Rugal Bernstein vs. Ryu Hayabusa

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Lol this is fun, I haven't been on here in ages and someone's telling me what I know and don't know. It's fine though, these are just sparring. I hope you aren't angry or anything no more than I am. And no I'm not crazy about Rugal, I think he is badass though. I'll get to this when I wake up. Or I'll just get on topic and stop this filibuster, not sure what kind of mood I'll be in. 😈

Actually, you are telling me what I know and what I don't know. I'm just telling you what you obviously don't know.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm glad I'm not the only person seeing this, he makes an argument defending a character against another, and then half way through he wants to say it isn't valid.

Fact is, he isn't. You want to have Ryu turn into the devil Incarnate? Let's see how G. Rugal fares against that.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
1. You are trying to make a cop out.

You're using a noncanonical character to win. For that, I'm going to use a noncananical version of Ryu.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
2. You don't realize that many characters discussed in this forum are secret bosses and characters who have only been in one game without continuity.

So what tells you that again?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
3. You don't know much about the character, and are trying to use what I discussed with someone else earlier to make it seem like I'm in the wrong here, because I said this was the character that I was discussing. He still exists and you are trying to make it otherwise to get out of your ass-spanking.

Alright Ryu can exist as the devil since he wielded that Dark Dragon Blade. All he has to do is break the seal and kill G. Rugal within a few seconds.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
What filibuster? Cloud's the only person arguing that Hayabusa can beat God Rugal. I'd think turning Osaka into a burning wreckage would qualify as a good power feat. And that was normal Rugal. God Rugal is considered equal to Shin Gouki, by both SNK&Capcom. Which means he can do anything Shin Gouki can do. Especially because he has some of his moves and power of satsui no hadou, in addition to the orochi power. You have no right, Cloud, to bring up the non-canon arguement. You've argued that Hayabusa can beat him, you're not copping out now.

- I'm now arguing the devil and crush G. Rugal with hardly any effort.

- The Dark Dragon Blade grants the user with incredible power. We're talking about a weapon that's been growing in power ever since the dawn of history.

- I'm alright with that, just don't argue that Ryu becoming the devil isn't canon either.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I should also mention that I see nothing in this Vigoor Emperor that God Rugal couldn't annihilate in one super. He probably wouldn't even need a super.

The Vigoor Emperor can most likely crush G. Rugal in his hand and G. Rugal isn't even canon.

Originally posted by Remulous
People are most likely thinking Rugal will lose becuase he does not posess a massive form, use magic, and weapons. Rugal's chi is more destructive than any Nimpo or weapon in the DOA/NG universe.

Just listening to this makes me laugh me @$$ off.

Originally posted by Remulous
NORMAL Rugal destroyed an entire city.

If it's a fact that he did, I should've seen an article stating something of the sort after googling "Rugal destroyed city". What sucks for you is that I didn't.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Not to mention by saying Hayabusa can beat Rugal, you're saying that Hayabusa can beat the entire KOF 95' cast. Because that's what Omega Rugal was doing.

Great you're using a plot device well let me do that also. By saying Rugal can beat Hayabusa, you're saying that Rugal can beat an opponent capable of destroying an entire planet, because that's what Ryu was doing.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Or that Hayabusa can beat the fatal fury team, or the 96' boss team, or the New face team. Because Rugal can do that too.

Or that Rugal can beat the devil Incarnate, Nicchea and Ishtaros together, or Doku's final form.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's a team buster, and unlike the orochi guys, or the NESTS garbage, he does it with his own power.

Lolzorz 😆 . He does not use any power that is his at all. He relies completely on the Orochi power.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And not divine power like the orochi or garbage technology like NESTS.

Rugal was believed dead, but he used the Orochi power to survive. Replacing his destroyed right forearm with cybernetics, Rugal revived Saisyu, brainwashed him, and sent out invitations the following year for another King of Fighters tournament. Rugal used an abandoned missile silo as his base in 1995, and abducted the winning team (again, Kyo's team) to fight Saisyu, and then himself. Despite using the Orochi power and becoming Omega Rugal, Kyo's determination saw him though. Again defeated, Rugal tried to use more of the Orochi power, but it consumed him. As his body disintegrated, he saw Iori Yagami, who told him that only those "of the bloodline" could control Orochi's power.

http://www.answers.com/topic/rugal-bernstein

So I guess this means either you are making up bs or that I know more about the King of Fighters series than you.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No no. I said Omega Rugal did that. Do you understand you are saying that Hayabusa is more powerful than the entire KOF 95' if he can beat Omega Rugal, let alone God Rugal?

Do you understand you are saying that Rugal is more powerful than the Vigoor Emperor and the Greater Fiends if he can beat Ryu, let alone Evil Ryu and Devil Ryu?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If the entire KOF 95' cast couldn't stop him, then you are claiming Hayabusa is more powerful.

If the entire Vigoor Empire couldn't stop him, then you are claiming Rugal is more powerful.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So yes, the A>B>C logic does work here.

Fine with me 🙂

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Do you know how hard it is do something like that? The sheer power and skill needed?

I'll ask you the same question about Ryu's feat.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This is why Rugal is rivaled with Gouki. Because he's the only KOF boss (outside of Orochi 🙄 who comes close to Gouki's insane power.

I'll that the devil can stomp both of them at the same time.

Originally posted by Remulous
And unlike Gouki, Rugal can be very aristocratic. That's one thing that makes him cool to me. In fact Rugal is like the only reoccurring boss of KOF, he dies and still comes back, showing how powerful he is.

http://www.answers.com/topic/rugal-bernstein

Rugal was believed dead, but he used the Orochi power to survive. Replacing his destroyed right forearm with cybernetics, Rugal revived Saisyu, brainwashed him, and sent out invitations the following year for another King of Fighters tournament. Rugal used an abandoned missile silo as his base in 1995, and abducted the winning team (again, Kyo's team) to fight Saisyu, and then himself. Despite using the Orochi power and becoming Omega Rugal, Kyo's determination saw him though. Again defeated, Rugal tried to use more of the Orochi power, but it consumed him. As his body disintegrated, he saw Iori Yagami, who told him that only those "of the bloodline" could control Orochi's power.

Also, whenever Ryu dies he becomes resurrected.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_zdegm/is_200406/ai_n9519762

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I knew it would come to this, after the 3rd or 4th post you got scared of that ass-spanking and now you want to run.

I've been spanking your ass ever since you decided to make a claim that you seemingly can't prove, and until you do, you'll just keep getting owned again and again.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I can’t even count the number of things wrong with your flawed up post.

Tell me the things I've said wrong in any of my posts. List them and I'll be glad to list all all of your's.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You sit here and want to moan and ***** about me not knowing a character,

Wow, one thing said by you that was wrong already. Please, do not churn bullshit out of your mouth. All I was doing was making you prove something that you apparently can't prove, and all you're doing right now is bitching because I'm making you prove something that you claimed you could.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
but you’ve proven that you were the one wrong and destitute of knowledge, so now you say I’m arguing a dead argument on something you tried to defend?

Denial is a bad thing. Saying that I do not have much knowledge about the character you're defending is more than hilarious. Tell me anything about Rugal that is not listed in any of the sites that contain information about them, and while you're at it, list them in the page for future reference. Also, arguing that G. Rugal is not canon has nothing wrong with it since I've read an article saying that he isn't. Arguing for a character that isn't canon is fighting a dead battle. If you want to play that way, I'll be arguing for the devil.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It takes TWO people to argue.

Ok...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The bottom line is you don’t know much about G. Rugal anyways

Not only is he NOT canon but from what I know, he's on par with Akuma, since he had the Satsui no Hadou. Devil Ryu is on par with the devil Incarnate who has immeasurable power and flight.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and he has had very limited showings, so you can’t really give a description anyways, you haven’t listed much at all.

Look right above.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You make great leaps of connection and fall short every time, you contradict yourself constantly.

More bullshit out of your mouth. If you're saying that I contradict myself, list one instant. Here. I'll list one time when you were. It was when you said Rugal can kill just about any fighter and when I reminded you of what you said, you went in denial.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I go in another thread and read how you think weaker characters beat Ryu, but then you think G. Rugal can’t? Absurd.

Those characters I listed could kill Rugal in so many different ways it's not even funny, and G. Rugal is not even canon.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I want to say you do this because you are new and you aren’t familiar with the forums, because even intense fans (like Remy) calm down at one point.

Well why don't you calm down?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But then again you seem to be about 15 years old. It will be worse if you tell me you are in your twenties or something because your logic and comprehension is poor.

Laughing me f***in ass off. This coming from the person who was claiming that since Rugal can beat people like M. Bison and Akuma, he could beat Ryu, and then argues plot devices would not work when I mentioned that Ryu was able to overcome someone who can destroy a planet. From you're obvious lack of intelligence, I would say that you're 13, because it's that bad.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Honestly I don’t think you so bad, as you do try, but you are so biased that it becomes a pain to tell you anything.

It becomes a pain because you don't see anyway that you can win.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Now sit back, because it’s that time for you to be owned… 😉

Lol I'd like to see you try.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Haha, how in the hell did I describe myself?

By saying that you think you know everything when you show that you know little, and sit there arguing on one side only. And by saying you're very convinced that one character would win because you believe that there very overpowered and unstoppable that you suck on their dick and ignore everything being said on the other side. For that, you're nothing more than a pain in the ass.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I’m not the one telling everyone they know nothing after reading something off the front of a website that can be adjusted and changed anytime and all the time. Or did you forget that?

Oh no I know that. That's why I was telling you to go add any information that wasn't already on there, and Answers.com cannot be edited as Wikipedia can, although it is based right off of that, but anything that is edited on Wikipedia would not be shown in the other site for periods of time. Also, I never said you knew nothing. I said you apparently know little.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
that’s why wiki is ok but it isn’t to be used as a sole source, and it blatantly shows that you have no experience with what I am talking about, therefore making you less credible anyways.

Read above. You have any information that you think you should add, add it to wiki. Answers.com cannot be edited and has the same info that Wikipedia contains. If you're going to say that I edited anything, you'll just be bullshiting yourself.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I’m just going by what you say, you sound like fool about something, therefore I assume you are one, you can’t really fault me for that. 🙂

And don't blame me that you seem to be a dumbass but that's from the things you say.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Man, you went on that thread and argued and argued a point over and over that would give Devil Jin a handicap in the match and would not budge on it. And as usual you were the only person in there looking foolish, and as usual you ignore what everyone else says.

Lol you're still not over that? If you even payed attention, you would know that I said NIGHTMARE would win...and you are looking pretty stupid right now since you think that I thought DJ would win when I've claimed ages ago that Nightmare would win the match. Also, if I would ignore everything someone else says, I would not be making a point to point rebuttal and answering every single one of the points they make, so that's another -1 for you.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The one who argues for Ryu alone, pretty much all the time in spite of overwhelming evidence. *sigh *

Counter examples anyone? Yes I think so.

Ryu Hayabusa and Ayane vs. Cloud Strife and Tifa Lockhart - Argued Ryu and Ayane could lose at a greater chance than the other team.

Team Jenova vs. Team Ninja - Argued on both sides equally.

Dante and Vergil vs. Ryu Hayabusa and Rachel - Argued R & R would get curbstomped.

Ryu Hayabusa vs. Strider Hiryu - Argued that it would be a tie.

Ryu Hayabusa vs. Samanosuke - Argued that Samanosuke was more powerful than Ryu, and thus would have a greater chance of winning.

Oh and wishful belief is not evidence. You have to show exactly why someone does not stand a chance against the other, not just say it and sit on your ass expecting everyone to believe you.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Seeing how your logic is very skewed I wouldn’t make my guess worth a lot if I were you.

And seeing how your level of intelligence is greatly lacking I wouldn't make my claim worth that much if I were you.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What haven’t I argued? It’s your job on your side to provide the evidence for your own damned character, didn’t you ask me to do the same damned thing? And not to mention that the Ninja Gaiden version isn’t even applicable in this match and you are still using it… tsk tsk, and you get on me for using “non-canon” which you are copping out of anyways.

I'm saying since you don't apparently know anything about Ninja Gaiden, you just sit there and argue one-sided, whereas I actually look for as much information as I can about the other character to try and stumble upon anything that would give the character the greater advantage. However, I'm wasting my doing that because I'm curious to know why you think Ryu would not win when you're not bringing anything to table; that's one thing. The other thing is I could care less about this topic since it discusses a non canonical character, and you're arguing for person... tsk tsk, and by using a character who is not canon, you are trying desperately to win whereas I'm debating calmly and shooting down every one of you're arguments with pure and accurate information from canon sources.

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I know Ryu has the Dark Dragon Blade which feeds on evil, and I know the True Dragon Blade is his most powerful weapon. I know he has magical abilities, and I know he doesn’t use the TDB in DOA,

Most likely after you listened to all of the info other and I gave. That info is so easy to find on the internet. I'm not surprised that a person like you would know that.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and I even know he has an alternate costume with just his face. He is a top tier character in those games, this has been mentioned and done, and it doesn’t remove the fact that he has been defeated by the female ninjas,

Tell me where does it say that he was defeated by the female ninjas.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and neither of those are more powerful than God Rugal to begin with.

Not only is this a moot argument but G. Rugal is a noncanonical character.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don’t have to try to prevail against you at all, nor does anyone else here. I’ve prevailed upon the best several times in my past and this is nothing new to me one bit. So don’t act like you have an advantage, because the only one is in your deluded mind.

Yeah sure... *cough* You're at a disadvantage right now because I've been pwning you throughout this thread with canonical evidence in quite a few areas.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
On the contrary I say you contradict yourself far too much.

I would say you contradict yourself quite a lot from the examples that I gave earlier.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The fact of the matter is you make it look like he has little trouble with them, now lets see what the contradiction is below…Yea, holding his own and “utterly pwning” everything like you make it seem are totally two different things, now you are trying to switch it around to save face, and unfortunately for you, it isn’t working.

Tell me where in this thread did I say Ryu would utterly pwn Rugal. Go and point that out for me.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Um, how would Ryu beat Orochi anyways? The morale of the story is: plot devices don’t work, as to why they don’t work is because they go by the basic rules of any story of the hero winning, and therefore aren’t applicable to KMC by it’s rules. Perhaps you should study those sometimes before you enter an argument. This argument is a hypothetical match between the two known contenders where we compare and contrast their abilities against one another and determine a win. Your plot devices are illogical and thus they don’t count.

You do know that I was implying that Ryu would become the devil in this fight correct? Nope, didn't think so.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And how would he beat Orochi? I’ll be waiting for your explanation on my desk after class.

I'm going to use that same technique you just used and ask how would G Rugal beat Ryu once after he becomes the devil?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You have ignored: 1. The rules: You continue to bring plot devices in play and Ninja Gaiden feats, which are not applicable by this match.

You've ignored:

1. The rules of this site: You cannot use a noncanonical character in any topic, even though it's being applied here.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
2. The argument that everyone else has brought along: by sideswiping said argument and asking for proof you have really only shown your ability as an escape artist and not a logical debator.

False in every way. You are trying to use a character that is not canon to any story, and yet you argue about him till the end of who knows when. That there shows that you're arguing desperately in a case like this. Oh, and a logical debator would not use noncanonical material in a debate as it would show how stubborn he is to try and win a battle that could not be won.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
3. Common sense: Do you even read what you say? It doesn’t even make sense, you go and look up a quick site and you think that substitutes for true expertise on a subject, the argument in itself is absurd and not even worth a second thought,

How is saying that I know much about Rugal because I've read A NUMBER of sites with much info on him not make sense? And what you claimed to know about Ninja Gaiden is very little. You've said things that anyone can find out right by reading results from google.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I want to show you that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and your logic is so flawed that it makes quoting from point to point like this confusing.

Showing me what you're screwed up mind thinks is nothing important. All you're doing right now is saying that I don't know about your character, while I'm simply making you support a claim that you made way back earlier in this thread.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No you’ve ignored them

No I've actually countered them.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and made a copout

Says the person who uses noncanonical material in his posts, and fails.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
to all of them and contented yourself for the fact that you have countered them, when in fact you’ve only gotten a spanking.

You wish 😆 You just keep getting pwned over and over.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I’m pretty sure you’re wrong, because you haven’t listed anything about God Rugal really,

Actually, I said that he has the Satsui no Hadou and was on par with Akuma. Not that it matters since he's not canon.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
you just realized you were wrong and then went and tried the non-cannon argument to get out of it.

Actually, I'm right. You don't know that much about Ninja Gaiden if all you can say is just those things you've said earlier. And by arguing for a noncanonical character, you're making your fingers go numb for nothing. There's no way that you can win if you're arguing for a character that has no canonical value.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I haven’t really went and added anything on wiki in awhile, but it’s not my obligation to either (remembers the Duke 3d page), for one I’m hardly on that site, OR this one… I was summoned when I heard the massive amount of fanboy genital fellatio going on with even more fighting game characters. I came as quick as I could and I was hurt by what I saw… it was really a long time since I’ve been home. * sigh *

Well bring any evidence that you can here. I'm still waiting to see you prove the claim that you made earlier in this thread.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh and as far as I’m concerned he was brought up way before I got here and you had no problem arguing him then, now you are just trying to use it as a copout to get out of your just ass spanking… but it’ll be ok, it’ll be over soon. This character is a video game character and can be used in this forum, you are just in the frustration that you can’t convince anyone your lover wins.

Haha I just had to love at this. The level of hypocricy, ignorance, and stupidy of this quote is beyond measure. I cannot believe someone could be so stupid to say that a person is getting ass-spanked when he is desperate enough to use a noncanonical character to prove a point. Also, you're frustrating because you seemingly can't do anything to prove that you're precious rugal can win. You also far as to use things that are not canonical to prove that he can win the match.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You will “site” here and argue, fanboys have always had problems with their rhetoric.

Lolzorz you actually took the time to quote that? People make typos dumbass.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Just because you keep responding doesn’t mean you have won, it simply means you are in denial.

Lol this is beyond ridiculous 😆 The only one being in denial here is you. You are claiming that Ryu can't win the match and when I ask you to prove it, you don't say anything to prove your claim. Oh, and by bitching at me and using noncanonical evidence you're not winning. You're just showing how desperate you are to prove that you're beloved Rugal would win.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, you want to use an apparent “claim that I did not prove” as a crutch for the fact that you have no more ammunition to add into your argument,

Tell me where you proved Rugal would win in this thread, since I'm dead positive that all you've been doing up to this point was bitching at me just because I was making you prove a claim that you made earlier in this thread.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
so by doing this you hope that everyone will notice that you are losing the actual debate.

Every SF/KOF fan would want to believe that, I know.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
First it’s proof,

Alright ALHPA-152 curbstomps G. Rugal. Let's see how you'll react to that.

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
then it’s claims,

You claimed earlier in this thread Ryu isn't beating Rugal with the sword. It's a good thing that you can't edit messages 15 minutes after making them. Shall I show you where you made the claim?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and now it’s “non-canon”.

The version of your beloved character is indeed noncanonical. If you want to play that game, I'll just mention Ryu becomes the Devil with the power of the Dark Dragon.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Don’t try it on me, I’m no newb my friend.

What I just stated was true.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wikipedia is chockfull of knowledge, but it has many flaws. For one people can willingly edit and change any bit of information in there anytime they deem that they want to do that. I can write “Kirby has a ten inch penis” and it would be a fact. It is a good place for general and common knowledge and facts, but it is not perfect.

And yet again I will mention that Answers.com cannot be edited as Wikipedia can and it still has all the info Wikpedia contains.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Furthermore it is no place for real experience and knowledge with said media, just an overview. Do you think reading an article about Japan in wikipedia makes it just as much the knowledge as the person who has actually lived there? If so your logic is even more flawed and terrible then I had imagined.

Now you're relating this to an article that is supposed to list everything about an entire country? That's pretty stupid. Rugal is one character and does not have 1/10 as much info as a country should have. Thus, it is easier to list as much info as you could about him than listing all the info about an entire country. You're not going to find a 5 inch thick encyclopedia talking about Rugal now are you? No, didn't think so.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Also several other sites (unless they are official sites) like www.capcom.com are often plagued with inaccurate information and inconsistencies. Their information is not always valid and should be read and treated with discretion.

Wow this is getting pretty ridiculous. You're saying that the official site of capcom is inaccurate with their info? How? Do they have people who do not know their stuff put information on there that isn't correct or something? Chances are, it's you who doesn't know what's right and what's not. You're saying that just about all the info on the internet is incorrect, which is a pretty idiotic thing to say. Now, you are making pretty lame excuses to make it seem that I do not know info about the other side of the debate.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Were any of those *official * sites by any chance?

Tell you what, look up rugal bernstein on Answers.com and see if there's any false information about him there. Once you find any, let me know.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You say a lot, but…

But...?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Man I even played Gaiden when it was on Nintendo about 20 years ago, don’t tell me what I do and don’t play… all that damned rooftop jumping.

You make it seem like you know very little...and by telling me you were playing the NES version of Ninja Gaiden isn't telling much, since the Xbox version of Ninja Gaiden is a completely different game than the original. It has to no connection to the NES version whatsoever, and you're stupid enough to think that just by playing the game, you would know everything. A lot of the information in Ninja Gaiden is written in certain text that you must obtain within the game, and a lot of the things that are said are said only once and isn't emphasized in the title. That information is vital in debates like this, and by just playing the game, one would think no more than Ryu is just a badass ninja, which I'm guessing is pretty much all you know about the NG series.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I wish you would take your own advice, and maybe then you wouldn’t look so bad. 😬

I wish you would realize just how much you're contradicting yourself and making yourself look foolish.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I really can’t wait to see this claim that pretty much everyone agrees with besides one deluded fanboy.

Should I list the people? Yes I think so.

S. Prime
Cloud_VII

People who voted Rugal:

TricksterPriest (Hates DOA just thought I should mention that)
Remulous (Capcom fanboy)
You (thick-headed fanboy who has absolutely no clue what he's talking about)

Try to get that memorized.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I am pointing out that you are getting owned pretty badly and it isn’t stopping anytime soon. 😉

Lolzorz 😆 This is extremely funny. The only one getting pwned and creamed right now is you.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You are a hypocrite…

On the contrary, you are.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Why are you a hypocrite, do you ask? You are the one using game mechanics in your argument,

They are not only game mechanics, but things that have happened in actual cutscenes. Try to get your facts straight.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
not only that but the Ninja Gaiden game isn’t even in this argument.

And I'll still be making a point. Oh, and using god rugal in this argument is even far worse considering it's a noncanonical character, which the rules of this site does not allow.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I never said that Rugal wins because he is “soo hard” I never mentioned his in-game difficulty,

Arguing that he's invulnerable indefinitely is pretty much describing how hard he is to beat.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I can beat him fine, though he is a good opponent. I think he wins because he has powerful insta-kill moves and he can avoid attacks with ease, which is an argument that you initiated, so that makes you a hypocrite.

Um...no. You started that, go look back. You were the one who started saying he has speed that was on par with Akuma's and I was countering that with Ryu's speed that was not only shown in the game but was shown in cutscenes. Unlike you, I don't just use things that appeared in-game and things that are not canon. You really make yourself look bad when you say things that you're not sure of and isn't true. Also, you're a hypocrite for saying plot devices don't work whenever I mention any of Ryu's feats, and then argue later than Rugal defeated the entire KOF cast and can kill someone like M. Bison and Akuma to show what he can do.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Do you enjoy making yourself look bad all the time.]

That's a question I should be asking you.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I never said that either, but it’s highly probable that he will hit them very often.

You were implying the raging demon can't be blocked and when I said Ryu could avoid it, you said no. So who do you think can avoid it then?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You however started that argument again and basically mocked yourself.

WTF? You clearly have no clue as to what you are even saying. How could I have started that argument when it was you who was arguing about Rugal's "undodgeable" moves? You are making yourself look like an ass again and again.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
do you even read what you type?

Yes I actually do. Do you read what you type?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You should figure out what he can and can’t do instead of relying on someone else to tell you. 😉

A lot of things that are listed on Answers.com tell what he can do, and I'm asking you what the character can do that is not on that site since you claim it doesn't have as much info as you do, so then list all the things Rugal can do that isn't on that site, let alone if you've even read about him there.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Denial is an ugly thing.

Right, so don't be in it all the time.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You are pretty much owning yourself here so I don’t know what I even need to do this for.

Lol 😆 This is the best you can come up with when I ask you to make an arguement? Yeah, you are quite the pathetic n00b.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And considering you keep on bringing up things that aren’t even within the thread stipulation I think you’re better off saving it.

And I think you're better of saving all of your info for caressing the penis of a noncanonical character.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It is good that you are trying but you are still biased and highly uninformed.

Not really biased, and if you have info about Rugal that I should know, bring it. Or are you scared perhaps?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You are the only one sitting here arguing something that everyone else has already noticed.

What the **** are you talking about?

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Man you are stupid.

I don't even feel insulted since it's coming from you.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I wasn’t even the first damned person on this thread to say that he would lose horribly against G. Rugal, I simply agreed with him.

You agreed that Ryu would not stand a chance against G. Rugal, who isn't even canonical and I've yet to see you prove it other than your fanboyism.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You are sitting here making more copouts as we go on. You disagreed THEN did research, which makes you a fanboy that automatically gives your character the benefit of the doubt too much in the first place.

Aha now you are making statements on what I was doing? I don't ever claim that one character does not stand a chance against the other before I do a decent amount of research on the character, and I know that with the Dark Dragon, one would become the devil on earth. As for you, you didn't even know any of the vital info about the other side of the debate and claimed that Ryu isn't beating Rugal with the sword, which pretty much shows the great lack of knowledge you have about the weapon.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Obviously I would imagine anyone who played here played more than 3 games, but that still isn’t a whole lot. But the most important part is the game you’ve said you’ve played doesn’t have the character in the debate in question. Shooting your credibility. Hell I own more games then that… a shitload more.

I answered you're question, and by using G. Rugal you're using a character that not only goes against the rules of the thread but against rules of the forum as well.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Just games I own…

Pokemon Red
TMNT: Fall of the Foot Clan
RaceCars
Quarth
Tetris
Sonic Chaos
Sonic the Hedgehog (gamegear)
Shinobi(gamegear)
Spiderman and the Sinister Six (gamegear)
Golden Axe
Revenge of Draconis
Columns
Sonic the HedgeHog
Sonic 2
Sonic 3
Sonic & Knuckles
Streets of Rage 3
Cyborg Justice
Shinobi 3
Crossfire
Smash TV
Aladdin
Battletoads and Double Dragon
TMNT Through Time
Battletoads SNES
Mario All Stars
Super Mario World
Killer Instinct
Kirby Super Star
Power Rangers
Power Rangers the movie
Power Rangers VS
Clay Fighter 63 1/3
Spiderman and Venom: Maximum Carnage
Spiderman and Venom: Seperation Anxiety.

I’m only on SNES and you are already losing.


Lol 😆 since when was this a contest of who has the more games? And for all I know, you could've lied about having all those 😆 I was simply answering your question because you apparently thought that I played nothing other than 3 games. Man, you sure like to go off-topic when your getting owned this badly.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No because yours was done under a “plot device”

Not true since Ryu can defeat those certain opponents that I mentioned whenever and in different stages as shown in the mission mode.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and “those feats aren’t applicable in this thread”…

And yet I'll still make a point. Oh, and G. Rugal is not applicable to this forum.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
oh and G. Rugal would beat normal Gouki because he is Rugal and Gouki in one, have you ever used simple deduction?

I would love to see how rugal fares against the devil himself.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Stop using plot devices.

Stop resorting to using noncanonical characters.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You just keep contradicting yourself, Murai isn’t the devil nor G. Rugal…

Murai is the devil you dumbass, and you were asking how would this fit in the situation considering G. Rugal, who is a noncanonical character can warp and is invulnerable most of the time. I answered that by saying Murai has those abilities as well, so saying that Ryu can overcome him is a fairly good argument in this case. Oh, and if you're using g rugal I'm going to use Ryu as the devil.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and do you think he could beat G. Rugal?

Do you actually think G. Rugal's power is on par with the devil's?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh and many characters have these moves in games btw. But you started the “he’s invincible” mini-series and now you don’t like it.

Wow...you just keep on making bullshit claims, aren't you? Go look back and tell me who was the first to mention any of the two characters are seemingly "invincible" or "invulnerable". Never mind, I'll just tell you now. It was when you claimed Rugal can be invulnerable indefinitely. Next time, be aware of what you say before making yourself look dumb.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Bison has pretty much destroyed the world and Akuma beat him…

Show me where it says Bison destroyed the world.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
you just love your feat wars.

You just love your noncanonical characters.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You moron,

You have no right to be calling anyone a moron since you've proved to be one many times up to this point.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I wasn’t even the first person to bring it up.

And yet you're going to use it even though it's against the rules of the site. Not only is it that but it's cowardly, since it doesn't count in a debate.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I was agreeing, and if you are going to argue against a character that you don’t know about, then backpedal and make an excuse, it shows that you are wrong.

Lol 😆 I am really having fun with this now...you are just wasting your time arguing because you know you can't win, and I'm wasting my time debating with you because I'm doing nothing more than arguing with a thick headed fanboy who doesn't know when to give up.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
G. Rugal has been used in threads before. And S. Gouki hasn’t ever really been “S. Gouki” in terms of the character in storyline, but he’s applicable as well. You’re the one mixing feats regardless.

If the character is noncanonical, then it should NOT be used in debates. I'll say it again, it should NOT be used in a debate regardless of how many diehard fans there is about the character. In the comic book forum, do you see people using SSJ4 Goku against anyone else? No, I don't think so. He's not canon because he comes from a noncanonical source. That also goes for Naruto's nine-tailed fox demon form because he has NEVER achieved that level in the storyline. If you're going to use g. rugal then I am going to use Ryu as the devil since he has used the Dark Dragon Blade before.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
At least I can follow rules of the thread.You can’t do that.

You dipshit. G. Rugal is not applicable to this thread nor is a he applicable to the forum. You really don't know how bad you're making yourself look right now do you?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because he wins and you lost.

Roflmfao 😆 Not by a long shot my friend. Ask anyone on here what's arguing for a noncanonical character and they'll tell you it's fighting a lost battle.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because a 15 year old newb says so… oh boy…

Having to listen to a 13 year old who does nothing but contradict himself while constantly making himself look like an ass...what a burden...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You don’t know me, and you’ve only seen me post a handful of times, but you have the ignorant audacity to say I’m a Rugal fanboy… I guess it’s all you have to fall back on though, isn’t it?

It's pretty obvious, since whenever I ask you for proof of a claim, you try to get out of your corner by saying I won't believe you even after you've given it. That's just laughable.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Man you still argued it when other people said the same thing,

And there were as much people who argued that DJ would win.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
AND you gave him illegal stipulations,

Not really since I didn't know that his ending wasn't canon. Unlike you, I can admit when something isn't canon and refuse to argue it, since it would be fighting a battle that cannot be won, which is something you're doing at the moment.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
like you are trying to do now.

And look who's talking.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Do you see how dense you can be?

A question coming from one of the most deluded little boys that I've come across online.

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yep.

Then you are wrong and in denial.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Denial #1

😆 Ok, so when you are proved wrong, you will admit Ryu would beat your boyfriend bernstein...right...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Denial #2,

If I was keeping track of how many things you've said in denial this would be a double digit.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
go point to me where I’ve made things up.

Using a noncanonical character is just as valid as using a character that is completely made up, so all that you've argued to this point is as valid as bullshit.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because you’re going to cling on that because you really have no other argument to use.

Lol 😆 I should not be even wasting my time doing this. If you're arguing for a noncanonical character, you're pretty much fighting a lost battle. Go ask anyone on here and they'll tell you that.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That’s what teleportation is in it’s essence. You do know that correct?

Yes, and in games, that definition does not always apply.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So you think Ryu beats these characters correct?

So you think Rugal beats the VE and the devil correct?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Do you think he beats the KOF cast as well?

Do you think he beats the entire Fiend Realm as well?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Sounds like denial to me,

I wouldn't be surprised since it's you after all.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
or else you would have explained the move and then explained how he would overcome it.

Sure thing the move allows the user to take the victim to the netherealm where they would be attacked by demons. How much and fiercefully attack is dependant on the victim's number of past sins. The only way you can avoid it (outside of game mechanics which you love to use) is by purifying the soul and clearing the mind of all desire which is nothing hard for Ryu. If you're going by game mechanics, he can just kick him before rugal connected. Another way Ryu could avoid it (storywise) is by simply vanishing and appearing in a completely different area. Just a few seconds later, he would appear back on the battle field and execute an unexpected attack on rugal, beheading him. What's also sad is that you have to use a noncanonical character to win and you still lose.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But I bet you’ll have to go look it up on another site won’t you?

I already knew what it was, and not only would it not make a difference, it's not applicable since Rugal never has it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It was you my friend,

It was actually you my friend.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
you were going on about how he cannot be hit,

You were first going on about how he cannot be damaged and how he's invulnerable all the time.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and I’m now being obtuse until you change that, it’s called fighting fire with fire.

You're the one who was prattling about how fast Rugal was and saying he can be invulnerable indefinitely, and that's when I countered all your examples.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I was definitely claiming he can warp as long as it takes to hit him, you were the one claiming that your character couldn’t get hit in the first palces by plot devices,

Wrong again. I never said he couldn't be hit considering the fact that HE HAD been hit before...I was simply saying Ryu COULD be unhittable and you claimed how rugal can be invulnerable indefinitely. Also, if you're talking about g rugal, then it wouldn't matter either way since he's not canonical, and don't even think of saying that by saying this I'm making a "copout"(lol). That is just about the best way one can shoot down an argument since it simply doesn't count. You are using a character that is just as valid as a character from a fanfic in a discussion which shows your obvious lack of experience in debates.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and limited Techniques not even specified in the thread.

Better to use that than a character who isn't even canonical in the first place.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
A copout followed by a wetdream.

Yea, good job.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Man you sure do contradict yourself a lot in one statement.

I don't even feel offended since it's coming from you.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Not realizing that you have brought illegal factors into your argument.

😆 Says the person who uses noncanonical characters in his argument. What a laugh.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So why in the hell do characters like Hayate give him problems?

Because he has a superiority complex.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because in games he’s fighting people that are good enough to give him problems.

Look above.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
We’re talking about fighting games,

Soul Calibur is a fighting game.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
not storyline games where characters mull against normal characters and fight a boss with a plot device.

A lot of characters fight and overcome bosses fair and square. In fact, there are situations where the protagonist is at a disadvantage and STILL overcomes his opponent, which means that in a fair match, he would defeat the opponent even more effectively.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Sakura can beat S. Gouki in the hands of a good player, but does that mean that she would beat him Storyline?

You do know you're pretty much proving the point I was making.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Does that mean that Gouki really would have low defense in a real match? Of course not, that would be stupid. He wouldn’t even get hit by characters unless it’s on his level (which would be G. Rugal in that game).

A character who isn't canon and thus should not be applied to this forum... not that it matters since if he's goin to be used, I'll use Devil Ryu.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
S. Gouki is really just Gouki all out, but they gave him Orochi as a catalyst in that game.

Has nothing to to with this discussion so = moot argument.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Sounds like you’re going by if’s you fanboyish hypocrite. 🙄

I was saying that since you claimed Rugal can become invulnerable indefinitely if he willed it. Don't you feel dumb.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Stop copping out please,

😆 Using noncanonical characters in your argument is far worse than copping out. Also, it's not "copping out". It's pointing out the truth. G. Rugal IS noncanon, and you're only fighting a lost battle. Ask anyone here who isn't a diehard capcom fanatic and they'll tell you exactly that. At least I don't have to resort to using noncanonical material to try to win.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I’m talking about his Heavenly blast attacks.

Go suck on rugal's dick some more 😆

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
In which you will fail in horribly.

I pretty owned you there actually.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Excuse me, Gouki didn’t even use that technique into SF3, that was speculation on the authors behalf. He didn’t use that technique until he destroyed Ayers rock and then he went and sought to learn the Misogi. But all of this is irrelevant because he did that feat when he wasn’t serious.

I believe Answers.com is a more reliable source than you.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But your point is irrelevant because it’s still power that allowed him to do it…

No it isn't because the Kongou Kokuretsuzan gives him the ability to do it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And it is done by the manipulation of Ki…

He wouldn’t have done it without said technique because it states that it was what gave him ability to do so.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Akuma’s Messatsu Gou Hado is extremely strong as well. Hell Ryu was breaking tidal waves. Bottom line is Akuma manipulates his chi to have the same striking force as characters who would be in the 100 ton class by Marvel.

Nope, he used a special technique to do it. Saying Akuma can do that by without the Kongou Kokuretsuzan is saying Feng Wei from Tekken 5 can shatter a mountain without the God Fist.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And you are side tracking because Hulk could lift one and Akuma could beat him…

Hulk's savage form has no limit.

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
if he didn’t have great physical strength (like when he sank a sub or went underwater) then why did his bones remain intact? This doesn’t take away from the feat and it’s still applicable in a fight,

Sinking a sub is nothing like sinking an island, and for all I know he could have used a technique to do that as well.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
furthermore you are being hypocritical using magicial items in a match if that’s the case.

How am I being hypoctritical you dense cock? I was saying if Akuma did not have the technique, or a technique similar to that, he wouldn’t have done that feat, because it states that it’s what gave him the abilityto do so. And again like I said, saying Akuma can shatter a mountain without the Kongou Kokuretsuzan is pretty much saying Feng Wei can destroy mountain without the God Fist. Both are wrong in this case because they used TECHNIQUES to do those feats. This is also like saying Ayane can destroy a tritower complex with her bare hands. Do you know just how senseless and stupid that is? You are not even aware that I'm not taking these abilities away. I am simply saying that these feats were done with the help of techniques. You can't prove otherwise no matter how much you tried because there is so much evidence backing it up, and I'm not a hypocrite because I never said Akuma couldn't do that. I was saying g rugal who isn't even canon cannot necessarily do that same feat Akuma did since he does not have all the techniques Akuma possess, and therefore cannot perform all the feats he did since they were done with the help of techniques. This is also where you lower the debate to IFs, saying because Akuma can do it then so can rugal. Not that it matters seeing how I just proved that wrong.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Take those away and Ryu’s done for.

No ones taking anything away and if you're using g rugal I'm using Ryu as the devil.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But he has the power to destroy it.

He needs a technique that gives him the ability to. Feng Wei can destroy a mountain with the God Fist as Akuma can destroy one with the Kongou Kokuretsuzan.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because he manipulates his inner energy(that being ki) to do so,

Wrong again.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
it isn’t a hard concept and you aren’t going to take away from it.

Read above to see where I've owned you.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
His power up fireball would be enough to do the same thing.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You mean like…

No, I mean like...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
G. Rugal is completely invulnerable during his God Walk, and he can God Walk indefinitely if he wanted to.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Sounds like you’re just a hypocrite to me.

Well that's coming from you...so...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Look my friend, this happened back in Alpha two, even Ryu has much more power than that now, and his attacks are fireballs which are much more lethal. Akuma wasn’t even at his full power nor serious. That is my conclusion.

You fail to understand that the feat was done by a technique.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Your conclusion is he can’t because you don’t want him to.

No. Your conclusion is he can do it without those abilities because you want him to.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No shit Sherlock, walking is a technique.

No ass-hat. It took a special NAMED technique to do the feat. Specifically, it was the Kongou Kokuretsuzan.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If it’s part of his power and he can use it normally then he can..

I'm saying without the techniques, they wouldn't be able to do it. That's why you shouldn't lower the debate to IFs and say G. Rugal can do it because Akuma can, because he never has the Kongou Kokuretsuzan, added with the fact the he's not even canon.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
but if you are going to go the “Devil Jin needs more souls” route, then don’t bother. 🙄

It's funny you are still not over that when I voted Nightmare, and considering you are using noncanonical sources to win in a debate 😆

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because a plot device doesn’t go with the specifications of the thread and they are what all characters have when they “overcome something more powerful”. Dammit ALL heroes overcome something more powerful, so I could play the featwar game with you and list all of the more powerful people that a character has beaten and wing it up so that character seems unbeatable.

Not true at all because the opponents Ryu had defeated in the story can be defeated at any time (Mission Mode) and I've already countered this earlier with other examples.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
For example: Ryu and Kyo beat Orochi, so anyone who Orochi beats Kyo and Ryo beat, because they beat him.

This is not always true because a lot of antigonists in series are full of themselves and lose because of the superiority complex.

Examples

Cloud beating Sephiroth.

Sora and Riku beating Xemnas.

Ryu beating Tengu.

Goku beating Frieza.

etc...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It must be nice living in a world with delusions, or maybe you aren’t dense…

It's funny having to listen to someone who's stupid and desperate enough to use a character who is completely noncanonical to begin with...

Oh, and are you that stupid that you have to go and look up the definitions of words before you say them to others?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If you don’t think you aren’t owned now then you need help,

I think you need help if you think you've actually done any owning at all, let alone think you weren't owned an immense number of times.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
you shouldn’t even come back to KMC after this unless you are going to stick to “rate my sig” threads.

Lol 😆 This douchebag is telling me not to come back after owning him a great number of times. If anyone, you should leave because you're really suffering from an upset.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Have you bothered researching it even if it is?

It's from an anime which I'm sure is not canon, so it can't be used.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If they are illegal to the thread, why bother?

Ask yourself that question except replace thread with forum.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
DOA and Ninja Gaiden are two different games, so stop picking feats.

And they occur within the same continuity, and stop using noncanonical characters to escape corners.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Bison has tons of technology wired around the world that allows him to channel up massive amounts of power and destroy the planet. He was doing it in Alpha 3 when he had the psycho drive.

Was it with sheer power? Nope.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Look my friend, this happened back in Alpha two, even Ryu has much more power than that now, and his attacks are fireballs which are much more lethal. Akuma wasn’t even at his full power nor serious. That is my conclusion.

You fail to understand that the feat was done by a technique.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Your conclusion is he can’t because you don’t want him to.

No. Your conclusion is he can do it without those abilities because you want him to.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No shit Sherlock, walking is a technique.

No ass-hat. It took a special NAMED technique to do the feat. Specifically, it was the Kongou Kokuretsuzan.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If it’s part of his power and he can use it normally then he can..

I'm saying without the techniques, they wouldn't be able to do it. That's why you shouldn't lower the debate to IFs and say G. Rugal can do it because Akuma can, because he never has the Kongou Kokuretsuzan, added with the fact the he's not even canon.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
but if you are going to go the “Devil Jin needs more souls” route, then don’t bother. 🙄

It's funny you are still not over that when I voted Nightmare, and considering you are using noncanonical sources to win in a debate 😆

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

*sigh* he's back to stroke his ego... the part that amazes me is, if you're done and it's not worth your time, why post?

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because a plot device doesn’t go with the specifications of the thread and they are what all characters have when they “overcome something more powerful”. Dammit ALL heroes overcome something more powerful, so I could play the featwar game with you and list all of the more powerful people that a character has beaten and wing it up so that character seems unbeatable.

Not true at all because the opponents Ryu had defeated in the story can be defeated at any time (Mission Mode) and I've already countered this earlier with other examples.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
For example: Ryu and Kyo beat Orochi, so anyone who Orochi beats Kyo and Ryo beat, because they beat him.

This is not always true because a lot of antigonists in series are full of themselves and lose because of the superiority complex.

Examples

Cloud beating Sephiroth.

Sora and Riku beating Xemnas.

Ryu beating Tengu.

Goku beating Frieza.

etc...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It must be nice living in a world with delusions, or maybe you aren’t dense…

It's funny having to listen to someone who's stupid and desperate enough to use a character who is completely noncanonical to begin with...

Oh, and are you that stupid that you have to go and look up the definitions of words before you say them to others?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If you don’t think you aren’t owned now then you need help,

I think you need help if you think you've actually done any owning at all, let alone think you weren't owned an immense number of times.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
you shouldn’t even come back to KMC after this unless you are going to stick to “rate my sig” threads.

Lol 😆 This douchebag is telling me not to come back after owning him a great number of times. If anyone, you should leave because you're really suffering from an upset.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Have you bothered researching it even if it is?

It's from an anime which I'm sure is not canon, so it can't be used.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If they are illegal to the thread, why bother?

Ask yourself that question except replace thread with forum.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
DOA and Ninja Gaiden are two different games, so stop picking feats.

And they occur within the same continuity, and stop using noncanonical characters to escape corners.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Bison has tons of technology wired around the world that allows him to channel up massive amounts of power and destroy the planet. He was doing it in Alpha 3 when he had the psycho drive.

Was it with sheer power? Nope.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Copout.

It means you're arguing to no avail and I'm just wasting my time with dumbshit.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He manipulated his ki therefore it’s applicable.

It's not applicable because it's about Rugal and not Akuma.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And you were the one who sidetracked the debate first by bringing other characters in.

Wrong. You were making the assumption that since Akuma can do it, Rugal can when he never did.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
At least Akuma is part of God Rugal.

I could care less since he's not even canon.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yea, for you it is. 😆

Ask just about anyone what arguing for a noncanonical character is and see how dense you are.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
A poor one that won’t let you realize how bad you’ve been owned…

Denial is such an ugly thing.. *sigh*

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Now you are going to try and go cover your ass, pathetic.

It's pathetic that you have to resort to bullshit when you're getting owned this badly.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Along with everyone else,

You, a diehard fanboy who is as thick-headed as you, and another who goes against DOA in any circumstance it not everyone.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and that claim is pretty obvious and simple to understand.

What's obvious? The fact the any version of rugal doesn't stand a chance at all against the devil.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I am not trying to be intentionally ambiguous like you and swap the interpretation when someone reads something the way I want it read. (I.E it’s making me look bad). That’s what you do.

😆 You're arguing for a character who isn't canon to begin with. Wishing that he was isn't going to change a thing.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well seeing as you’re known for contradictory, delusional, and hypocritical comments, well….

Says the person who's contradicting himself all the time, hypocritical, and constantly in denial. Figures..

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And therefore that amount hasn’t been shown which means it’s a broad claim and can’t be used to steer the debate forward, it is just something to drool over.

It actually has been shown. The regular Dragon Sword can slice through an metallic aircraft with ease. The DDB can break that weapon. The True Dragon Sword can shatter the DDB in one hit and can overcome the devil...the power within the DDB is that of an evil diety, or a god.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Just because something can’t be comprehended by man doesn’t make it end all and be all, it just means we haven’t comprehended it yet.

Some things it can do is listed above.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Everything is possible and not necessarily probable, and the effect depends on the mastery, and not just the said item/character/technique.

Ryu's well mastered the weapon.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I can argue it’s validity and place in an argument.

No you can't because you apparently know little about it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And this is what I mean about being intentionally ambiguous and swapping the interpretation.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
G. Rugal can kill just about any fighter with his moves

And this is what I call being a diehard fanboy who can't get off the dick of the character he loves.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Don’t be intentionally obscure to try and save your ass later.

Save my ass from what? I hope you're not saying that you're actually doing anything because all you're doing right now is getting owned up the ass.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Show me where I said this…

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Rugal has several annihilating attacks, his whole style is based off of it. "Genocide Cutter" "God Press" " God Walk" "G- End"... he can kill just about any fighter with those.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Again show me where I said this…

I was asking you a question since you make it seem rugal can beat anyone.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You’ve owned yourself here because you’ve shown that you can’t read…

And once again, you just owned yourself since you've just made an incorrect assumption.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You said “the cast”, so that is how you wanted to be interpreted until you changed it around to save your own sorry ass. 🙄

😆 Says the one who's been getting his sorry ass whipped for a long time now. You just love to jump to conclusions when you're getting owned this badly right?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What you say and what we see are totally two different things.

Funny that you're implying that I don't know much about SF...and you show that you clearly do not know much about Ninja Gaiden...I guess it's the fact that you don't want others to think that I actually have more overall knowledge than you. All that you've argued so far was about G. Rugal who isn't even canon to begin with, and I had to make corrections to your posts where they were needed...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, to think that inaccurate sites and general information substitute for gameplay and comic knowledge is pure crap.

Have you even read the article? It talks about Rugal's moves associated in gameplay as opposed to just the storyline. This also goes back to what I said about g rugal being not canon because he wasn't actually part of the story, and comic book knowledge is easy to find on the internet because it's so easy to scan a page from a comic book and make it an url.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It helps, but it doesn’t substitute for either.

It actually does that too.

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Your argument has been blown to pieces because you defended against a character you knew nothing about,

As much as you want to think that, you are wrong.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
still know little about,

If you still believe that I know little about the character, care to enlighten?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and now you are trying to save your ass by saying that it’s non canon

😆 You are trying to save your ass by using a noncanonical character... Just ask anyone on here who isn't a diehard capcom fanboy and they'll tell you that you've already lost if you're resorting to noncanonical sources.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
while using illegal feats in the match up.

It's not as bad as using illegal character in the forum.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Joy, just joy. 🙄

So how does it feel to lose?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I read some of wikipedia, but I don’t linger on the sites, because I play the games and I know what I’m talking about in a game forum. Your logic is so skewed that it is making my eyes hurt, like your typing.

On the contary, your logic is flawed beyond measure...read the damned article dipshit and see if there's anything there that you don't know or needs to be added there.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Ok then I’m a fanboy for thinking Orochi beats him…

Pretty much, if you don't know that much about Ryu, since according to you one would be a fanboy if he said that one character would beat another that they don't know much about. Also, this is not about Orochi is it? Nope. Go with that and I'll say the devil kills Orochi in a few seconds. Let's see how you react to that.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You’re just getting tore up today.

You would wish that, wouldn't you?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yes I forgot that some people can’t detect sarcasm, much less follow trains of thought.

Wait so you are implying Ryu can beat the Darkstalkers?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Running to the same copout, tell me, why did you bother replying to this.

Lol 😆 I just love it when you say something like this. G rugal not being canon is a whole fact and nothing more. You're arguing for a character that is illegal to the forum itself, and all you can say about it is that I'm making a copout. So, *cough* tell me, do you think G Rugal can overcome the devil? I just can't wait to see what kind of anwer I'm going to get.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Rugal is more powerful.

Ryu's weapon possesses enough power to stomp Omega Rugal. If you're using G Rugal, I'm using the devil who is more powerful.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Especially with the stipulations listed in the matchup, which as usual you seem to ignore.

Contradicting yourself again...lol. Read what you just said before that you moron. You were bringing in M. Bison in this someone who has no relevance to the thread whatsoever.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yea in fanboy land, Bison warps Bison does overkill Psycho Crusher and Ryu is turned into bits and sent to you in the mail.

I just love the level of hypocrisy and fanboysim in this quote. For starters, saying Bison has the ability to warp gives him no advantage as Ryu has said abilility, and unlike Bison, Ryu can stay invisible for a period of time. Not only that, he can dodge/block bullets from multiple machine guns at once, and you think Bison would kill him with the psycho crusher 😆 I'd like to see how bison would fare against an unexpected dragon gleam...or an extinction slash. Yeah, Bison would be done for. Also, Ryu would be resurrected immediately if he gets killed.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
SF and KOF characters have fought Godlike chars.

And?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
DOA is a bit lower overall then SF.

This is one of the few quotes said by you that weren't biased.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But could he take a Seraphic Wing? Go ahead and say he’ll dodge it or something. 😆

Can Gill take an Inazuma? Go ahead and say something like he can dodge it 😆 Oh, and as for the answer to your question, Ryu can teleport to another area. If you've known enough about the Seraphic Wing, it only covers a limited distance. Also, Ryu's invulnerable while doing the inazuma so the seraphic wind would be rendered useless anyway. There are other ways as well.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But these aren’t meteors raining from the sky with control are they?

Yes they are, and they're also controlled by Marbus. See how much knowledge you're lacking?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Are they an omnidirectional blast that won’t miss? Rugal was making huge blasts out of nowhere.

"Omnidirectional" 😆 Sure...and that still doesn't help.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If you did you wouldn’t have went there in the first place. 😆

And I guess you would say that even after reading them, I would still not know much about him..lol. Wanna tell me what you did with him last night?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Everyone doesn’t go around putting things on wiki.

Did I say everyone? No. People who have initially made the article or who are ver knowledgable add info that should be on there.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Not to mention things get changed and edited on wiki all the time,

You forget that Answer.com cannot be edited and changed...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I know because I’ve done extensive articles on several games. Some things have to be seen and not simply read.

And I have made several corrections to articles to clear up any bullshit. You are suggesting now that everything about Rugal on Wikipedia and Answers.com isn't much to know which is laughable.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So you read all this stuff when you first argued against G. Rugal or did you give Hayabusa the benefit of the doubt and say he won, then scrambled for answers?

I read the whole article on Wiki as well as the one on Answers.com before I started to post. You however started posting saying Ryu cannot win the match, without having a good amount of knowledge on Ninja Gaiden.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It’s already been established the guy has limited showings in one game, hasn’t it already?

Yeah and your point?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And you’ve said nothing much about God Rugal.

Things about G. Rugal that I've already mentioned:

- He's not canon.

- He possesses the Satsui no Hadou.

- He's about as powerful as Akuma.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Why do I need to go prove that I know what I’m talking about to myself? 🤨

Because you were claiming Wikipedia and Answers.com do not have that much knowledge and implied that you know more about your character than they do.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
On the net, but… not on the GAME. For ****’s sake is it that hard to understand?Must be.

Go add whatever info that's not on there then, if there even is any.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
By posting a definition of what you’re doing.

Nope. You failed to prove the claim you make earlier in this thread.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That’s screwing up?

Pretty much.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Man you make this too easy…

I know you do.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You want me to defend Tina? Doesn’t even make sense.

Are you that dumb that you can't understand what's being said? I asked you for proof of a claim you made and all you've presented for was some bullshit. So I asked you is that what you want after you ask me how M. Bison doesn't stand chance against Tina, because it's just that, bullshit.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He doesn’t stand a chance in H2h if characters like Hayate give him problems man!

And again you don't listen because as mentioned countless times before, he lost because of this cockiness in battle, and Ryu was not using his ninpo or his sword.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Why does it hurt you to say you are wrong.

It doesn't. Should I ask you why does it hurt to say you are wrong?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Are you a woman?

Read where it says, "Gender" under my name. Secondly, refusing to admit that you are wrong is pretty womanlike in your case.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don’t know you seem to think he is unhittable and will dodge everything.

Well I don't think it's important since it's you who thinks that after all.

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Rugal isn't even illegal... *sigh* this proves why this is dumb.

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You are on par with Master Chief and Wolverine fanboys now…

Says the fanboy who uses noncanonical characters to win and thinks rugal can be invulnerable the whole time...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
haha, Rugal is far from one of my favorite characters.

Odd you make it seem like he is.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If I say Hayabusa loses to Superman does that make me fond of him to the point where I jack off to his posters?

That's SUPERMAN, not rugal. He has no power that can pose a threat to supes.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, but I wouldn’t sit and ask you to prove everything so I can use it as a scapegoat.

😆 Says the person who resorts to using noncanonical sources to save himself from getting destroyed.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I’m going to use yours and say you don’t know what you’re talking about.

It doesn't work in this case since you don't have a clue as to what you were saying.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I mean that is your gig right.

Not at all.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Should I ask for you to prove it too?

Was I the one who initially said Rugal does not pose a threat to Ryu? Hmm...nope.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
By saying he beats the cast of the characters,

Said he could take them which is different. He can lose also.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and stands a chance in H2H against a character that is on a relative level to Shin Akuma.

You mean Gen? He could beat Gen if he can beat Tengu.

Oh, and this is like saying you are overhyping Rugal if you think he stands a chance in H2H against a character that is on a relative level to Tengu or ALPHA-152.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Haha, are you trying to compare yourself to me who has sat here and debated much longer and works hard to get the respect of characters?

You do not have that much respect if you're implying that god rugal who isn't even canon can beat any version of Ryu outright. That's disrespect. Why? It's because you're using a noncanonical version of the character to win in a debate, and I know if I was to use Ryu as the devil, which is equally as noncanonical, you would not accept that since it's not coming from a canon source, which would show everyone just how hypocritical you can be.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My whole history here is full of people like you who get mad that they lose an argument and go run off.

Liiiiike you? 🙄

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Noone, and I mean noone gets me to back down.

Noone can make you admit that you were wrong either.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You’ve been here for a month and you presume you know much.

Yeah I said I know much about Rugal. Tell me what's listed on Wiki and Answers.com about Rugal isn't much. I can't wait to laugh my @$$ off.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Your opinion of me is so wrong in laughable and isn’t even worth what I put down here.

What you put down isn't worth anything since all you do it make false assumptions and use things that are not applicable to this forum.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
As fanatical as a savoring, drooling, Wolverine fanboy from straight out of the comic versus forums… but at least you try.

Lol 😆 Do you even read what you say before you respond to certain quotes? And you can say all you want about me since nothing you say even matters to begin with.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I’m pointing out that the “less favored” always have some fanatic who goes on to try to make characters more than they are to put them in a good light. It’s called counterproductive. I don’t think you understand that they aren’t perfect,

Of course they are not perfect. That's why I have said on many occasions they would lose. When have you ever admitted rugal's defeat? 😆

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and don’t substitute for actual gameplay.

Not all game mechanics are not always applicable. Don't say otherwise because it's true.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But don’t defend until you are fully aware,

I can defend because I would be stating abilities about one character and how they would help against what one else says. Also, you should take that advice since you claimed rugal would win outright and haven't given a reason.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
instead of giving your side the benefit of the doubt because you feel we are underrating your character,

Who's we? You, Remulous, and TricksterPriest.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
that makes you look more fanboyish than anything.

Not if it's coming from a pair of fanboys that are constantly against DOA.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Isn’t it my job to argue for my character in the particular match specified?

Did I say that? You're criticizing me of arguing for only one side while "apparently" not knowing much about Rugal, while you're sitting there arguing one-sided and have shown next to no knowledge about Ninja Gaiden. That's one of the many reasons why you are a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Or is it by your skewing of logic that I’m supposed to argue your character for you?

It's by your low level of intelligence that I'm supposed to argue about what Rugal can do.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You are trying to make a copout with a non-canon argument now,

Just how dense are you? If you're using a noncanonical source in your argument, you are fighting a battle that has been lost and cannot be won. Are you that thick-headed that you can't comprehend that?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
so this thing is in the bag. You’ve been owned,

On the contrary, you have been whooped pretty badly.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
you are wrong

I really hope that you'll stop being in denial soon.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
, so deal with it.

Haha, ok

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Your arguments were torn apart faster than a leper in a tornado.

Lol 😆 You wish you could've done that.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I figured you had let him do it, but if he's going to bring the non-canon crap up, he should at least follow the rules...

Coming from a person who apparently isn't aware of the rules of the forum.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh and remember to send me a Father’s Day Card, now that we know who your REAL daddy is…

It's been nice pwning you. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh and I saw Cloud on last night quoting, that means he's replying for the sake of his ego now... especially since he said he wasn't replying to a non-canon character. I'm not sure I'll bother with it this time.

You know I can use a noncanonical character as well and I'm positive that you would still say that the devil (who Ryu would be noncanonically) would not win against G Rugal. I'm not going to argue that he would win, but I'm sure you'll have the urge to say G Rugal would definitely win, and at the same time say that asking for proof is a way to stall...

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Originally posted by Remulous
Screw the right or fair thing.

Alright let's see how g rugal fares against the devil.

Originally posted by Remulous
I want the truth, the fact that Hayabusa can't beat Rugal. I want the "Real Thing".

In your fanboy dream he can't 🙄

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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
😱 Wow.......... *stands up and claps* Bravo C-master. That was the greatest owning of a fanboy I've ever seen.

Coming from the fanboy who'd never vote for a DOA character in any circumstance 🙄

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
For the record, I was letting him argue the Gaiden feats separately. but you're right, Gaiden is not part of the original match.

And you should know G rugal isn't even part of this forum as it does not allow noncanonical characters.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The problem with trying to be 'fair' is, at what point do you stop?

Just don't use noncanonical characters. Or else, I will use noncanonical characters as well.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
At some point, you just have acknowledge some people are just outclassed or that there's a higher level.

Right and you said earlier that you're not defending that rugal is as powerful as the devil incarnate, which would be used if you're using G Rugal.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Case in point: this thread, my Anubis Vs. Sephiroth thread, Thanos vs. Despero, etc. Cloud, just walk away.

Anubis vs Sephiroth I was just making an opinion on my behalf. I did not say he would win outright and I have said that certain abilities that he could use wouldn't work on Anubis anyway. Thanos vs Desperato, I don't even know about.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
you've lost, badly.

When was this exactly?

Oh and here's the threads where you've been stomped:

NG Ryu vs. SF Ryu (both versions of the topic)

Kuja vs. Anubis

Ryu runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
God Rugal destroys Hayabusa, period.

And the devil curbstomps God Rugal, period.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Accept it.

I'll accept that once you accept what's been said above.

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Originally posted by Remulous
Although I find it insane that a hand to hand Hayabusa can even begin to rival Rugal.

And I find it insane that a hand to hand Rugal can even begin to rival Ryu with all his weapons and techniques.

Originally posted by Remulous
I can understand because for a while I thought Ryu from SF was untouchable.

You still pretty much think that since you claim he's been dodging bullets in his reckless days and is faster than Hayabusa.

Originally posted by Remulous
Some times the love and respect for a character can cloud ones judgment.

That would apply to a capcom fanboy such as you.

Originally posted by Remulous
Although C Master did "TREAT" him. "TREAT"=owned

Well...on the contrary...

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Rugal isn't even illegal... *sigh* this proves why this is dumb.

He's illegal to the forum because he's not canonical.

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
*sigh* he's back to stroke his ego...

No, I'm actually back to own you once more.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
the part that amazes me is, if you're done and it's not worth your time, why post?

I agree. It was a waste of time responding to your posts seeing as how they were worthless to counter.

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
He's illegal to the forum because he's not canonical.
Prove it....

And again why waste your time? It just proves what I say above... haha...

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Prove it....

And yet again I will:

Rugal has made non-canon appearances as a playable character in The King of Fighters '98 both as normal Rugal and Omega Rugal, in The King of Fighters '2002 just as Omega Rugal, and in the Capcom vs. SNK series as normal Rugal and a new version, God Rugal. The latter version was designed by Capcom, not SNK, and is the result of Rugal having absorbed Akuma's Satsui no Hadou (or dark hadou) power after defeating him in battle. His capabilities were also toned down in the Capcom vs. SNK series, to make him more balanced against the rest of the cast.

http://www.answers.com/topic/rugal-bernstein

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And again why waste your time? It just proves what I say above... haha...

Ok...

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

That doesn't prove he isn't allowed in the forums, he's been used long before you showed up...

I like this guy. 🙂