Originally posted by Nellinator
Umm... they dug up Ur and found a layer 12 ft. thick of silt that could only have been left by a massive flood. Underneath that they found a far more primitive civilization.I can't decide what I think for myself? I'm not allowed to believe what I think is most probable for the situation based on the evidence? I don't know what your problem is.
Umm..they dug up an Ur. But that's not to say it was the biblical Ur. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Middle East is a hell of a lot bigger than Ur.
You can't decide what you think for yourself? Is that rhetorical?
Depends what you mean by truth. I believe that is truth that when you mix sodium hydroxide and hydrochloric acid that you get table salt and water which the Bible does not mention and I do believe that non-Bible believers are more than capable of telling the truth...
Sow what do you mean by 'real truth'.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Umm..they dug up an Ur. But that's not to say it was the biblical Ur. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Middle East is a hell of a lot bigger than Ur.You can't decide what you think for yourself? Is that rhetorical?
It was rhetorical. I'm wondering why you think it is cocky of me to decided what I believe about things, but if your problem was with my wording inferring that I thought I had the authorative decision I apologize.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Why would a perfect being deliberately create an imperfect creation?
Symmetric Chaos:
Yes, I believe that what God says to be truth and I believe He says it through the Bible.
Originally posted by Nellinator
The dig at Ur was the first to turn up evidence of the Flood (or the Deluge as many like to call it) and led to searching other places in the Middle East that confirmed its happening. However, the extent of the flooding seems to dissipate moving out from the Middle East as the silt layer gets thinner. Anthropologically almost every tribe worldwide has a legend of a massive destructive flood which likely has truth behind it.It was rhetorical. I'm wondering why you think it is cocky of me to decided what I believe about things, but if your problem was with my wording inferring that I thought I had the authorative decision I apologize.
It's cocky of you to decide what you believe about things when you talk about god doing most of your really important thinking for you.
Wow, thanks for the update. I'm aware that there are many cultures that direct their religious mythology back to some flood event. But, we aren't talking about "almost every tribe" are we? We're talking about the foundation of your version of christianity. There are no geographical foot notes in your beliefs in any other guidelines of the bible. Did Jesus get crucified just for those people who heard him speak in person? Or did his actions effect all of humanity? Did god use the rabbit ears hand gesture to indicate he was only about "the humanity" of the middle east? Or was it supposed to apply to his creation, as in all of his creation?
Don't lend credence to your argument by citing examples from religions, past and present, to corroborate your opinion when your opinion of those myths and religions are that they're all crap in light of the one real truth you have been preaching about on this site for teh last 6 months.
As for modern Ur, as soon as they come up with some solid proof that it's the UR mentioned in the bible, I'll buy it.
Originally posted by Capt_FantasticPerhaps it would be best if you understood that I believe that most ancient religions carry grains of the truth in them, but that the Bible is the only piece of literature that maintains that truth.
It's cocky of you to decide what you believe about things when you talk about god doing most of your really important thinking for you.Wow, thanks for the update. I'm aware that there are many cultures that direct their religious mythology back to some flood event. But, we aren't talking about "almost every tribe" are we? We're talking about the foundation of your version of christianity. There are no geographical foot notes in your beliefs in any other guidelines of the bible. Did Jesus get crucified just for those people who heard him speak in person? Or did his actions effect all of humanity? Did god use the rabbit ears hand gesture to indicate he was only about "the humanity" of the middle east? Or was it supposed to apply to his creation, as in all of his creation?
Don't lend credence to your argument by citing examples from religions, past and present, to corroborate your opinion when your opinion of those myths and religions are that they're all crap in light of the one real truth you have been preaching about on this site for teh last 6 months.
As for modern Ur, as soon as they come up with some solid proof that it's the UR mentioned in the bible, I'll buy it.
There is evidence. The Bible says that Abraham came from 'Ur of the Chaldees'. Modern Ur is known to be a Chaldean city. There is no evidence that the Bible is speaking of another city.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Perhaps it would be best if you understood that I believe that most ancient religions carry grains of the truth in them, but that the Bible is the only piece of literature that maintains that truth.There is evidence. The Bible says that Abraham came from 'Ur of the Chaldees'. Modern Ur is known to be a Chaldean city. There is no evidence that the Bible is speaking of another city.
For once, I'm not talking about the bible being in error. I'm talking about modern science being wrong. Looking back, there is no factual basis for Ur being in the location of the modern archaeological site. In fact, there are arguments about Abraham being Chaldean or Syrian. Mesopotamia, or modern Iraq, and Syria are two different places.
Interesting, although the inscriptions on the bricks of ziggurat attribute its construction to Ur-Nannu as does the inscriptions left by Nabonidus the Babylonian king that restored it. If I remember correctly other sources from other digs seem to point to the modern Ur indeed being a Chaldean capital.
Abraham's national identity isn't quite clear perhaps, but he seems to have been a nomadic person. It wouldn't surprise me if he had travelled to many places during his life and that it was simply that he was at Ur when he was called by God. Actually, there seems to be evidence that Abraham was actually from the regions around Mari.