If this is the best that you can do, then don't bother replying. What you "think" doesn't matter. Sidious knocked Yoda unconscious. Period. The end. If he took Yoda seriously at that point (emphasis on "at that point"😉, he would have killed him. Period.
Ad Hominem, Logical Fallacy. An attempt to degrade my argument with usage of derogatory terminology. The argument should end right now because of that. ROFL! Let's continue!
Appeal to force, Logical Fallacy. Lack of evidence as well.
You do you just because you say something, doesn't mean it just goes because you said it, right? Sidious did not kill him so too bad. May I remind you how Sidious turned tail and ran like a wimp after Yoda replied to his bolt of Lightning?
Sidious not killing Yoda at that point was arrogance and stupidity. It was also a bad move because it would've saved him a fight he obviously did not want (Running out of the office like a b*tch, whoops) and he would not have had to exert himself.
It was obvious that he didn't want to fight Yoda after he made the mistake of not killing him when he had the chance. Your point is moot.
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Yeah, all day is right.
No, lmao, it won't. Because if you're going to debate as poorly as you are doing now, you and I will just agree to disagree, and I'll ignore you. You'd best think a bit harder if you want to debate with me.
Don't talk about my debating skills when you couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag, Gideon. You think sitting back and insulting me will save your arguments from getting retorted into oblivion? Not quite. Move on, partner.
Further observation leads me to speculate that you are arguing out of ignorance. I never said that Yoda's disarming was confirmed in the novelization - I said that Sidious's wasn't. In either case, Yoda was shown to be disarmed in the movies (which is the highest form of canon outside of Lucas's own word), which means that it happened.
No one said that YOU said his disarming was confirmed in the novel. Who's being ignorant? We don't know whether Sidious did get disarmed or not. It says that he does in the final draft of the script yet we do not see it in the movies or in the novel so we'll leave it open.
And, correction: You don't know if Sidious loses it. Because it was not confirmed in either the novelization or in the movie.
This is true. I think it is best to stick with what we both think on this issue or it will perpetuate non-stop.
Better yet, I'll use your logic and say that if Yoda could have done it earlier, he would have. roll eyes (sarcastic)
Why would he have to? He was defending himself against his attack and might not have been close enough to have an opportunity. You don't know these things. You basically implied that because he only did it once, he only COULD do it once. I could easily utilize that logic and say he can do it while balancing on a bamboo stick and juggling potatoes AND whenever he wants.
But, I'm not an ignorant debater, so we'll take the circumstances into situation.
Yes, you are. Unfortunately.
Yoda was unable to block and repel Sidious's lightning because he wasn't prepared to do so (which is his own fault). Hence why I said that only a prepared Yoda can feasibly block Sidious's lightning.
Your point? It was a surprise attack in the Office. He just sprung it up on him. Notice the shocked look on Yoda's face as the torrent ripped through the air and then knocked him down? Yeah, just like Sidious didn't expect the push. They pretty much even out in most catagories, but you seem to have a relentless bias to Sidious, stating he is just a bit more powerful, and why is he? You fail to mention, out of IGNORANCE, making you an ignorant debater.
Keep on denying it. it doesn't matter AT ALL.
It was a stalemate due to the circumstances of the fight, but if you need further clarification, Yoda was the one who ultimately fled, and it was Sidious who went on to rule the galaxy for twenty years. Lmao. Don't play this game with me, 'cuz you're gonna lose.
Sidious tried to flee too. Yoda fell over two hundred feet from a pod and he's over eight hundred years old. You'd flee too.
Do not fail to forget who tried to flee at the beginning of the fight. Hell, Sidious didn't even try to stick around. At least Yoda managed to stop Sidious. Rofl.
And I won't lose. Try me.
Lmao, and you accuse me of bias. Yoda "squashed" nothing and didn't throw "anything" back in Sidious's face. Double standards?
^ Arguing out of ignorance, Logical Fallacy. Yoda squashed Sidious' attempts to hit him with pods, halted his attempts to strike him with lightning and stepped up to his parallel skill in Lightsaber dueling.
Wrong. Sidious knocked Yoda unconscious, and decided to gloat about his victory over the Jedi. But, like it or not, he was well in a position to kill Yoda at that point - who was busy taking a bit of a nap. At that point, Sidious wasn't taking Yoda seriously at all. Period. However, when Yoda recovered, it was then that Sidious's self-confidence began to dwindle, and he opted to flee instead of fight. Which is pretty smart, given that both of them are equals and he could have potentially died in that fight. Yoda had nothing to lose. Sidious did.
Wow, you're just a bloody fanboy! Good for Sidious, he had the chance to kill Yoda after surprising him. Oooooh! He did not, making him an idiot. He "opted to flee" because he became aware of Yodas power and didn't want to stick around and play. For all you know, Sidious might had thought Yoda was injured or was going to be unconcious for a longer period of time, given the look of dread on his face when Yoda forcefully pushed him into his office chair. Your theory on how Sidious was merely gloating doesn't make it true. You lucas, or what?
Prove he was disarmed. Prove that he didn't simply put it away and opt for a long range fight.
I can't. Like I said, it's not confirmed that he did or did not.
Prove that he didn't drop it. And no, I'm not asking you to prove a negative nor is the burden no longer on me. Positive mutuality, so prove it!
You can't either.
See, the problem with your theory is that when we last saw Sidious with his lightsaber - he was in the middle of close quarters combat with Yoda on that podium. Assuming he lost his lightsaber would mean that Sidious was unarmed in arm's reach of Yoda - who still had his lightsaber, and according to you, Yoda can handle Sidious's lightning pretty handily.
WTF? Yoda and Sidious were dueling, and it cut to Anakin/Kenobi, then it showed Sidious throwing pods. We'll never know. Don't show any more bias to Sidious that you already have.
Explain how an unarmed Sidious with no advantages over Yoda managed to evade Yoda in close quarters combat and put that much distance between himself and Yoda to get to the pods. smile
Evade? See? You have biased theories that don't even exist or stand ground. For all you know, Yoda was pushing Sidious back in Lightsaber combat (Which could be logically plausible due to the fact Yoda and Mace are reportedly equals in LS combat and Mace dominated Sidious) so Sidious decided to find other means to defeat Yoda. That sounds quite plausible to me.
Sidious is insane? Oh, I disagree. I doubt someone insane (isn't insanity the absence of rationalization?) could meticulously plot his rise to power for several decades (and then succeed). People say the same thing about Hitler, when the truth is, he was not "legally" insane - but actually a very rational person. At least, before and during most of the war. People call him insane because of what he attempted to accomplish.
Yes, someone insane could plot like that. Most extremely intelligent people that are evil are actually insane, especially considering he was cackling while hanging onto a pod which seperated him from a nasty two hundred foot drop. Hitler and Sidious are two different entities. Your analogy does not apply. More bad debating.
Anyways, as for Dooku, no. At several points in his fight with Anakin, there's nothing to say that he was taking it seriously. He firmly believed he had the upper hand. It is only when he realized that Anakin's raw power surpassed his that he began to worry. But, of course, by that time, it was far too late.
He was still displaying cockiness during the fight. Smiling occasionally and the coy attitude. Dooku was cocky and he displayed it in that fight. I never disagreed that he believed he had the upper hand.