I would say "pretty" durable considering he gets hit all the time and his shield is down 99% of the time.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Anyone have a Youtube video of the X-men tv cartoon from the 90's? There is an episode in which Shi'ar got a hold of Juggy and threw him miles and miles away.Even Jubilee says something like "Gosh, I've never seen anyone do that to the Juggernaut"
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
And Juggernaut beat the Hell out of Thor. I don't nessasarily mean in this issue, but in there second fight, Juggernaut could have also won.
The shatterstar thing is moot, it's a magic sword. Hulk never harmed him, just knocked the air out of him. Thor disconnected Jug from his power source, making him vulnerable. He basically fought the depowered version of Jugg there. Venom scared him, so...yeah. NC made him say "ahh!" on reflex.
He's pretty much invulnerable, though.
Originally posted by long pig
The shatterstar thing is moot, it's a magic sword. Hulk never harmed him, just knocked the air out of him. Thor disconnected Jug from his power source, making him vulnerable. He basically fought the depowered version of Jugg there. Venom scared him, so...yeah. NC made him say "ahh!" on reflex.He's pretty much invulnerable, though.
What I also want to know is, just where does it come from that Juggernaut is completely impervious to harm without his shield?
example of juggernaut powers.
Originally posted by AccelYeah that did happen but some people credit to the pyshic backlash som epeople say he just got knocked down.
I figured that since Hulk did knock the wind out of him and Cain ended up on his knees, that meant he was harmed, if even only a little bit. That's usually what it means for every one else. The Thor incident didn't involve Thor negate his power source. He just took away his shield, as they stated in the comic.What I also want to know is, just where does it come from that Juggernaut is completely impervious to harm without his shield?
In their first fight Hulk was hitting probably harder then in that fight Cain said he wasn't feeling a thing pretty much. So as to that fight it really is mute since we have other evidence that Cain can take hits from Hulk without feeling anything.
Also as for the NC torch incident Cain has had Molten Lava poured of him and not felt anything. Even in the comic with Thor you see that they heat up his armor to white hot tempratures to no aveal. It's safe that was more of an artisitic moment more than actual feeling of pain.
As for Thor it's so hard to say what was going on there. But Cain in the 8th Day Saga when he wasn't under control was taking shots from StoneCutter that were described by narration as the greatest exhange to ever take place on Earth. It also made no mention of his shield there. He also took on Nightmare without his shield and was taking energy blasts from him without problem.
I think that is why people attribute to the beating Thor gave Cain in his second fight to a depowering temporarly because if also notice once his powers return to full he goes back to 100 percent when he previously was on the ropes. If his durability was directly linked to the shield he would have still been injured from before but no he is completely back to fighting form i nthe next panel.
So for the most part I think it is safe to say Cain is basically as durable without his shield as he is with it.
I was actually referring to moments just before the backlash, when Hulk punched him int he gut and put him on his knees. Cain never really stated he didn't feel Hulk's blows IIRC, but the only time he would've commented on them was when Hulk was already down. It would have also been easier to take a unch when he was battle-ready instead when someone just punches him in the gut unexpectedly.
I never took the NC incident seriously. It just serves as another example that maybe writers don't see Juggernaut so much as invulnerable rather than more durable than most top-tiers.
The Thor incident, I believe relates to Cain recovering almost instantly after getting his shield back. He is supposed to have a healing factor, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched to say he healed from the damage a few seconds after getting his shield back.
Are there any specific incidents that where we know for certain that Cain's shield isn't up that he endures significant damage (I mean extremely significant damage for any top-tier) and shows absolutely no signs of being hurt whatsoever?
Originally posted by long pig
For every half way instance where Cain -may- look hurt by something small like...fire...or hurt by a punch....there are a thousand other times where he's swam in lava and taken a speeding train to the gut without blinking.So, basically, his true feats outweigh his shitty, nonsense feats 100 fold.
The Pig hath Spoken!!!!!he has deemed that the Nothing will stop the Juggernaut(until he runs into Ragman)
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I think the shield is just a one-but-really-two-or-three time thing. You don't really see him running around shrinking people or firing magic bolts do you?
His shield is never mentioned until he's in a crossover comic. His shield is never shown or even used until Thor's comic, actually.
They pretty much invented the shield thing FOR Thor to overcome, I believe.
Anyone know previous appearances of the shield before Thor?
Originally posted by long pig
I kinda agree, here.His shield is never mentioned until he's in a crossover comic. His shield is never shown or even used until Thor's comic, actually.
They pretty much invented the shield thing FOR Thor to overcome, I believe.
Anyone know previous appearances of the shield before Thor?
ASM #229 also mentioned it. It was a bright yellow that was about 2 feet away from his body. But I wouldn't take that one seriously either. When Spidey fired webbing at him it stopped 2 feet away from his body and you could see the shield. A few pages later the webbing is touch him and sticking to him with no visible shield.
Originally posted by Newjak
Also as for the NC torch incident Cain has had Molten Lava poured of him and not felt anything. Even in the comic with Thor you see that they heat up his armor to white hot tempratures to no aveal. It's safe that was more of an artisitic moment more than actual feeling of pain.
I posted this in another topic.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I am having a hard time believing the Nightcrawler one. Because of these two instances:He ends up fighting for a few pages like that. He doesn't even recognize the fire. He is not yelling because he is in pain but because he is pissed.
I'm still wondering just where was it first established that Cain is completely invulnerable and not just extremely durable. I know taking the Godblast is a famous moment, but I believe it could be argued that he had his shield up.
Does Cain have any moments where we know his shield isn't up and he takes some highly uber-powerful attack to no effect? Let's say Captain Marvel (DC) gets hit by an attack so powerful that it knocks him out and then Cain endures that same attack with no shield, would Cain necessarily just shrug it off?
Originally posted by Accel
I'm still wondering just where was it first established that Cain is completely invulnerable and not just extremely durable. I know taking the Godblast is a famous moment, but I believe it could be argued that he had his shield up.Does Cain have any moments where we know his shield isn't up and he takes some highly uber-powerful attack to no effect? Let's say Captain Marvel (DC) gets hit by an attack so powerful that it knocks him out and then Cain endures that same attack with no shield, would Cain necessarily just shrug it off?
In a way. Basically, I'd like to know when he's taken physical damage that would take most characters with top-tier level
and just shrugged it off. The Godblast is the only example I know of, but I think he may have had his shield up, since he had it up earlier in that saem fight when Thor threw his hammer.
I'm primarily asking where exactly it was established that Cain is physically invulnerable to harm.
