Originally posted by Surreal_44
But it's still not a good ending for Will. What does he really get out of it? Nothing. Yeah, he gets his dad who ran out on him, but instead of being free to DO things, he'd be bound to the Dutchman.That would be a real waste of Will's character.
Not saying it was a great ending for Will. I was saying however, that his character would not be running an evil pirate ship. That if anything, his nobility and back story would in turn, transform something that was once evil, into something that is very noble. And if the writers go with the original legend of the Dutchman, which I think they might or at least the Wagner Opera, he'll have a woman who's willing to spend all of eternity with him aboard the dutchman. That's not a bad ending...
Originally posted by far_away_eyes
Didn't they say (the writers TnT) that if it is done right then the one side (ship)will see fit to understand and come to the other side (ship)........soooo apparently they will be a.......side. 😉Okay that sounded silly but, I think I got the point across...LOL
They also said that the choice has already been made, so really there isn't a side. It's one point of view versus the other. So really, it's not so much that one side will see the other, but that the choice will be revealed. Though in some ways it already has...
I still find it hard to believe that they would basically pull Will away from a real life to have him sail the seas endlessly.
As for a woman, I can't see them adding in a new female character for Will, so it's either Elizabeth or no one for him.
To give him a new romantic interest would be a hard sell since he spent two movies in love with Elizabeth, and quite willing to marry her. They would have to introduce another woman quite soon into the movie and have her interact with Will to make it work properly.
So no, I certainly hope that Will does not become captain for forever...plus I'm rather sure that it won't happen.
As I said, it would be a waste of Will's character, and I think rather tragic. The writer's said 'bittersweet', not 'tragic'. 😄
If they did it in the right way, it could work. And I wasn't suggesting a new female character. I was thinking more along the lines of Elizabeth choosing to remain with him onboard the Dutchman. She's the adventerous type of woman who would love to live a life at sea. It gives her the chance to be a pirate, and at the same time, they would be rescuing drowning sailors from their fate, so she could be a good woman too. And the romantic tension has shifted so that it rests between the two of them.
I agree, adding a totally new female character now would be a poor choice and utterly confusing. Tia Dalma's too old, and grimy for Will though anything can happen. She may go from drab to fab when she turns into Calypso.
^^ Oh yeah. The romantic tension. I sort of thought you were J/E shipper and all that, so I thought you were thinking of Random!Female for Will.
If Liz went with him, it would be ok to be captain, and Elizabeth could probably be given immortality with him eventually. Still, I'm reluctant to think that being captain is the best option. Of course, TnT are fabulous, so I'm sure whatever they do is fine.
Unless they kill Norrington. 😛 Then I might have words with them. 😄
Originally posted by Surreal_44
^^ Oh yeah. The romantic tension. I sort of thought you were J/E shipper and all that, so I thought you were thinking of Random!Female for Will.If Liz went with him, it would be ok to be captain, and Elizabeth could probably be given immortality with him eventually. Still, I'm reluctant to think that being captain is the best option. Of course, TnT are fabulous, so I'm sure whatever they do is fine.
Unless they kill Norrington. 😛 Then I might have words with them. 😄
Well, you might have to write those words down because that was their intention. Personally, I'd rather them save Norrington and make him the Captain of the Dutchman but who knows how that will go. He'll do something heartbreaking and noble because that's who he is. In short: HOT.
And yes, I will always have a soft spot for J/E but for now, my verdict is that Elizabeth did what she did to Jack for Will, and that her choice has always been Will. My thought is that Elizabeth doesn't so much care for Jack, as much as she aspires to be like him. And her actions in DMC essentially make her his twin. My suspicion is that for Jack to be complete as a character, he'll have to give Elizabeth up. It's like Casablanca, only with Pirates. Classic.
Originally posted by savvysparrow
Well, you might have to write those words down because that was their intention. Personally, I'd rather them save Norrington and make him the Captain of the Dutchman but who knows how that will go. He'll do something heartbreaking and noble because that's who he is. In short: HOT.And yes, I will always have a soft spot for J/E but for now, my verdict is that Elizabeth did what she did to Jack for Will, and that her choice has always been Will. My thought is that Elizabeth doesn't so much care for Jack, as much as she aspires to be like him. And her actions in DMC essentially make her his twin. My suspicion is that for Jack to be complete as a character, he'll have to give Elizabeth up. It's like Casablanca, only with Pirates. Classic.
Or maybe Will will be the one to have to give her up...like Casablanca, only with Pirates, classic.. 😉
Elizabeth's is not Jack's to give up, essentially. She's still technically engaged to Will. I still think will can have a great ending without Elizabeth..and have great Character Development..but it's Disney so I know it won't happen...they won't rock the boat when it counts the most...they'll stick to the same old boring ending....Will and Liz....
Originally posted by savvysparrow
The thing with the Flying Dutchman is that it's not actually supposed to be a slave ship. It's initial purpose was to rescue dying or drowning sailors and bring them to the underworld. When Davy had his heart broken, he warped the purpose of the Dutchman. So really, he would have his dignity in that he would be preventing other sailors from having shared the same fate as his father, savvy?
I agree...this makes sense...I see it as whoever becomes the new Captain will restore the ship to it's original intention...to rescue the dying or drowning sailors...not be a slave ship....and yes, the captain controls the seas....so....I dunno...
Maybe Jack stabs the heart and Tia joins him on the ship as Calypso..and they pick up where they left off...before....
But only if he has no more interest in Liz..and Liz has no interest in him....
In the script...one of the Jack's on Jack's shoulder tempts him to stab the heart because he loves the sea..and he could be at sea for eternity...and his only argument was that he would only be able to get rum and go wenching every ten years...but if a woman were to join him on the ship..and they stocked up on lots of rum...maybe Jack would be okay with becoming the new captain..and freeing all the lost and tortured souls...just as he freed the slaves that live around Tia's cabin in the swamps....
Originally posted by savvysparrow''
If they did it in the right way, it could work. And I wasn't suggesting a new female character. I was thinking more along the lines of Elizabeth choosing to remain with him onboard the Dutchman. She's the adventerous type of woman who would love to live a life at sea. It gives her the chance to be a pirate, and at the same time, they would be rescuing drowning sailors from their fate, so she could be a good woman too. And the romantic tension has shifted so that it rests between the two of them.I agree, adding a totally new female character now would be a poor choice and utterly confusing. Tia Dalma's too old, and grimy for Will though anything can happen. She may go from drab to fab when she turns into Calypso.
tia dalma maybe old..but this is a fantasy movie...so once she's back to being calypso she will be young and beautiful....you have seen the actress that plays her, right..she is young and gorgeous...only 2 years older than Orlie himself....so she's not too old for Will....and she may be just right for Jack...but still don't see any chemistry between jack and Tia...but I saw it between Will and Tia....and there is no denying the chemistry between Jack and Liz...
but....I don't think Tia will end up with either..in an interview I saw once with her..she says her character leaves with a bang..and that her character is very menacing...evil? something like that....or sees into the future...knows people's deepest desires...she can read people....
Ok here is something interesting.. But did anyone noticed that Tia Dalma caressed Will's face in the hut, and Jack caressed Liz face in the curiosity scene. Could it be a touch of Destiny? :? Anyways, there was a lot of chemistry between Will and Tia. He looked like he was enjoying it when she caressed his face.
Originally posted by Mistypirate
Ok here is something interesting.. But did anyone noticed that Tia Dalma caressed Will's face in the hut, and Jack caressed Liz face in the curiosity scene. Could it be a touch of Destiny? :? Anyways, there was a lot of chemistry between Will and Tia. He looked like he was enjoying it when she caressed his face.
Misty...I'm so glad to see you.....you and I think alot alike...I'm glad someone else agrees..there is chemistry between tia and will...and yes, a touch of destiny...i like that theory...we have an accord..
i may be starting another job for extra cash....so my time here may be limited again...anyway...I love the way Jack looks at liz just before the kiss....look how you can tell he knows they are going to kiss...so hot... and read my post on the other thread...dang it don't know which one...but I talk about how Jack proves how much he loves Liz...because he is willing to die for her..he has been running scared the whole movie..and now he bravely faces the Kracken...it's gotta mean something....
Hmm, who is going to give up what for who? There is just too little information right now, especially for us with strong wills who haven't read the script (hint hint). T&T frustrate me and yet have my envy and complete trust because I don't think any of us can really write the characters out of their situation.
I love J/E. I guess if my heart has room for a fictional couple, it would be them. But if things work out in such a way that Jack is not broken-hearted and about to drink himself into such a frenzy he swallows his tongue and dies, I would be happy with a W/E ending. Will loves her, guys. He's loved her for a long time. And I'm pretty sure Liz loves him. I think she loves Jack, and I hope during all this conflict she gives Jack a shot, but as long as she and Jack forgive one another and come to some sort of understanding, then I think he would fully endorse a W/E relationship.
Originally posted by willofthewispI love J/E. I guess if my heart has room for a fictional couple, it would be them. But if things work out in such a way that Jack is not broken-hearted and about to drink himself into such a frenzy he swallows his tongue and dies, I would be happy with a W/E ending. Will loves her, guys. He's loved her for a long time. And I'm pretty sure Liz loves him. I think she loves Jack, and I hope during all this conflict she gives Jack a shot, but as long as she and Jack forgive one another and come to some sort of understanding, then I think he would fully endorse a W/E relationship.
*clinks glass* Hear, hear!
I'm not really going to add anything else because it would just be repeating this sentiment. Well, maybe this. Although I hope Liz ends with Will, I do think he's got to do something, well... piratey? I don't know if that's the right word. But perhaps more out of the incredibly "respectable" character we've seen for the past two movies. I think he's got to do something like that to turn her attention back to him. Something piratey, but still noble, so it would still be Will. I dunno, is that dreaming, asking too much?
Originally posted by lovethemtigers
i may be starting another job for extra cash....so my time here may be limited again...anyway...I love the way Jack looks at liz just before the kiss....look how you can tell he knows they are going to kiss...so hot... and read my post on the other thread...dang it don't know which one...but I talk about how Jack proves how much he loves Liz...because he is willing to die for her..he has been running scared the whole movie..and now he bravely faces the Kracken...it's gotta mean something....
Really? 🙁 At least you'll be earning extra $$ 😄 Jack is so in love with Liz, I don't like when people say that it would be impossible for him to settle down and have a relationship. Jack is a man like no other, he has desires and most importantly feelings. He wants to be love. That " has anyone come to rescue me because you missed me" line is sad in away. It's meant to be funny but it has another meaning. Jack went back to save everyone, specially Liz. If that isn't love, then I don't know what it is.