Despero vs The Silver Surfer

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
to my knowlege Surfer only uses this amazing speed in Flight and space combat. even then it's only used against multiple large targets like asteroids or space ships. WHen has surfer ever used this vuanted speed against a singular humanoid opponent? Despero is a telepath of the highest order. so reading surfer's mind won't be a problem. So surfers goes in to try and transmute and misses due to despero reading his every move and teleporting out of the way, Or blocking the blast with TK. what then?

As Surfer travels at hyperspeed he is able to see recognize and adjust according to his perceptions.

All he has to do is fix on Despero's energy signature and wham it's done.

Also Surfer has been able to stand up to Moondragon with the mind gem, he'll be just fine around Despero. It also took ALOT of work from "godlike" cable to even be able to communicate with surfer with TP.

Originally posted by Soleran
As Surfer travels at hyperspeed he is able to see recognize and adjust according to his perceptions.

All he has to do is fix on Despero's energy signature and wham it's done.

Also Surfer has been able to stand up to Moondragon with the mind gem, he'll be just fine around Despero. It also took ALOT of work from "godlike" cable to even be able to communicate with surfer with TP.

Moondragon with the mind gem is a punk. She hasn't done anything to suggest is she is anything to be used as a feat. Martian manhunter is a far superior telepath than xaviur, able to beat even 75 other superior telepathic martians and see thru thier gize as well as shut down thier memories and he is utterly useless against Despero. So I take it Despero is Far Superior to moondragon as well. Surfer travels at high speeds. But fighting wise? never seen him do it to a humanoid. Exactly what is surfer goign to do when he's taken over by Despero? And Surfer has been shown to be weak to TP. Despero is surely one of the beings in comics who can do it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
to my knowlege Surfer only uses this amazing speed in Flight and space combat. even then it's only used against multiple large targets like asteroids or space ships. WHen has surfer ever used this vuanted speed against a singular humanoid opponent? Despero is a telepath of the highest order. so reading surfer's mind won't be a problem. So surfers goes in to try and transmute and misses due to despero reading his every move and teleporting out of the way, Or blocking the blast with TK. what then?

transmutation isn't a "blast" or beam. It's exactly what it is, restructuring and rearranging matter. How exactly this is done (via TK, or whatever) hasn't been revealed. in other words it's not so much surfer firing a beam that, upon impact, transmutes the matter it contacts, but rather surfer (as a derivative of galactus' ability) has direct manipulation of matter. it's basically like how magneto can control the flow of iron in someone's bloodstream...there's no "blast," he just manipulates it.

surfer's mind is highly resistant to telepathic invasion. this was done purposely, once again, by galactus. it's debatable whether he can withstand despero's but the point is that surfer's execution of tactics is faster that the execution of TP

Originally posted by Tenebrous
transmutation isn't a "blast" or beam. It's exactly what it is, restructuring and rearranging matter. How exactly this is done (via TK, or whatever) hasn't been revealed. in other words it's not so much surfer firing a beam that, upon impact, transmutes the matter it contacts, but rather surfer (as a derivative of galactus' ability) has direct manipulation of matter. it's basically like how magneto can control the flow of iron in someone's bloodstream...there's no "blast," he just manipulates it.

surfer's mind is highly resistant to telepathic invasion. this was done purposely, once again, by galactus. it's debatable whether he can withstand despero's but the point is that surfer's execution of tactics is faster that the execution of TP

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Exactly what makes you think Surfers Execution of Matter manip would be faster than Despero's Tk or taking over his body? Also TK has been shown to be able to Rearrange matter. Maxima does it all the time and she is no where near the Psy that Despero is. I think Despero could resist Matter manip with force of will and his own Tk.

This makes me think that Surfer's execution is faster than Despero's TK:

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Surfer assesses the situation as he thinks to himself and executes action iin a nanosecond. To illustrate how quickly this is, when you blink your eye the entire blink motion is a duration of 50 million nanoseconds. an object traveling at the speed of light covers a distance of 30 centimeters in 1 nanosecond.

And despero resisting transmutation with his tk, given that he could actually be aware of it taking place before surfer executes and completes the transmutation in however nanoseconds it will take him, there is no indication that he would resist by force of will or tk. Unless you can provide scans that show instances of him resisting transmutation by the force of telekenesis.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
This makes me think that Surfer's execution is faster than Despero's TK:

photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/marvel_comics_presents_001-29.jpg

Surfer assesses the situation as he thinks to himself and executes action iin a nanosecond. To illustrate how quickly this is, when you blink your eye the entire blink motion is a duration of 50 million nanoseconds. an object traveling at the speed of light covers a distance of 30 centimeters in 1 nanosecond.

And despero resisting transmutation with his tk, given that he could actually be aware of it taking place before surfer executes and completes the transmutation in however nanoseconds it will take him, there is no indication that he would resist by force of will or tk. Unless you can provide scans that show instances of him resisting transmutation by the force of telekenesis.

ANd I want you to show me a scan of the surfer transmuting anyone as powerful as despero. Who can soul hop I might add.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd I want you to show me a scan of the surfer transmuting anyone as powerful as despero. Who can soul hop I might add.

don't need to. it's already established that surfer can transmute matter. this is fact.

what ISN'T established is whether despero can defend against transmutation though telekenesis. This is conjecture. You need to prove that he can do this.

I don't need to prove that surfer can transmute someone "as powerful as despero" because that implicitly means that surfer's ability to transmute is negatively related to the target's powerlevel. This may or may not be the case but I don't need to refute the idea because the point is not whether surfer can transmute, because obviously, he can.

the point is whether despero can defend against the transmutations. has he ever used tk to do that? has he used tk to manipulate matter on the molecular level to his will?

and again all of despero's abilities to defend via tk, soul hop, etc. are useless if surfer executes his tactics with his superior speed.

how are you going to address the nanosecond reaction/reflex time of the surfer? can despero act that quickly?

If you can prove that he can use tk to manipulate matter, you then have to prove that he can react/execute his tk defense quickly enough to be delivered within very same nanosecond that surfer tries to transmute him.

I agree that this is not about power. Thanos is inmune to SS's rearranging matter because he is imprevious to reality warping powers. Its needed to prove that Despero has a power that its at least tied with such resistance.

Originally posted by Bentley
I agree that this is not about power. Thanos is inmune to SS's rearranging matter because he is imprevious to reality warping powers.

Originally posted by Bentley
Its needed to prove that Despero has a power that its at least tied with such resistance.

Surfer doesn't have transmutation powers. He never transmuted a living being.

And Despero wins, since he can do alot to Surfer.

Originally posted by dvampire
Surfer doesn't have transmutation powers.

Originally posted by dvampire
Surfer doesn't have transmutation powers. He never transmuted a living being.

And Despero wins, since he can do alot to Surfer.

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Originally posted by dvampire
Surfer doesn't have transmutation powers. He never transmuted a living being.

He can transform states of matter. 😐
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Originally posted by dvampire
And Despero wins, since he can do alot to Surfer.

Originally posted by Priest
He can transform states of matter. 😐
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ur getting Despero and Surfer mixed up.

He transmuted the rocks around DD and Spiderman.

Show me a scan of Surfer Transmuting some please?

Oh and Despero wins.

Originally posted by dvampire
He transmuted the rocks around DD and Spiderman.
Show me a scan of Surfer Transmuting some please?

Originally posted by dvampire
Oh and Despero wins.

their is no indication that Despero can resisit transmution.
Surfer wins because Despero cant do jack shit to him.

Hitting the surfer till he stops moving seems to work for Thanos so why wouldn't it work for another above top tier team busting character?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Hitting till he stops moving seems to work for Thanos so why wouldn't it work for another above top tier team busting character?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Thanos uses cosmic power to boost his strenght.

Thanos uses cosmic power to boost his strenght.

Still no reason to assume he's any stronger than Despero. Out muscling Superman, Captain Marvel and Wonder woman at the same time easily puts him up with Thanos.

Besides doesn't despero use the flame of pytar to augment his strength?

Thanos usally have a cosmic arua around his fists when battling surfer

And Surfer has a weakness to cosmic energy or something? Where does this Surfer is indestructible thing come from? I know he's taken supernovas and what not, but all top tiers survive things like that at some point in their career. They can still be downed by a powerful enough punch.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Still no reason to assume he's any stronger than Despero. Out muscling Superman, Captain Marvel and Wonder woman at the same time easily puts him up with Thanos.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Besides doesn't despero use the flame of pytar to augment his strength?.

PC>Flame of Pytar.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
And Surfer has a weakness to cosmic energy or something? Where does this Surfer is indestructible thing come from?
Thanos control over PC>Surfers, its that simple.

[QUOTE=8270896]Originally posted by Galvaclaw
[B]I know he's taken supernovas and what not, but all top tiers survive things like that at some point in their career. They can still be downed by a powerful enough punch.