding the blade canonically: Check

A person's choice of becoming good or evil: Check

The D.I.'s power being equal to the Dark Dragon's: Check

The Dark Dragon's power being even greater than Vigoor's: Check

The D.I.'s abilities being fixed: Check

Last but not least, being able to debate a character at any particular point in the game's story: Check. That means we can use Ryu when he grasped the blade.

But not becoming D.I which is the point...

Originally posted by Xenogears
He may have not become the D.I., but with the evidence I gave up top proves that it's possible in a versus match. Reason it shouldn't be brought up is that it hasn't happened canonically which I know. It however is not like it can't happen. Using noncanonical characters enables D.R. or Devil Ryu, in topics where Ryu as the D.I.'s involved, since the D.I. was shown in a videogame.

No it doesn't, at least G.Rugal has been shown, canon or not, whereas D.I Ryu has not, right there is the deciding factor.

G.Rugal = Playable

D.I. Ryu = Not Playable

I'm not going to explain this to you again, D.I Ryu is even less than non-canon, he's non-existant. Let it go Cloud.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

D.I. Ryu = Not Playable

Originally posted by Remulous
So he's not playable?...DAMN!
Why the hell does he keep popping up in this thread then?!

Originally posted by Remulous
So he's not playable?...DAMN!
Why the hell does he keep popping up in this thread then?!

It's lessthan that, he's never appeared at all. Not one cutscene or observation.

As forwhy Cloud keeps bringing it up... it's anybody's guess...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I'm not going to explain this to you again, D.I Ryu is even less than non-canon, he's non-existant. Let it go Cloud.

Excuse me? Where does it say Non-cannon characters arn't allowed? Itonly says that Non-Videogame characters arn't allowed, and since D.I Ryu hasn'tappearedin ANY game,and G.Rugal has, your shit out of luck pal.

Originally posted by Xenogears
Show me where it says noncanonical characters are allowed to be debated here and where it says nonplayable, yet possible characters aren't.

Under that logic though, Belial Aensland also cannot be used in debates Remulus, Sorry dude, but I cannot play favourites,concerning the rules...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Excuse me? Where does it say Non-cannon characters arn't allowed? Itonly says that Non-Videogame characters arn't allowed, and since D.I Ryu hasn'tappearedin ANY game,and G.Rugal has, your shit out of luck pal.

Originally posted by Remulous
I never said that.
I just wanna know why he keeps popping up if he never even existed and was he playable? I am just very disapointed in the fact that their is no such thing as a D.I. Hayabusa.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Under that logic though, Belial Aensland also cannot be used in debates Remulus, Sorry dude, but I cannot play favourites,concerning the rules...

Originally posted by Xenogears
In the versus rule thread, if you bothered skimming through it. In fact, I posted where it said that in another thread I was debating you in. Sucks that G. Rugal or any noncanonical character you like arguing for is as invalid as D. Ryu.

Read it again, it doesn't say that Non Canon Characters can't be debated... It says that in a debate that uses only official information, non-canon material isn't admissable. This means information that directly interferes with the official story.

G.Rugal does notinterfere with the original story if it's debated as aseparate character, this is doable because G.Rugalhas appeared in a separate game,whereas D.I. Ryu hasn't appeared anywhere but in your mind.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Read it again, it doesn't say that Non Canon Characters can't be debated... It says that in a debate that uses only official information, non-canon material isn't admissable. This means information that directly interferes with the official story.

G.Rugal does notinterfere with the original story if it's debated as aseparate character, this is doable because G.Rugalhas appeared in a separate game,whereas D.I. Ryu hasn't appeared anywhere but in your mind.

-Again, doesn't change the fact that he can, which I've proved I don't know how many times by now.