Despero vs The Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Ouallada
Despero may take a slight majority, but surfer certainly has a good chance of getting a split if written without his pacifist attitude, and may even get a majority if his durability level and general intelligence do not fluctuate.

Surfer cannot beat Thanos. Big deal. Thanos would take an easy majority against Despero as well. Thor? Logically, surfer would be above Thor, but how many real fights have they actually had besides Blood and Thunder? I cannot even use up 5 fingers counting.

Thanos will get beaten against Despero just like Surfer. And Thor is above Surfer, I don't remeber Surfer getting any wins off of Thor. Even when Surfer was amped by Loki, Thor was holding back, a still was able to hold his own.

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Originally posted by dvampire
Surfer may not want to go h2h, but he won't be given a choice, it's going to happen. And where was increasing his strength to hulk levels when Thor and Thanos was pounding on him? Where was that speed when Thor and Thanos was pounding him? It was even stated when Thor kicking his butt, that THOR was two quick for him.

Despero wins.

Irrelevant. Original poster stated plot-induced stupidity and character-induced stupidity are off. Which means Silver Surfer would use his superior speed advantage every single time in this contest.

I acknowledge Despero's TP abilities but he would not get a chance to use them if Sufer employs speed blitz. How fast does surfer go? Fast enough to travel through time ON SPEED ALONE. Meaning his speed was such that even the smallest possible measure of time could not be used to measure his velocity, resulting in actual time travel using his speed alone.

Off the top of my head, in Infinity Gauntlet Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock are standing 1 light year away from a battle between Thanos and the Heroes. Thanos raises his Gauntlet hand during the battle and Surfer traverses a distance of 1 light year in 1 second in an attempt to wrest the Gauntlet while Thanos is distracted.

If we do math of 60 seconds X 60 minutes X 24 hours X 7 days X 52 weeks, we get 31,449,600 seconds in 1 year. An object moving at the speed of light would require this many seconds to travel the distance Surfer traveled in 1 second.

Now, keeping in mind that CIS and PIS are off, Surfer will now use the full range of his perpetually CIS-and-PIS-inhibited transmutation skills. Case being, surfer transmutes Despero into a strawberry, calls Galactus, and Galactus ingests as an appetizer before devouring a world, before Despero can even begin to think of telepathically controling norrin.

Also nevermind the fact that Silver Surfer has rejected attempts by Mephisto himself to control not his mind, but his very soul.

^this guy is knows his Surfer ^
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there is absoutly no way for despero to win a majority agiast surfer.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Irrelevant. Original poster stated plot-induced stupidity and character-induced stupidity are off. Which means Silver Surfer would use his superior speed advantage every single time in this contest.

I acknowledge Despero's TP abilities but he would not get a chance to use them if Sufer employs speed blitz. How fast does surfer go? Fast enough to travel through time ON SPEED ALONE. Meaning his speed was such that even the smallest possible measure of time could not be used to measure his velocity, resulting in actual time travel using his speed alone.

Off the top of my head, in Infinity Gauntlet Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock are standing 1 light year away from a battle between Thanos and the Heroes. Thanos raises his Gauntlet hand during the battle and Surfer traverses a distance of 1 light year in 1 second in an attempt to wrest the Gauntlet while Thanos is distracted.

If we do math of 60 seconds X 60 minutes X 24 hours X 7 days X 52 weeks, we get 31,449,600 seconds in 1 year. An object moving at the speed of light would require this many seconds to travel the distance Surfer traveled in 1 second.

Now, keeping in mind that CIS and PIS are off, Surfer will now use the full range of his perpetually CIS-and-PIS-inhibited transmutation skills. Case being, surfer transmutes Despero into a strawberry, calls Galactus, and Galactus ingests as an appetizer before devouring a world, before Despero can even begin to think of telepathically controling norrin.

Also nevermind the fact that Silver Surfer has rejected attempts by Mephisto himself to control not his mind, but his very soul.

So what you're saying is, when Thor and Thanos beat the crap out Sufer it was PIS? Or are you trying to say that every lost Surfer had is PIS? Surfer has never speedbiltzed anybody, and has never shown any type of superspeed, except in flight mode. When Surfer (and he stated that he was going all out) fought Thor, it was stated that Thor was the fastest, not Surfer. Also, Surfer doesn't have transmutation powers, so that's useless also. Again, Despero either minds rape Surfer, or just give him a good ol beat down.

Originally posted by dvampire
So what you're saying is, when Thor and Thanos beat the crap out Sufer it was PIS? Or are you trying to say that every lost Surfer had is PIS? Surfer has never speedbiltzed anybody, and has never shown any type of superspeed, except in flight mode.

that is the exact argument i make all the time. 🙂

it's the same argument that can be made to explain everytime some hits flash. 🙁

ps--mephisto is not allowed to control someone to take their souls . . . he has to have it given to him or he has to win it or trick them or they need to have been tainted by evil to begin with.

dracula however HAS thoroughly mucked with ss's mind. ss has good resistance to tp, but it's NOT perfect.

Originally posted by leonidas
dracula however HAS thoroughly mucked with ss's mind.

And was also able to bitchslap SS 😐

WIll some one please explain to me how the surfer is going to beat Despero any time considering it takes a high powered magical wielder or Supernatural power to get the outright victory. Despero has NEVER been beaten in hand to hand or in TP/TK unless by a Supernatural being. Hence his defeats at the hands of Supergirl, Zatanna, and Johnny Sorrow. And he wasn't even in his own body for two of those if I remember correctly. How come When Thanos is in a fight we all talk about how his vaunted durability and this and that and his upgrade from death but seem to forget that Despero cannot be defeated unless by Supernatural means. And the person has to be high on the food chain to do it. Surfer looses. I dont' give a damn if he were as fast as the runner, what good is it going to do it him when in character history, surfer has no power in his arsenal to win?

Originally posted by dvampire
Also, Surfer doesn't have transmutation powers, so that's useless also.

Yes he does. Do your research, I'm too lazy to look up all the specific issues.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Yes he does. Do your research, I'm too lazy to look up all the specific issues.

Transmutation means nothing when a being like Despero can control the surfer as easily as the runner did. Or just take over surfer's body and add his power to his own. Now how is surfer going to stop being taken over?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
WIll some one please explain to me how the surfer is going to beat Despero any time considering it takes a high powered magical wielder or Supernatural power to get the outright victory. Despero has NEVER been beaten in hand to hand or in TP/TK unless by a Supernatural being. Hence his defeats at the hands of Supergirl, Zatanna, and Johnny Sorrow. And he wasn't even in his own body for two of those if I remember correctly. How come When Thanos is in a fight we all talk about how his vaunted durability and this and that and his upgrade from death but seem to forget that Despero cannot be defeated unless by Supernatural means. And the person has to be high on the food chain to do it. Surfer looses. I dont' give a damn if he were as fast as the runner, what good is it going to do it him when in character history, surfer has no power in his arsenal to win?

No power in his arsenal? Did you see my post? Surfer can transmute him into a condom for all that matters. Can't use TP when brain molecules have been restructured into latex.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Transmutation means nothing when a being like Despero can control the surfer as easily as the runner did.

???

Originally posted by Tenebrous
No power in his arsenal? Did you see my post? Surfer can transmute him into a condom for all that matters. Can't use TP when brain molecules have been restructured into latex.

you nothing about Despero do you. Brain molecules have nothing to do with his power as his power is tied to his soul. He takes his power with him where ever he jumps into. the stronger the body, themore powerful as he adds that power to his own. What to stop Despero from teleporting out of the way of the transmutation blast, or putting up a TK field to block the blast? Or just taking over surfer's body?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Transmutation means nothing when a being like Despero can control the surfer as easily as the runner did. Or just take over surfer's body and add his power to his own. Now how is surfer going to stop being taken over?

Because the surfer does this before Despero can begin to send the electron pulses through his brain that issues the command to use TP to control him.

Originally posted by Soleran
???

Despero's TP is superior to the runners like ability. So it's safe to assume that the surfer is not imperivious to psychich whippings.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Because the surfer does this before Despero can begin to send the electron pulses through his brain that issues the command to use TP to control him.

Yes as Despero just stands there and allows surfer to do this becuz um you know, he' just likes being beaten. Yeah i'm sure. Despero doesn't use the brain of any one he inhabits to use his powers. They are tied to his very soul.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Despero's TP is superior to the runners like ability. So it's safe to assume that the surfer is not imperivious to psychich whippings.

Runner doesn't have TP, at all, he never "controlled" sufer.

Surfer has so much speed available to him he could transmutate Despero very quickly.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes as Despero just stands there and allows surfer to do this becuz um you know, he' just likes being beaten. Yeah i'm sure. Despero doesn't use the brain of any one he inhabits to use his powers. They are tied to his very soul.

What you didn't get from my post is that surfer does this before despero can even register his presence.

Originally posted by Soleran
Runner doesn't have TP, at all, he never "controlled" sufer.

Surfer has so much speed available to him he could transmutate Despero very quickly.

to my knowlege Surfer only uses this amazing speed in Flight and space combat. even then it's only used against multiple large targets like asteroids or space ships. WHen has surfer ever used this vuanted speed against a singular humanoid opponent? Despero is a telepath of the highest order. so reading surfer's mind won't be a problem. So surfers goes in to try and transmute and misses due to despero reading his every move and teleporting out of the way, Or blocking the blast with TK. what then?

Originally posted by Tenebrous
What you didn't get from my post is that surfer does this before despero can even register his presence.

Even register his presence? um despero is like one of the top telepaths in all of comics. how is he not goign to register the surfer's presence?