Merlyn,Roma & Ancient One vs DC Universe

Who wins

Merlyn- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlyn_(Marvel_Comics)

Roma- http://www.marvel.com/universe/Roma

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Ancient One/In his Prime- http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/a/ancientone.htm

DC universe. Merlyn and Roma have massive roles, but not massive power. Dont get me wrong theyre powerful but no greater than the abstracts. They have access to machinery which can destroy universes but they cant do so themselves with their inherent power as far as we've seen.

They have Omi-Versal power I heard.

Doesn't Jim Jasper have Abstract Power?

Originally posted by golem370
They have Omi-Versal power I heard.

Nope. They have an omniversal role apparently but not power. Power wise they havent shown themselves to be beyond the abstracts.

Merlyn depended on the multiversal interface Phoenix stabilized. When Meghgan destroyed it he was angered claiming that power would be scarce without it. The fact that he was angered and what he said on the matter shows he couldnt stabilize the energy matrix himself and also that he doesnt have great inherent power.

Originally posted by golem370
Doesn't Jim Jasper have Abstract Power?

Yep.

Originally posted by golem370
Doesn't Jim Jasper have Abstract Power?

Jaspers 238 completely warped his Universe,

and Jaspers 616 was far more powerful than his counter-part.

Abstracts can't destroy Universes.

Well the Phoenix Force ONCE destroyed a Divergent Reality (in a WHAT IF) but most of us don't take WHAT IFs to seriously.

In WHAT IFs, Wolverine has killed gods. 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jaspers 238 completely warped his Universe,

and Jaspers 616 was far more powerful than his counter-part.

Abstracts can't destroy Universes.

Well the Phoenix Force ONCE destroyed a Divergent Reality (in a WHAT IF) but most of us don't take WHAT IFs to seriously.

In WHAT IFs, Wolverine has killed gods. 😂

Eternity can and has warp all that is a universe.

The Phoenix has also displayed feats that show it is capable of destroying a universe if that was its wish. Youre a biased incredibly illogical debater. No worries. We all have our faults.🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity can and has warp all that is a universe.

True,

I didn't mean to exclude him.

Eternity & Death even created a Universe once from scratch, but again, it was a Divergent Reality in a WHAT IF.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Phoenix has also displayed feats that show it is capable of destroying a universe if that was its wish.

I mentioned Phoenix's consumption of a Divergent Reality in a "WHAT IF" Book.

But you know I don't agree Phoenix can destroy 616 Eternity.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre a biased incredibly illogical debater. No worries. We all have our faults

Dude,

why did you wake up such a D*CK today?

Originally posted by Mr Master
But you know I don't agree Phoenix can destroy 616 Eternity.

Given Phoenixes feats within and on 616 i beg to differ.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude,

why did you wake up such a D*CK today?

🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

The Phoenix has also displayed feats that show it is capable of destroying a universe if that was its wish.

Sorry Im new, and i LOVE the phoenix, what feats has she performed that show she can destroy multiverses ?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Given Phoenixes feats within and on 616 i beg to differ.

😎

I'll respect your opinion, no more condescending put downs or snide remarks coming this camp.

So let's try and keep it civil from now on.

Originally posted by General Mess
Sorry Im new, and i LOVE the phoenix, what feats has she performed that show she can destroy multiverses ?

In a What If Phoenix has consumed a universe.

In a What If The Living Tribunal asked Phoenix not to take a host because its power would prove to be too great a threat to the multiverse within a host.

In 616 Phoenixes ability to destroy the universe is well documented and acknowledged by a variety of cosmics. Eternity says Phoenix is the power that sparks the universe anew after the end of the previous one.

One of Phoenixes many avatars has manipulated the 616 universe at an atomic level in the palm of her hand.

Jean has amputated the future of 616 nearly killing Eternity. (He would have died if she hadnt healed the damage she did by altering the pat thereby growing a new future)

Jean has also re-energized the fields which bound the multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😎

I'll respect your opinion, no more condescending put downs or snide remarks coming this camp.

So let's try and keep it civil from now on.

Thats entirely cool with me. I reacted i never initiated this.

If someone has a different opinion to me, i dont respond with aggression, i just make my point clear and justify it. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

One of Phoenixes many avatars has manipulated the 616 universe at an atomic level in the palm of her hand.

Cool do u have a scan ?????
😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean has amputated the future of 616 nearly killing Eternity. (He would have died if she hadnt healed the damage she did by altering the pat thereby growing a new future)
.

How do you amputate a future, i thought time was just the passing of entropy ?

Originally posted by General Mess
Cool do u have a scan ?????
😄

I do indeed. 😖hifty:

She materializes the universe into the White Hot Room where she later goes about healing it by altering its past, thereby growing it a new future to replace the one she'd cut away earlier.

Originally posted by General Mess
How do you amputate a future

By not being bound by the laws of space/time. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I do indeed. 😖hifty:

She materializes the universe into the White Hot Room where she later goes about healing it by altering its past, thereby growing it a new future to replace the one she'd cut away earlier.

By not being bound by the laws of space/time. 😄

So she doesn't T.K. manipulate it all, just change a past event to contigently alter the future .... Ohhh that doesn't sound so impressive. The M'Krann crystsal is much better. P.S. I can't read what she is saying in that scan, what issue is it from ?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In a What If Phoenix has consumed a universe.

True.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In a What If The Living Tribunal asked Phoenix not to take a host because its power would prove to be too great a threat to the multiverse within a host.

I disagree.

All you have to do is Unbalance the Mystical Energies of ONE Universe, and that threatens the Multiverse.

(from the same Issue)

"with Earth's PLANE so Unbalanced Mystically, due to it's convergence with Limbo ... it is only a matter of time before the Living Tribunal arrives"

"the Tribunal's role is to ensure the Balance of the Mystic Energies in the Multi-verse"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In 616 Phoenixes ability to destroy the universe is well documented and acknowledged by a variety of cosmics. Eternity says Phoenix is the power that sparks the universe anew after the end of the previous one.

Phoenix has NEVER defeated or destroyed ANY Eternity of ANY Universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity says Phoenix is the power that sparks the universe anew after the end of the previous one.

Yet this has NEVER happened.

The ONLY Natural Big Bang event ever to take place On Panel, was when the 616 Universe/Eternity was destoryed by and became Entropy,

and then Entropy became the Big Bang and exploded into Eternity,

starting everything Anew.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
One of Phoenixes many avatars has manipulated the 616 universe at an atomic level in the palm of her hand.

"One of Phoenix's many avatars?"

You mean Jean Grey the White Phoenix of the Crown, MOST powerful Avatar supposedly "manipulated" a universe.

NO mention it was 616 or Eternity.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean has amputated the future of 616 nearly killing Eternity. (He would have died if she hadnt healed the damage she did by altering the pat thereby growing a new future)

Where and when is Eternity or 616 ever mentioned?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean has also re-energized the fields which bound the multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal.

"re-energized"?

I think NOT.

Jean with the help of ALL the X-Men was able to REPAIR the Lattice, NOT "re-energized" it.

"a Network of interlocking Stasis Fields NEUTRALIZES the power of the N-Galaxy"....she was only able to knit the interlocking Stasis Fields back together

Phoenix even says, their "ONLY Hope is to Knit the Lattice Back Together BEFORE it PASSES the Point of No Return"

Originally posted by General Mess
So she doesn't T.K. manipulate it all, just change a past event to contigently alter the future .... Ohhh that doesn't sound so impressive. The M'Krann crystsal is much better. P.S. I can't read what she is saying in that scan, what issue is it from ?

She telekinetically manipulates the universe at an atomic level in order to materialize it within the White Hot Room. Hence the sudden appearance of the universe in her hand and the Consciousness' reference to her telekinetic control of all of the atoms of the universe.

Its from New X-men 154 Yahman. 🙂

The M'kraan crystal feat is very impressive i agree. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
She telekinetically manipulates the universe at an atomic level in order to materialize it within the White Hot Room. Hence the sudden appearance of the universe in her hand and the Consciousness' reference to her telekinetic control of all of the atoms of the universe.

Its from New X-men 154 Yahman. 🙂

The M'kraan crystal feat is very impressive i agree. 😄

As in the Morisson run ?,

Going through a worm hole from one point in space to another Dimension doesn't involve T.K. manipulation at a atomic scale.

who is this yahman you speak of ?