Does god make mistakes

Started by Symmetric Chaos5 pages
Symmetric Chaos Fractal King
Originally posted by Thundar
I don't see how this insinuates that God made a mistake. One can have regret or sorrow over something, without having made a mistake.

If God is not admitting to having made a mistake then he's been awful vindictive and childish. He feels regret that something he did didn't work out correctly. So subconciously God thinks he messed up.

Originally posted by Thundar
With that being said, I truly regret if anything I've stated above has hurt your feelings.

You haven't.

Nellinator Crazy Canuck

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What kind of nut-case is this guy?

He made us so that we would screw up and then punishes us because we do exactly what he expected. Thats insane.


He did not make us to screw up, but he knew that we would. There is a big difference. Why would anyone have children knowing that they will leave?

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
Originally posted by Nellinator
He did not make us to screw up, but he knew that we would. There is a big difference. Why would anyone have children knowing that they will leave?

He knew but didn't stop us... 😱 BTW who is this "he" you keep talking about? 😉

Thundar Restricted
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If God is not admitting to having made a mistake then he's been awful vindictive and childish. He feels regret that something he did didn't work out correctly. So subconciously God thinks he messed up.

I know you've already stated that you don't believe in God and all, but let's assume for a minute that you do.

Imagine for a minute if you will, that this supremely powerful being, who has control over space, time, reality, and everything else you can imagine, comes to you(and only you) and says.."mr. Symmetric, I've screwed up, I shouldn't have done what I did..but I did, and I'm sorry."

After he admits this mistake to you, what do you think the ultimate outcome will be for you, me, and everyone else?

How comfortable would you feel knowing that ultimate power and ultimate knowledge, was in the hands of something that was capable of slipping up and misusing this power at any time?

To me, the answers are quite obvious. I shudder to think about the fate of this universe, if it was to fall in the hands of a fallible God. Lucky for both of us, the God that possesses such might is truly a loving one. I can tell you right now my friend, that neither of us would be alive right now, if a fallible God possessed it.

Thundar Restricted
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
He knew but didn't stop us... 😱 BTW who is this "he" you keep talking about? 😉

I think "he" refers to the ultimate "Lion Monarch"...or as Christians refer to him.."God." I believe that you can be with this "Lion Monarch" to someday, if you really want to. Please take note though, that being with him, doesn't necessarily mean that you are him.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
Originally posted by Thundar
I think "he" refers to the ultimate "Lion Monarch"...or as Christians refer to him.."God." I believe that you can be with this "Lion Monarch" to someday, if you really want to. Please take note though, that being with him, doesn't necessarily mean that you are him.

The Lion Monarch is taken from Buddhist mythology.

" To be uncompromising when confronting evil, like a lion monarch"
For the Sake pf Peace pp 40-60

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Originally posted by Thundar
I know you've already stated that you don't believe in God and all, but let's assume for a minute that you do.

Imagine for a minute if you will, that this supremely powerful being, who has control over space, time, reality, and everything else you can imagine, comes to you(and only you) and says.."mr. Symmetric, I've screwed up, I shouldn't have done what I did..but I did, and I'm sorry."

After he admits this mistake to you, what do you think the ultimate outcome will be for you, me, and everyone else?

😆 😆

The idea of God apologizing us funny I'll admit. Douglas Adams once wrote that God's final message to creation was "WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIECE" (in all capital flaming letters the size of buildings)

But IMO I would rather live in a world controled by a God that would be able to say "Gee this didn't quite work out. I guess I messed up. I'll have to remember this next time".

Originally posted by Thundar

How comfortable would you feel knowing that ultimate power and ultimate knowledge, was in the hands of something that was capable of slipping up and misusing this power at any time?

To me, the answers are quite obvious. I shudder to think about the fate of this universe, if it was to fall in the hands of a fallible God. Lucky for both of us, the God that possesses such might is truly a loving one. I can tell you right now my friend, that neither of us would be alive right now, if a fallible God possessed it.

You should watch Melancholy my friend.

FeceMan Restricted

Originally posted by black_goku#1
i believe there is a reason the old testament is rarely mentioned except when the story shows gods grace god was wrathful to the extreme and then he became all forgiving does he make mistakes i say yes he does me being one... which would mean i believe that he exits but like us he is flawed and so is christianity((oops spelled that wrong)) hmmm i think i just solved my religious delimma 😱 💃 💃 💃 😱 💃

Yes, He does, as evidenced by your existence (though we can't throw out a night of drunken debauchery involving malfunctioning prophylactics).

😛

Adam_PoE Senior Member
Originally posted by Nellinator
Not really, God never made a mistake, his creation was corrupted by us and the devil. There is a big difference and that is the point of this thread if I have any reading comprehension.

Creating something that could be corrupted in the first place is His mistake.

Storm Black belt BJJ

Originally posted by Thundar
I don't see how this insinuates that God made a mistake. One can have regret or sorrow over something, without having made a mistake.

Medieval Christian theologians like Anselm and even Augustine argued that an absolutely perfect being (an important attribute commonly ascribed to God) must be impassible, being incapable of any feelings, but particularly sorrow or suffering.

However, not all theologians (especially today) accept such a notion.

Mindship Snap out of it.

Does god make mistakes

Depends what you mean by "God."

As I would use the word: of course God makes mistakes. If he didn't, then "mistakes" would be something "outside of God," in which case, God would not be Ultimate, Absolute and Infinite. There'd be a bigger reality: God-and-mistakes.

Basically, this thread is an example-specific variation of the Omnipotence Paradox, a question unanswerable by reason.

debbiejo Dreamer

Re: Does god make mistakes

Originally posted by Mindship
Depends what you mean by "God."

As I would use the word: of course God makes mistakes. If he didn't, then "mistakes" would be something "outside of God," in which case, God would not be Ultimate, Absolute and Infinite. There'd be a bigger reality: God-and-mistakes.

Basically, this thread is an example-specific variation of the Omnipotence Paradox, a question unanswerable by reason.

Yeah. Some belive if you look outside the box of what we would call god, then god doesn't make mistakes. There is a bigger picture. A little example, not a good one though: A person who loves ants watches them as a rain storm starts to come in, the person pushes the ants into the hole yelling, "I am helping you", the ants see it as "What the heck is going on? This life is chaotic and full of stress." But the bigger picture is that it's for the ants own good maybe to change and adapt, maybe to be a learning experience, maybe a miracle. No judgment in it only the force of the Universe....

Not quite a good example.

Nellinator Crazy Canuck

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Creating something that could be corrupted in the first place is His mistake.

It's not mistake. He was capable of creating something that was incorruptible and perfect, but He chose not to. Making something flawed on purpose does not equal imperfection of the creator.

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King
Originally posted by Nellinator
It's not mistake. He was capable of creating something that was incorruptible and perfect, but He chose not to.

Then why punish us for not being perfect?

Nellinator Crazy Canuck

He gives us the truth and then if we reject it's our fault. If we accept, but then don't strive for perfection found in God it is our fault. If we accept it and honour God with our lives it is our blessing.

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King
Originally posted by Nellinator
He gives us the truth and then if we reject it's our fault. If we accept, but then don't strive for perfection found in God it is our fault. If we accept it and honour God with our lives it is our blessing.

I accept God's truth but not your truth (watcha gonna do now?)

Nellinator Crazy Canuck

That depends on what you think God's truth is.

Capt_Fantastic Restricted
Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes, there is definite evidence of it in both anthropological and archaelogical fields. The extent of it I have yet to decide. At the very least it was over a large area of the Middle East.

Where is this proof?

"I have yet to decide"? Who do you think you are?

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King
Originally posted by Nellinator
That depends on what you think God's truth is.

For the sake of argument lets say it's not what you think it is.

Nellinator Crazy Canuck

Umm... they dug up Ur and found a layer 12 ft. thick of silt that could only have been left by a massive flood. Underneath that they found a far more primitive civilization.

I can't decide what I think for myself? I'm not allowed to believe what I think is most probable for the situation based on the evidence? I don't know what your problem is.