Originally posted by Galan007
🤨sampunch
Why do you go into almost every thread and say that?
It gets annoying, and it makes you looks rediculous. Especially when LT isn't even in that particular thread.
Galan, just responded to GS
U have to agree, hasn't the thread gone on too long
Its ridiculous
I am still sad, my thread was closed 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Unless you can find sources saying the energies of the Big Bang aren’t Phoenix then presenting a contrary opinion to scans which CAN be interpreted my way is just not good enough.
The Entropy Big Bang is the ONLY Natural one ever depicted On Panel, and 616 Eternity was the focal point of the story.
The Universe/Eternity collapses upon itself as it's supposed to because of Entropy and Genis,
Universe became Entropy, (as it's suppose to)
Then Entropy initiated a Natural Big Bang,
Then Entropy becomes the New Universe/Eternity.
Even Genis said, that Eternity said, "AT LAST" when he was destroyed by them.
"the Universe was living on BORROWED Time"
"Eternity didn't want to keep going"
This is why Entropy and Genis were able to Kill Eternity so effortlessly, it was the Universes Time to go, in order to be Born Anew (Natural Big Bang)
"the Cosmos was already in its death throes"
Why would Eternity say "AT LAST?"
That was possibly the FIRST time he was ever Re-Created from a Natural Big Bang, and it was definitely the first time On Panel.
That's the purpose of these Two Concepts, Entropy collapses the Universe to a single point, (which is him) and then he Explodes (Big Bang) and Creates/becomes a Universe which becomes Eternity again.
(the Natural Scheme of Things)
Many of us have been arguing about the Big Bang.
I seen alot of hyperbole, claims filled with talk and NO action,
well HERE it is, ON PANEL Stated and Artistically depicted.
This is WHO the Big Bang truly is:
When Entropy and Insane Genis Erased Eternity from existence, Entropy quickly begins to feel the weight of meaninglessness.
"Is this, all there is?"
Genis explains to Entropy what his purpose is, that being the Implosion of a Universe.
Entropy realizes that in erasing Eternity (his Father) he has gained everything, which is nothing.
Entropy knows his existence is meaningless without Eternity, so Rick suggests CREATING a New Universe.
This goes against Entropy's Conceptual Nature, he can only destroy Eternity, BUT since Eternity is no longer in existence, Entropy has NO Conceptual Laws to abide by and thus CAN Create instead of Un-create.
Entropy finds meaning again, but doesn't know what to Create, Rick tells him to start with what he knows.
Entropy only knows what Eternity was, and decides to Create that.
Entropy CAN Kill Eternity any time he feels like it. (that's his purpose as a Concept)
Yet, Entropy doesn't know where to begin, cause Creating is something he's never done,
but Entropy IS the Universe right now, so Genis shoots him and Entropy Explodes (BIG BANG) into a UNIVERSE/Eternity.
continues in the next post...
Originally posted by Mr Master
Madelyn gets the upper hand and takes control of the FULL Phoenix Force:
"I've got no competition for dominion over THIS Universe, for the power of the Phoenix is here and mine"Madelyn or any other would be able to "Unbalance" ONE Universe with the Phoenix Force, therefore causing a Multiversal Imbalance.
Madelyn doesn't claim the "Multiverse" will be hers, but just ONE Universe, "THIS Universe"
Madelyne claiming she'll be able to take over the universe doesnt mean that the captions stating that the Phoenix power being bonded to a host is a threat to the multiverse are discounted.
Nor do her intentions have any reference to her unbalancing the mystical forces of a universe. Youre speculating.
Madelynes intentions were universal, that doesnt equate to the full scope of the Phoenix power being limited to merely the universal. When bonded to a host the Phoenix power is said to be uncontrollable and therefore a threat to the multiverse. The Phoenix power wasn’t stated to be a threat to the multiverse because a host would unbalance the mystical forces of the universe. Stop trying to link Strange’s unrelated comment about what the demons were doing to reality to the captions about what the Phoenix power could do within a host. No connection was made on panel, no precedence for the Phoenix power merely unbalancing the mystical forces of a universe to destroy it in ANY continuity therefore you have no case to present at all.
Originally posted by Mr Master
ALL TALK and NO Action.WHERE and WHEN has Phoenix EVER initiated a Big Bang ON PANEL?
WHERE and WHEN has Phoenix EVER Created a Universe?
The energies from which a universe is derived from are the Phoenix Force.
The Phoenixes rebirth into reality out of the void is the Big Bang in the natural scheme of things. Phoenix says it came into being in the Big Bang event. The Big Bang is depicted on panel and its development of sentience is depicted on panel with the Force stating that that is how it came into being. It is clear that it is the energies of the Big Bang gone sentient:
That is a clear depiction on panel of the Big Bang and of it becoming sentient and therefore giving us the Phoenix Force at a universal level.
Hence why Reed says the energies of creation are the Big Bang is the Phoenix Force:
Hence why the Firebird, the avatar of the Phoenix Force is called a LITERAL manifestation of the Big Bang:
Again why the Phoenix Force avatar is called a flame from the Big Bang:
Hence why the Force calls itself the sum and substance of all that lives:
Death calls it the sum and substance of all that lives:
And why it refers to itself as the mother of the stars.
And the Cube beings portray the Force as the power behind the stars
The fundamental energy sources for all reality.
The celestial bodies whose energy and matter goes on to form planets and all life.
Entropy was merely the embodiment of A PART OF THE CYCLE.
Entropy embodied the end of the cycle, the point where all energy becomes uniform and inert, hence why he appeared to be a bleached out Eternity. He was the endpoint of the universal timeline and so a part of Eternity or more specifically a future state of Eternity.
That is why the universe of Marvel was recreated when Captain Marvel blew up Entropy:
Entropy never let out an energy discharge and created a Big Bang. He was the future state of the universe, the point of entropy; he got blown up, resulting in a Big Bang.
That stands to reason. The Big Bang is the sum and substance of all that is reality. Blow up reality, you get a Big Bang of sorts.
It is also why Eternity states that he is the alpha and omega:
HIS beginning and end, because Entropy is one and the same as Eternity. He was just the future state of Eternity. His schemes resulted in the end of reality and then when Entropy was blown up the cycle was initiated again and Eternity reformed. The end is embodied by Eternity (as Entropy) and Eternity is what we have in the beginning.
That point doesn’t discount the fact that the energies of the Big Bang are by canon the Phoenix Force.
The spark that ignites creation anew
The reassurance of life after the old cycle as stated by Eternity:
An unnatural Big Bang (ala this premature Entropy induced one) being brought about from that which is already there (e.g. the blowing up of reality) doesn’t discredit the established continuity that Phoenix is the energies of creation, the Big Bang in the natural scheme of things. Entropy merely got blown up resulting in the dispersal of all that is reality, a new Big Bang, which canon for decades has dictated is the Phoenix Force.
