Just thought of something

Originally posted by Mistypirate
Really? 🙁 At least you'll be earning extra $$ 😄 Jack is so in love with Liz, I don't like when people say that it would be impossible for him to settle down and have a relationship. Jack is a man like no other, he has desires and most importantly feelings. He wants to be love. That " has anyone come to rescue me because you missed me" line is sad in away. It's meant to be funny but it has another meaning. Jack went back to save everyone, specially Liz. If that isn't love, then I don't know what it is.

Brava:d Well Said!!! Yes Jack saying that line shows that Jack has come back more emotional and vulnerable.....he does want to be loved! Jack has a heart like everyone else maybe even a sweeter one!!! 😄

i TOTALLY AGREE with you Misty...i hate when someone tell that w/e probably end up together i know there are facts and everything and it´s hard to believe there is a chance but jack loves liz so strongly i hope he won´t end up alone yees it can seem that he is really happy as in the end of CotBP but last time i didn´t believe he is really happy too...they can do this as he is really happy even though he isn´t i won´t believe it that he´s happy when he had true love he lost it and now he is happy alone NOO i don´t think so....sorry... 🙁

Well in the DMC script Jack says her true heart is the same as his, doesn't that mean anything? her heart is with Will but her true heart is with Jack. Didn't Johnney say something about what happens to Jack and the aftermath of his kiss with lizzie. Jack is happy with lizzie and i don't think Tia Dalma will ever make him be like that. Didn't you guys notice how Will almost kissed tia or vise versa but Jack interupted. a kiss interupted or a Jack being jealous. lol Will and tia i can see them together like will stabs the heart and becomes Captain of the FD, and calypso joins him.

I agree...I can see Will sailing off as Captain of the FD with Tia as Calypso...she is young and beautiful underneath all that yuck stuff...

I find they have chemistry..whereas him and liz do not...

And yes...the script says....Jack knew that he and Elizabeth heart was the same..and what do we know about Jack..he wants Elizabeth..and he basically tells her her loves her by saying "Pirate"...and the way he is looking at her throughout that entire scene..screams of love.....

I hate it when people say they can't see it ending with j/e because of poor old will...well, I can't see it ending w/e because of JACK...the most important character in the entire trilogy....this is an adult movie, the writers and disney have called it thus, so why can't a "first love " romance end differently....IMO Jack is really her first love...because what she feels for Will is not the deep and abiding love that you have for your soulmate, the one you should spend your life with...I think her love for will is more platonic than that....

But Calypso is "a woman as changing, and harsh and untamable as the sea." She is no man's woman and would never stay with Will. Calypso is a Goddess and they can often be tricksters, Will is better off without her...she caused Davy Jones to carve out his own heart!

Yeah, Tia is not the kind of woman Will needs in his life.

I still think Will and Elizabeth will end up together, because by the time AWE is over, I think their relationship will have moved beyond the realms of 'normal and boring', and will be greatly changed. 😄

Originally posted by Surreal_44
Yeah, Tia is not the kind of woman Will needs in his life.

I still think Will and Elizabeth will end up together, because by the time AWE is over, I think their relationship will have moved beyond the realms of 'normal and boring', and will be greatly changed. 😄

Sadly, I completely agree with that. To survive, relationships need to get over 'bumps in the road,' and I think T&T just used the Elizabeth being attracted to Jack thing as Will and Elizabeth's bump in the road so they can get through it and have an even stronger relationship.

Aww, I tend to think "bump in the road" is unfair to Jack because it's understating his role in things. If it wasn't for Jack, they never would have become pirates. Jack was the "fate" in "fate intervenes."

Yeah. That "A marriage interrupted...Or fate intervenes." line is a little confusing for me. Ahh! There's so much evidence for both ships! Can't wait for May 25th..

Originally posted by savvysparrow
Besides, the writers have said that her choice was made at the end of DMC. So in fact, the triangle is pretty much already resolved. The writers never said that both sides would be satisfied with the ending. All they said is that one side would hopefully join in the other in applauding the most correct choice.

Her choice was to get back Jack...not to kill him--exactly. The real ending, besides Barbossa showing up, was liz crying because she missed Jack, therefore she chose the mission to get him back...

Originally posted by Hambah
Sadly, I completely agree with that. To survive, relationships need to get over 'bumps in the road,' and I think T&T just used the Elizabeth being attracted to Jack thing as Will and Elizabeth's bump in the road so they can get through it and have an even stronger relationship.

Well, if t and t used Jack as bump in the road to a better and stronger relationship for Will and Liz..then that sucks..cuz after all she and Jack have been through together...I find it hard to imagine she could go back to Will..again...

Fate Intervenes...means that something doesn't happen because fate has found it's way to stopping the inevitable..."a marriage interrupted, or fate intervenes...(it's the next line that tells us what that fate is meant to be - JACK)....you make great efforts to ensure Jack Sparrow 's Freedom...the Liz says, quite defensively "these are not for Jack"...and Beckett says "oh really?...(he doesn't believe her).....I'm telling you I still say if they meant to put more excitement into will and liz..they used the wrong formula...and I think they've realized that by now....you can't put two people with a much stronger and engaging chemistry together and expect the audience to go back to the complacent boring relationship....even the critcs (which I know...we don't give a rats ass what the critics say, ala Surreal44) said that their were impressed with the chemistry between jack and liz...and some even said it was interesting and that Johnny and Keira had alot more chemistry than Orlando and Keira, on screen....

I dunno.....but alas, if this isn't a "romance" movie..then why didn't they just let will and liz get married and they still could have got caught up in an adventure...maybe be separated from each other and they need Jack to help them make it back to each other...and added mystery to it just like the first movie..and not give all those flirtatious, beautiful scenes between jack and liz....they should have left well enough alone if they don't have any intention of having Jack whats he wants most in this world...and by all indications..given to us by the writers, etc...that's Elizabeth...or else Jack's compass would've worked and led him to the chest and the key....

that´s true. the writers hinted the compass pointed at elizabeth the whole movie. i think it´s pretty obvious jack thinks of her and feels attracted to her. maybe even more than that, i think it could be possible. but elizabeth... im mean, of course, she lusts for jack and freedom. but i´m not sure if she really loves him, i doubt it. at least she´s done a lot for will..
pirates is still a romance movie, apart from all the action, couse that´s what people want to see.

"Aww, I tend to think "bump in the road" is unfair to Jack because it's understating his role in things. If it wasn't for Jack, they never would have become pirates. Jack was the "fate" in "fate intervenes.""----Ericadawn

It is unfair to Jack. People don't usually want to be just bumps in the road when it comes to other people, but that's often how it turns out. Relationships especially. I'd be fine with Will and Liz together because as I think Surreal said, after all the crap they've gone through, their relationship won't be as fairytale and dull as we previously thought it to be. BUT I don't want to see Jack's heart be broken. If he doesn't love Liz, or just loves her in a deep friendship way, fine and dandy. If he's so in love he's going to die of grief without her......yeah, won't be happy about W/E at all. The same is true for a J/E ending. I actually care what happens to Will and how he would take that. I'm not a fan of Liz and Jack going on their merry way while Will cuts his heart out and becomes a squid-faced a**hole for all eternity. It all depends on resolving the triangle all three ways.

It all depends on resolving the triangle all three ways. -willofthewisp

i'm still extremely anxious on how they are going to do that, i mean tnt made it pretty clear that Jack does love her and we all know Will loves her too. If she chooses one the other will be devestated, and hurt and truthfully i don't wan't either one of them hurt. Gore had said that Jack was kinda "a bump in the road" to get Will jealous for that is like a opsticle for w/e relationship. But tnt has said something different that maybe she does have feelings for Jack and just won't believe it. So either way they are trying to confuse us, we will not know till May 25th! Oh and truthfully if Will and Liz end up in the end it would only waist two movies because yes they should of been married by now and they are not "Fate intervined" that has to mean something, marriage interupted is BS cuz if they were so meant to be then they would be married by now and they are not!

I don't hold much stock into Beckett's "fate intervenes" line. He's just trying to get Liz's mind off shooting him. She put a gun to his head. He's playing it cool, but he doesn't want to be shot. He says it to distract her, to play with her mind so the first thought in her head isn't, "I'm gonna waste this short bastard."

Nay....they could have thought of something else..that's there for a reason, has to be....

Oh, I don't think Beckett minds that much. In the Wordplayer script, he smokes a cigarette afterwards so he totally got off on this pretty young woman holding a gun to his head.

Oh, so everyone loves Liz in this series, including the asexual short canniver who wants to take over the world? I just can't see that. I don't believe anything he says. I'm even skeptical about the whole "mark" deal. Not that nothing happened, but that it's different than what he alluded to. Same with the "fate intervenes." He says it while he's signing the letters of mark, which he really doesn't want to give to her. Right after he says she's risking a lot to save Jack and she says quite matter-of-factly that they aren't for Jack. Then he completely changes the subject to say he'll still want the compass, meaning he's going to get his revenge on her and all her friends. It just doesn't seem like Beckett's actually analyzing or caring about Liz's particular motives but more trying to play with her mind. When someone is threatening you, you aren't thinking, "gee, she and _ would make a lovely couple. Can't see what she's doing with _2."

hmm...i think beckett´s line maybe means something...terry and ted could wrote different line....they choose fate intervenes...i don´t know...really...but his smirky smile before...scene where liz and will said jack is captain...liz repeated it again but will did not...i don´t know...it´s interesting...and then i was thinking about liz and jack...i hope she loves jack...coz jack loves her so much his first love...so..does elizabeth really love jack???(even she is with will)...does she love him???i think she doesn´t want to have any feelings for him but this problem must be resolved...well i think in AWE jack realized that "freedom" mustn´t mean only the ship black pearl...or being alone with only the crew on the adventure...i think he´ll realize that freedom can be being with elizabeth or being married...i hope jack and liz finally get married-liz will realize that everyone changed anyone isn´t as he or she was and now she can make choice again and i hope she´ll choose the right man...🙂 i don´t know how t and t wrote it but i really HATE idea with jack´s alone with the ship and the crew because i think he loved liz she was his true love...i don´t want jack to lost his only and true love elizabeth...poor will???i don´t think so...in the end everyone will be happy...will maybe with his father...he was looking for him even he was a child...he deserve it to be with his father...but...will with his father and liz too??it´s strange, sorry...my opinion...

Originally posted by JacksSweet
hmm...i think beckett´s line maybe means something...terry and ted could wrote different line....they choose fate intervenes...i don´t know...really...but his smirky smile before...scene where liz and will said jack is captain...liz repeated it again but will did not...i don´t know...it´s interesting...and then i was thinking about liz and jack...i hope she loves jack...coz jack loves her so much his first love...so..does elizabeth really love jack???(even she is with will)...does she love him???i think she doesn´t want to have any feelings for him but this problem must be resolved...well i think in AWE jack realized that "freedom" mustn´t mean only the ship black pearl...or being alone with only the crew on the adventure...i think he´ll realize that freedom can be being with elizabeth or being married...i hope jack and liz finally get married-liz will realize that everyone changed anyone isn´t as he or she was and now she can make choice again and i hope she´ll choose the right man...🙂 i don´t know how t and t wrote it but i really HATE idea with jack´s alone with the ship and the crew because i think he loved liz she was his true love...i don´t want jack to lost his only and true love elizabeth...poor will???i don´t think so...in the end everyone will be happy...will maybe with his father...he was looking for him even he was a child...he deserve it to be with his father...but...will with his father and liz too??it´s strange, sorry...my opinion...

you make a good point..I agree with you...I think they could have done something else...."fate intervenes" line is to catch our attention....and it would have really caught our attention if they had put Jack first in the movie before going to Liz...as was their original intention....they wanted us to know that there is something more going on here than what meets the eye...I thought Liz' line "these are not for Jack" was quite defensive..and she almost has that same look on her face that she has when she looks at the compass and it points to Jack...she seems upset that her innermost surpressed feelings are being brought forth...could be that Beckett was just playing around..but he's actually hit the nail on the head...and she's upset by that....I like how he smirkingly says "oh Really?"...