Originally posted by Cloud_VIIWhere in my post did I imply that you said Ryu cannot lose, go and point that out for me.
Not really I've said before that Ryu along with Rachel would lose to Vergil and Dante. I've also said Ryu could lose to Cloud. He could lose to a number of others. Saying that he could win is not implying that he would win outright. It's just arguing that he could win...
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIThere is nothing wrong with asking for proof in a debate. Nothing wrong with wanting proof to a claim. I just think there's something wrong when everytime something is brought up, someone says "prove it" especially when it's known to the general public, it just looks like someone doesn't even read/know about the media. If someone said, "Bison could blow up the earth by blinking an eye!" then I could see what you mean. Otherwise it looks like a way to stall when you ask for it all the time.
I gave the similar example of saying Tina would kill M. Bison with no effort since this is apparently a debate involving no proof of anything.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIMany characters make "after images of themselves" God Rugal has a warping ability. Unblockable attacks, good range, power attacks, and several advanced death attacks. He is basically on S. Gouki's level, a God Tier character.
Ryu's speed creates after images of himself and range does not factor much since he has the ability to teleport. Also, he can use explosive arrows and APFSDS cores as long range weapons.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIProve it. 😉
Alright M. Bison isn't beating Tina because I said so.
Oh and I never said "beause I said so", my point is that an attitude that was presented shows that no matter of "proof" would convince most otherwise in the first place.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Where in my post did I imply that you said Ryu cannot lose, go and point that out for me.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There is nothing wrong with asking for proof in a debate. Nothing wrong with wanting proof to a claim. I just think there's something wrong when everytime something is brought up, someone says "prove it" especially when it's known to the general public, it just looks like someone doesn't even read/know about the media. If someone said, "Bison could blow up the earth by blinking an eye!" then I could see what you mean. Otherwise it looks like a way to stall when you ask for it all the time.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Many characters make "after images of themselves" God Rugal has a warping ability.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Unblockable attacks,
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
good range,
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power attacks, and several advanced death attacks.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He is basically on S. Gouki's level, a God Tier character.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Prove it. 😉
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh and I never said "beause I said so", my point is that an attitude that was presented shows that no matter of "proof" would convince most otherwise in the first place.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIBecause you were the one who went and brought up how you thought Ryu lost to several people and I never brought up that you didn't say he could lose. This bad communicating of yours makes it look like you were trying to defend the point that you don't think he's as unbeatable as you make him out to be... which you kind do...
Where in my post did I imply that you said that I claimed Ryu cannot lose, go and point that out for me.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIDo you mean only with his huge plot-device sword, that granted him a plot device win? This was worse than when Snake fanboys said Snake beats everyone because he beat Cyber Ninja.
Yeah it's quite obvious Rugal does not win this match unless you can at least convince me that he's more powerful than the devil Incarnate (both versions of him)
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIFirstly this makes no sense, teleportation IS going from one place to another instantly... 😕
Ryu can teleport instantly.
There are characters in both fighting game series who teleport and aren't as strong as Rugal, does teleporting grant an instant win? Does it make him unhittable now?
God Rugal has ways of getting around too...
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
To the cast of KOF.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIRugal and Shin Gouki can fire island (and much more) destroying blasts in the air.
Ryu can shoot down crows that are thousands of feet in the air.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIThis is starting to sound fanboyish. "This character can kill almost anyone." I don't think Rugal can kill anyone, but I sure as hell think he's one of the most powerful fighting characters around. Rugal has several annihilating attacks, his whole style is based off of it. "Genocide Cutter" "God Press" " God Walk" "G- End"... he can kill just about any fighter with those. Unless you're going DBZ tier, or Darkstalker Tier.
Ryu has annihilating attacks and can kill just about anyone with the DDB or the TDS.
BTW do you think Ryu would beat Jedah with his sword?
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIMy job isn't to *make* you see anything, I don't do that because some people just won't be convinced that what they love loses. But that doesn't mean noone has shown you anything was my initial point in the first place.
Still not convinced.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Since you apparently can't prove Rugal can beat Ryu
And you can't do Vice Versa.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
I'm going to say M. Bison doesn't stand a chance in hell against Tina because I don't think I can prove that either.
What you said doesn't even make sense. You were supposed to be dissing me right?
Originally posted by Cloud_VIII am familiar with Gaiden, and yes I know he's powerful. I don't think he wins against top tiers without his sword, and I don't think he beats the absolutely most powerful with his sword.
Well you haven't said anything that convinced me. How about playing Ninja Gaiden or finding out about it since I don't only study one side of the debate. I try getting all the knowledge I can on Rugal and I haven't read upon anything that would prove a match for Hayabusa. Oh, and Rugal's not winning due to popular vote.
Popular votes mean squat nowadays, they can be manipulated and trolled with ease. Most people who *posted* here agreed that G. Rugal wins, and he definitely wins hand to hand and without Ryu having the sword.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because you were the one who went and brought up how you thought Ryu lost to several people and I never brought up that you didn't say he could lose. This bad communicating of yours makes it look like you were trying to defend the point that you don't think he's as unbeatable as you make him out to be... which you kind do...Do you mean only with his huge plot-device sword, that granted him a plot device win? This was worse than when Snake fanboys said Snake beats everyone because he beat Cyber Ninja.
Firstly this makes no sense, teleportation IS going from one place to another instantly... 😕
There are characters in both fighting game series who teleport and aren't as strong as Rugal, does teleporting grant an instant win? Does it make him unhittable now?
God Rugal has ways of getting around too...
No, to everyone who faced the raging demon. How do you block a grab move that is one of the most powerful attacks around. Prove your assumption to me, oh wait you can't?
Rugal and Shin Gouki can fire island (and much more) destroying blasts in the air.
This is starting to sound fanboyish. "This character can kill almost anyone." I don't think Rugal can kill anyone, but I sure as hell think he's one of the most powerful fighting characters around. Rugal has several annihilating attacks, his whole style is based off of it. "Genocide Cutter" "God Press" " God Walk" "G- End"... he can kill just about any fighter with those. Unless you're going DBZ tier, or Darkstalker Tier.
BTW do you think Ryu would beat Jedah with his sword?
My job isn't to *make* you see anything, I don't do that because some people just won't be convinced that what they love loses. But that doesn't mean noone has shown you anything was my initial point in the first place.
And you can't do Vice Versa.
What you said doesn't even make sense. You were supposed to be dissing me right?
I am familiar with Gaiden, and yes I know he's powerful. I don't think he wins against top tiers without his sword, and I don't think he beats the absolutely most powerful with his sword.
Popular votes mean squat nowadays, they can be manipulated and trolled with ease. Most people who *posted* here agreed that G. Rugal wins, and he definitely wins hand to hand and without Ryu having the sword.
- ....ok...and just what have you said that makes it seem like Rugal will win besides "Ryu's just not beating Rugal"?
- Not all teleportation happens instantly in games. I can give a few examples. I'm just pointing out that it's instant in this case. I was also pointing that out because you mentioned Rugal has a warping ability. I'm countering your facts with mine.
- Ok...who outside of KOF are you speaking of? A grab? Haha, oh yeah Hayabusa better watch out for that...how about trying to block a Storm of the Heavenly Dragon, eh? Try proving Rugal would have a way around that.
- When has Akuma or Rugal fired island destroying blasts in the air? If so, why didn't they just destroy battlegrounds and blast their opponents to smithereens?
- You obviously do not know much about the Dragon Sword. In it's true form, it holds unimaginable power that is even greater than the Dark Dragon Blade's. That's stating facts, that's not fanboyish. Also, I'm not giving my opinion on that question since I'm not knowledgable on Jedah.
- I was convinced several times about who Ryu would lose to. In fact, you can go to the Hayabusa gauntlet thread to see who I stated Ryu would lose to. As for why I'm not convinced, I don't see Rugal standing after Ryu decapitates him with his sword, and he has moves that makes him invulnerable in the process. Added he has a plasma sword as well, and up to three talismans of rebirth that revive him each time he dies.
- I could if I wanted to, since I'm getting more knowledge on Rugal as we speak. Also, if you admit that you can't prove Rugal would win why were you saying in the beginning he isn't beating Rugal?
- No. I was going by that claim because you were making a claim that you show you can't prove.
- I agree. He can lose to top tiers without his sword. From the beginning, you were saying Ryu cannot win with his sword, which is ridiculous.
- People here know little about Ninja Gaiden apparently. I've seen a number of SF/KOF fans that seem obssessed with top tiers like Akuma, Geese Howard, etc. Also, I've noticed a lot of ignorance about DOA's top tiers, as no one but a few has pointed out the facts and feats of those characters. And again, Rugal at his fullest may beat Ryu without his sword. Though with it, I don't see any form of Rugal being a bigger threat than Incarnate was.
The Devil Incarnate has two forms. One was the Vigoor Emperor and the other one was Murai.
Cakewalk? Go fight him on Master Ninja mode and then judge. His attacks are the most devastating of any other opponent in the game.
Prior to the fight, a swordsmith by the name of Muramasa stated that the true from of the Dragon Sword would prove more than a match for the Dark Dragon Blade. This is about a weapon that holds unimaginable power, and which was existant since the dawn of history. Only the True Dragon Sword's power can counter it and nothing else can. Story-wise, Ryu would not have won if it weren't for the weapon.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIMy point was that in the beginning, a person often uses "prove he loses" as a crutch when they have no information. It's obvious when I'm in a debate I'm trying to prove that the character that I'm supporting will win. If you were to ask me to "prove that Akuma can warp" or something like that, it would be different. But I notice when people say "prove this" and "prove that" it's usually a way to get the other person to contribute information that they themselves don't possess, so they throw it off on the other person.
- You were saying in the beginning, whenever someone claims Hayabusa loses we get a "prove he loses".
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIA,B,C arguments don't really work here, because characters fight bosses in storylines that are much more powerful than them and they use plot devices to defeat them and whatnot. Just because they can beat one character doesn't mean they can beat another, because each person they fight is different. This only produces a featwar, which goes nowhere because it's a circular and flawed argument. Not to mention the fact that God Rugal (notice I'm talking about him only), only existed in one endings and is considered a God of Fighting.
Well yeah, it's appropriate to try and prove that he would lose because he has fought opponents Rugal would never dream of fighting.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIIf that's all I said then you are either trying to ignore me, or you're just throwing dirt at me. We've both said other things otherwise, my point was it's more or less of a way to get off a wall when a person *always* asks to prove something, without doing research themselves.
- ....ok...and just what have you said that makes it seem like Rugal will win besides "Ryu's just not beating Rugal"?
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIBut the problem is that this isn't a game, no different than the comic versus forum isn't a comic, it's a hypothetical match with stipulations and rules, and they are there for a reason. In the mixing of characters things, often become inconsistant and make the argument difficult.
- Not all teleportation happens instantly in games.
A teleport should be instant movement, or it isn't a teleport. If you mean the time it takes for the character to initiate the teleport or recover from it, then that is a different thing entirely.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIII understand what you mean, don't worry.
I can give a few examples. I'm just pointing out that it's instant in this case.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIYou can call it warping or teleporting, the point is that he uses it to become invurnerable and gets from one place to another fast. He's completley invurnerable during his "God Walk".
I was also pointing that out because you mentioned Rugal has a warping ability. I'm countering your facts with mine.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIGod Rugal himself wasn't a simple KOF character, he existed in a blended universe and was top tier there along with Shin Gouki, you should know this.
- Ok...who outside of KOF are you speaking of?
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIThis proves you don't know how the raging demon works.
A grab? Haha, oh yeah Hayabusa better watch out for that...
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
how about trying to block a Storm of the Heavenly Dragon, eh? Try proving Rugal would have a way around that.
A God Walk.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIWell Akuma in the time of Alpha Two was strong enough to simply destroy an island by punching it, and he has destroyed a mountain as well. He and G. Rugal would be able to decimate those and tidal waves with their Ki shots.
- When has Akuma or Rugal fired island destroying blasts in the air? If so, why didn't they just destroy battlegrounds and blast their opponents to smithereens?
Akuma did punch an island down with his normal punch, S. Gouki is much worse.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIAnd your reason for this claim is.
- You obviously do not know much about the Dragon Sword.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIFanboyish is saying that he can beat almost anyone and anything, it makes you look like you support it blindly.
In it's true form, it holds unimaginable power that is even greater than the Dark Dragon Blade's. That's stating facts, that's not fanboyish.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIThat's smart.
Also, I'm not giving my opinion on that question since I'm not knowledgable on Jedah.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIWas convinced or you initially thought?
- I was convinced several times about who Ryu would lose to. In fact, you can go to the Hayabusa gauntlet thread to see who I stated Ryu would lose to.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIRugal has plenty of moves with invisible start up time, and can God Walk indefinitely.
As for why I'm not convinced, I don't see Rugal standing after Ryu decapitates him with his sword, and he has moves that makes him invulnerable in the process.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIKaiser Wave, G. End, Total Annihilation, Gigantic Pressure are all power-killing moves. A G. Rugal would waste a plain Gouki or Bison with little effort, that is extremely powerful and impressive. G Rugal has Rugal's and Akuma's power within him.
Added he has a plasma sword as well, and up to three talismans of rebirth that revive him each time he dies.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIWell I'm glad I accomplished that... however why are you saying he can't win or anything else, if you don't admittedly know much about Rugal (especially God Rugal). I appreciate you trying to learn more, but it goes back to what I was saying.
- I could if I wanted to, since I'm getting more knowledge on Rugal as we speak.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIProve to whom?
Also, if you admit that you can't prove Rugal would win why were you saying in the beginning he isn't beating Rugal?
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIThat he can't beat him, but if you don't know much about the character then your judgement is ultimately flawed...
- No. I was going by that claim because you were making a claim that you show you can't prove.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIHe would lose to mid top tiers as well. But again you are learning about G. Rugal so your claim is null.
- I agree. He can lose to top tiers without his sword. From the beginning, you were saying Ryu cannot win with his sword, which is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIThere are alot of those fans, but there are fanboys of DOA, Tekken, and Pokemon who are obsessed with their characters and genuinely hate the most popular, and those are the ones you mentioned. People like I, hoshi, Darkstorm, and Dvampire were here years ago clearing up their name in spite of the people who brought it down, including fanboys on both sides.
- People here know little about Ninja Gaiden apparently. I've seen a number of SF/KOF fans that seem obssessed with top tiers like Akuma, Geese Howard, etc.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIII've noticed otherwise.
Also, I've noticed a lot of ignorance about DOA's top tiers, as no one but a few has pointed out the facts and feats of those characters.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII*May* beat Ryu without his sword? I'll let you research a bit more before you post next time.
And again, Rugal at his fullest may beat Ryu without his sword. Though with it, I don't see any form of Rugal being a bigger threat than Incarnate was.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeOh, I know the source isn't canonical, but that was the character in question. I didn't find the game bad, unless you meant the comics.
We shouldn't really consider Capcom vs SNK 2 as canon. We all know crossovers are bullshit and always fail to respect every single character. Just a look at the poster boys being Ryu & Kyo and you can already tell it's bullshit.
Ryu is always the posterboy though... lol
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My point was that in the beginning, a person often uses "prove he loses" as a crutch when they have no information. It's obvious when I'm in a debate I'm trying to prove that the character that I'm supporting will win. If you were to ask me to "prove that Akuma can warp" or something like that, it would be different. But I notice when people say "prove this" and "prove that" it's usually a way to get the other person to contribute information that they themselves don't possess, so they throw it off on the other person.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
A,B,C arguments don't really work here, because characters fight bosses in storylines that are much more powerful than them and they use plot devices to defeat them and whatnot. Just because they can beat one character doesn't mean they can beat another, because each person they fight is different. This only produces a featwar, which goes nowhere because it's a circular and flawed argument. Not to mention the fact that God Rugal (notice I'm talking about him only), only existed in one endings and is considered a God of Fighting.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If that's all I said then you are either trying to ignore me, or you're just throwing dirt at me. We've both said other things otherwise, my point was it's more or less of a way to get off a wall when a person *always* asks to prove something, without doing research themselves.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But the problem is that this isn't a game, no different than the comic versus forum isn't a comic, it's a hypothetical match with stipulations and rules, and they are there for a reason. In the mixing of characters things, often become inconsistant and make the argument difficult. A teleport should be instant movement, or it isn't a teleport. If you mean the time it takes for the character to initiate the teleport or recover from it, then that is a different thing entirely.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You can call it warping or teleporting, the point is that he uses it to become invurnerable and gets from one place to another fast. He's completley invurnerable during his "God Walk".
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
God Rugal himself wasn't a simple KOF character, he existed in a blended universe and was top tier there along with Shin Gouki, you should know this.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
This proves you don't know how the raging demon works.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
A God Walk.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well Akuma in the time of Alpha Two was strong enough to simply destroy an island by punching it, and he has destroyed a mountain as well. He and G. Rugal would be able to decimate those and tidal waves with their Ki shots.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Akuma did punch an island down with his normal punch,
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
S. Gouki is much worse.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And your reason for this claim is.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Fanboyish is saying that he can beat almost anyone and anything, it makes you look like you support it blindly.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That's smart.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Was convinced or you initially thought?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Rugal has plenty of moves with invisible start up time, and can God Walk indefinitely.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Kaiser Wave, G. End, Total Annihilation, Gigantic Pressure are all power-killing moves. A G. Rugal would waste a plain Gouki or Bison with little effort, that is extremely powerful and impressive. G Rugal has Rugal's and Akuma's power within him.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well I'm glad I accomplished that...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
however why are you saying he can't win or anything else, if you don't admittedly know much about Rugal (especially God Rugal).
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I appreciate you trying to learn more, but it goes back to what I was saying.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Prove to whom?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That he can't beat him, but if you don't know much about the character then your judgement is ultimately flawed...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He would lose to mid top tiers as well.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But again you are learning about G. Rugal so your claim is null.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There are alot of those fans, but there are fanboys of DOA, Tekken, and Pokemon who are obsessed with their characters and genuinely hate the most popular, and those are the ones you mentioned. People like I, hoshi, Darkstorm, and Dvampire were here years ago clearing up their name in spite of the people who brought it down, including fanboys on both sides.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I've noticed otherwise.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
*May* beat Ryu without his sword? I'll let you research a bit more before you post next time.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
We shouldn't really consider Capcom vs SNK 2 as canon. We all know crossovers are bullshit and always fail to respect every single character. Just a look at the poster boys being Ryu & Kyo and you can already tell it's bullshit.
This is simply amazing, I love when people have the arrogance to think they know everything, and ask someone else to prove everything, when the best they can come up with is something they read off of wiki, showing they know very little about the game mechanics in the first place. I've noticed this same technique in many of your debates, you sit and argue one-sided. You don't know much about Soul Calibur as it seems, but you are so convinced that one character is uber so you stroke their genitals and ignore everything to your own content. An ignorant, pointless, and annoying opponent to deal with.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIActually very many people started in saying that, but earlier in this thread (and in others) you go on saying that Ryu Hayabusa beats any SF and KOF character with his swords. While I tried to be sportsmanlike and not call you a fanboy, you are making it so damned hard when you read whatever you want to read and ignore the rest.
Well you started in saying that Ryu's not winning against Rugal.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIII've said much on the knowledge on the behalf of God Rugal (for the thousandth time), but the problem is you know little. You think it is my job to sit and cater to you until you agree with me and it isn't. You don't even know much about the character or else you wouldn't have to sit and read wiki. How contradictory, hypocritical, arrogant, and stupid is that?
You've made a claim that you haven't proven,
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
and I've read all about Rugal Bernstein as of now.
Have you even played anything besides DOA, Tekken, and Final Fantasy? 😆
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Alright. I'm just pointing out Ryu beat the devil, and yes it does matter in this case.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIBecause you weren't convinced with the very limited knowledge you have, that's not my problem. I'm not here to cater to you. Or even *make* you believe anything. You won't budge on Hayabusa as it is anyways.
I've read all about Rugal on answers.com as well as wiki. I do not believe that he would beat Ryu, hence why I asked you to prove that Rugal can win.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
My point was not all teleportations in games are instant and I know this. Anyways, Ryu doesn't take time nor does he recover from it.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIINeither are invurnerable but Game Mechanics are a pain in the ass. G. Rugal uses his move to become invincible, the other is simply a Game Mechanic, such as invincibility while using Super Specials/Combos.
Then I guess we have two invulnerable characters fighting each other. Ryu's also immune while casting magic, thought I should just mention that.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIWho has he fought, he has limited appearances as it is...
I do know. What I meant was who outside SNK vs. Capcom and I know he's not a simple character. He's one of the best in the series since he can use the Satsui no Hadou.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIINo, your comment of "Hahaha a grab move" shows me that you don't know truly what it is... not to mention that you seem to be under the false impression that Ryu is unhittable for some reason. And in all forms that the match stipulates him fight in...
On the contrary, this proves you don't know how easily Ryu could deal with that.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
He doesn't do it all the time. It will hit him at some point.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIYou're so very wrong, Akuma *punched* an island down, (prove that he didn't). And how are you trying to take the validity of a feat down by saying it's a technique, every ****ing thing is a technique in some form or another. The mountain he punched down in Alpha 2 is not Ayers rock, THAT was the special technique. This is a stupid argument, especially when your characters relies on shitloads of magical items to begin with. In some forms of media even Ryu has shown to have power to destroy a mountain. And S. Gouki is more powerful than he was in Alpha 2. It happens very quickly.
I don't think so. They used certain techniques in order to do those feats, not their strength. Take Feng Wei for example he was seeking the God Fist which gives a user the ability to shatter an entire mountain with one hand. He does not have the strength but the ability to accomplish a feat such as that as a result of learning a technique specially made for that type of ability. Akuma did not do it through sheer strength, and I doubt his hadouken can destroy an island.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIYou love your plot devices don't you?
Either way, Ryu fought an opponent with planet-destroying capabilities and won.
Bison has the capabilities to destroy a planet and he's lost to Gouki, Gouki has destroyed a Comet... Featwars are stupid for this reason.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIICan you show me where this is stated that he is unable to destroyan island.
Wrong my friend, he used a technique to do that, not his sheer power.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIAnd Evil Ryu isn't in this thread, whereas G. Rugal is on the same level as S Gouki, and you are trying to say he doesn't even have much of a chance in h2h combat is utter bullshit.
Yeah and Evil Ryu is a Ryu not holding back.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIBecause all you are doing is using a broad generalization of a claim. It doesn't matter. It's like me saying " Ryu has limitless potential"... can you put this amount into a number, or do you want me to drool over it. You said that it could beat basically anyone or anything and it sounded fanboyish, especially with Darkstalkers characters around. 😬
That you're starting to think it's fanboyish to say the TDS holds unimaginable power and so on, when it's factual that it is.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Coming from someone who recently stated Rugal can kill just about any fighter.
You are the one who said Ryu Hayabusa can take the SF cast in SF vs. DOA, and you don't even know much of the characters, so it's fanboyish. 😆
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Sure and do you think Rugal can beat Xemnas with his power?
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
..what?
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIGo to the SF vs. MK thread for this. Scorpion does the same ass thing and even he would lose. Without some serious help on his side.
Hmm well I'm not going to ask you to prove it since it's turns out to be a game mechanic. Anyway, Ryu can teleport indefinitely and is immortal.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIBison's super Psycho Crusher would tear him apart. Bison destroyed a huge area when he was simply mad and did little else. I'm betting Gill could whooop him, due to his Resurrection and ability to make meteors fall from the sky.
Extinction Straight Slash, Storm of the Heavenly Dragon, True Dragon Gleam are all killing moves. An Evil Ryu would waste a plain Alma and Doku with little effort, that is extremely powerful and impressive. Ryu is a master of the TDS.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIII proved that you don't know much about G. Rugal and you will go on any lengths to prove Ryu wins. 😉
You proved nothing.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII😆 Riiight...
I was not saying he can't win and I know all about Rugal.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Not really and you still have not proved your statement.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
To anyone if you could. You were saying Ryu isn't beating Rugal and you've yet to prove it.
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b. a forked support for an oar on the sides or stern of a rowboat.
c. a horizontal knee reinforcing the stern frames of a wooden vessel.
7. a forked device on the left side of a sidesaddle, consisting of two hooks, one of which is open at the bottom and serves to clamp the left knee and the other of which is open at the top and serves to support the right knee.
–verb (used with object)
8. to support on crutches; prop; sustain.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
For the 4th time, I know just about all there is to know about Rugal whereas you apparently know very little on Ryu.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIII can go with could because he has a chance. But by mid top I mean characters just below, SFA3 Bison, Gill, etc.
I wouldn't say would, I would say could. Unless you can prove this second statement, I'm holding it as bullshit.
Guys like Ryu, and Urien...
Originally posted by Cloud_VIII am going to use your favorite tactic and ask you to prove it.
Top tiers was referring to god tiers; same thing. Point is, they don't stand much chance against him with his weapon and techniques.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
My argument still stands that people hardly know anything about Ninja Gaiden and obsess about other games, and that is why several people on this forum downplay Ryu whenever he's brought up in a thread topic.
I hate when people downplay characters too, but to gain respect is to respect both ends. Ninja Gaiden is a popular game and I'm sure quite a few people have played it and DOA, they just aren't as fanatic. 😬
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIThat's because they say what you like. I've seen Darkstorm mention it too... but that's just because SF and KOF are most popular, DOA has been vastly overrated as well, along with Pokemon, Tekken, and *cringes* Master Chief...
Actually me, S. Prime, E. Ashtar, and maybe a few others I've seen say anything about DOA's top characters. I mainly hear people talk about SF and KOF characters on this forum.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIINo, those things you read about G. Rugal are very limited, and is who I'm talking about, I don't think you've comprehended that since the start. 😬
No need for that since I know pretty much all there is to know about Rugal as of now.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIAll the knowledge of your favorite character don't really help you when you are plainly biased in your arguments.
I suggest that you learn more about Ryu's potential and learn exactly what his weapon is, what it was made for, and the challenges that he already faced, before posting a useless rebuttal.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh, I know the source isn't canonical, but that was the character in question. I didn't find the game bad, unless you meant the comics.Ryu is always the posterboy though... lol
Don't get me wrong. I love the game. However it is obvious most rivalries are not dead even. Come on Ryu & Kyo? Terry's the better match for Ryu, but hey at least they got Ken to rival Terry.