Storm vs Top Tier Characters

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Do not go there. Just don't 😐

Unlike Storm, Iceman has been stated to have great potential since his birth as a character. He has been making advancements in power while Storm has basically been the same day in and day out. It is not about power level, but about power LIMITS. This is of course meaning nothing to you right? Iceman has no limit, so in time his power LEVEL will increase beyond anything even I can imagine. I mean he did beat Oblivion and the Stranger. He can connect to "everything" and be everywhere at once. Please do not breath Iceman's name in the same sentence as Storm to try and prove that Storm should be omega, when obviously the guys up in Marvel? They do not care enough for her to make her one.

Plus no one complains for one very simple reason. Iceman has been stated to be omega. Storm has not. Innocent till proven guilty. Or non omega till proven otherwise.

Also I would be one of those guys that "lurk" the storm threads because I find them interesting. Not in a good way though. More like a train wreck you cannot look away from. While some of the guys might be a little overboard with the comments, none of your comments have made any real sense, and you have not "enlightened" anyone with your repeated words based on a handfull of comics that you claim make her "dark pheonix level" Cosmic entity
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Mutant that controls weather. Wonder why she gets knocked out so many times 😬

So please. Do me a favor. Until you find a panel that states in cannon that Storm is actually, officially, and confirmed an Omega level mutant do not bring it up again. And do not presume to have given anyone knowledge until you open your own myopic view of who and what Storm really is. A mutant. Yes. Powerful? Sure. Able to beat almost everyone you think she can? Hell no.

Preach it, brotha! clap

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I seem to recall a time when Magneto redirected Storm's OWN ligntning back at her and it hurt her considerably.

And Storm's winds punch harder than the Hulk? Than Classic Juggernaut? When did this ever happen? There's not a chance in hell that her winds could punch harder than ANY class 100 character. It's just pure bull unless you can back it up with comic evidence (and not a metaphor or exaggeration, but clear proof that her winds hit harder than a class 100).

True, it did hurt her when Magneto did that, but it was PIS. ITs stated in other issues that Storm cannot be directly harmed by any of the weather's manifestations. Further more, she has absorbed and channelled HUGE amounts of electricity through her body a number of times it had no affect on her. Magneto has never taken control of lightning from Storm either. As a matter of fact, even when severely weakened, she was able to challenge his control over electricity. Magneto is no Electro or Blitzkrieg with his control over electricity and Storm easily defeated Blitzkrieg.

As for Storm's winds hitting that hard, she's lifted a skyscraper with her winds. That's tens of thousands of tons if not hundreds of thousands of tons. In the same panel, it was stated that her winds can not only do this to buildings, but level mountains as well. She redirected Siena Blaze's full power with an electrically charged wind tunnel. That puts her winds FAR beyond Namro's strength and even levelling mountains would pale in comparison to this stunt. She's been able to smash through Magneto's force field with her winds and place a huge strain on his powers for him to anchor himself against her winds. She can generate winds that travel thousands of miles per hour. Just so you know how much strength that is, a 200 mph tornado or hurricane has 4 times the force of a 100 mph tornado or hurricane. A 300 mph tornado or hurricane has 9 times the force of a 100 mph tornado or hurricane. a 1000 mph tornado or hurricane has 100 times the force of a 100 mph hurricane or tornado. Storm would have to be able to do a couple of thousand mph to be able to fly those distances I mentioned in my earlier post in the time she flew there. So she's generating winds a couple of thousand miles per hour. She's been able to generate fields of pressure on Earth greater than the pressures found on the surface of Jupiter. She's summoned winds strong enough to punch her pressure dome through an iceberg, etc.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Namor has done this consistenly more powerful than Storm ever could. If you haven't already checked out the Respect thread, I recommend you head back there again.

Storm is JUST below Top Tier. Namor IS Top Tier.

Quick note: Since Cyclops can take out Storm, does that make him Top Tier?

This has nothing to do with who can beat whom. I thought top tier depended on power levels. As for your Scott/ Ororo thing, can he beat Storm? Yes. Can STorm beat him? Yes. Which is more likely? Storm beatins Scott. She's vastly more powerful and more maneuverable.

Going by your logic, Jubliee can beat Xavier with powers. Its true. Xavier an also beat her, but which is more likely? Xaver taking it is more likely.

Originally posted by Rutog98
True, it did hurt her when Magneto did that, but it was PIS. ITs stated in other issues that Storm cannot be directly harmed by any of the weather's manifestations. Further more, she has absorbed and channelled HUGE amounts of electricity through her body a number of times it had no affect on her. Magneto has never taken control of lightning from Storm either. As a matter of fact, even when severely weakened, she was able to challenge his control over electricity. Magneto is no Electro or Blitzkrieg with his control over electricity and Storm easily defeated Blitzkrieg.

As for Storm's winds hitting that hard, she's lifted a skyscraper with her winds. That's tens of thousands of tons if not hundreds of thousands of tons. In the same panel, it was stated that her winds can not only do this to buildings, but level mountains as well. She redirected Siena Blaze's full power with an electrically charged wind tunnel. That puts her winds FAR beyond Namro's strength and even levelling mountains would pale in comparison to this stunt. She's been able to smash through Magneto's force field with her winds and place a huge strain on his powers for him to anchor himself against her winds. She can generate winds that travel thousands of miles per hour. Just so you know how much strength that is, a 200 mph tornado or hurricane has 4 times the force of a 100 mph tornado or hurricane. A 300 mph tornado or hurricane has 9 times the force of a 100 mph tornado or hurricane. a 1000 mph tornado or hurricane has 100 times the force of a 100 mph hurricane or tornado. Storm would have to be able to do a couple of thousand mph to be able to fly those distances I mentioned in my earlier post in the time she flew there. So she's generating winds a couple of thousand miles per hour. She's been able to generate fields of pressure on Earth greater than the pressures found on the surface of Jupiter. She's summoned winds strong enough to punch her pressure dome through an iceberg, etc.

doh

Perhaps it's when Storm doesn't have control over said lightning is when it hurts her. Because, well, Magneto did hurt her with redirected lightning. And yes, I know that she's channelled lightning through her a few other times as well. I also know that Magneto is no Electro, but he doesn't need to be. He controls the damn Magnetic Spectrum for God's sake.

Can you post a scan of Storm lifting up a skyscraper? Did she really LIFT it up off the ground or just support it? Because that would pretty much be impossible for her to do with her power-set. You see, lifting up a skyscraper with her powers, the building would crumble under its own weight.

In addition, being able to lift up a skyscraper and creating fast winds (thousands of mph, my ass) does NOT mean her winds hit harder than a class 100.

So. Proof please?

P.S.--God, why are we arguing this? Namor would destroy her before she could attack him. HE IS FASTER THAN HER. AND HAS FAAAAAAAAAAAR BETTER REACTION SPEED.

Top Tier is an averaging, not just power output.

You can't say someone with shit durability is top tier, thus Storm is not. Not just that, but her powers are weak compared to those of Top Tier characters.

She's not there. Upper mid tier at best.

Originally posted by RisingStorm
The thread maker is just an attention-getter.

The Thread Maker would appreciate you not assuming his reasoning since you're not in my brain, kiddo.

There's reasoning for this thread, as stated. Here they are repeated:

1. Storm - Top Tier or No. Judging by the polls, no.
2. How would she fare against the top tier characters that I posted? Judging by response, she'd lose to all of them.

Another thing to consider is what Rutgog claimed, that Storm is upper top tier, which would put her in the league of Herald level beings. She's not even close to that either.

Originally posted by Rutog98
This has nothing to do with who can beat whom. I thought top tier depended on power levels. As for your Scott/ Ororo thing, can he beat Storm? Yes. Can STorm beat him? Yes. Which is more likely? Storm beatins Scott. She's vastly more powerful and more maneuverable.

Going by your logic, Jubliee can beat Xavier with powers. Its true. Xavier an also beat her, but which is more likely? Xaver taking it is more likely.

That's some faulty logic.

Cyclops wins the majority due to the quick-draw. His attack is faster and more accurate than Storm's. And if you disagree, then you're just wrong, because it's obvious given their abilities. And more powerful as well. I don't recall Storm ever cracking Onslaught's armor with her lightning. 🙄

And that's a poor comparison. Anyone could defeat anyone if they were sleeping/not paying attention/powerless.

I could have Leech killing the Hulk if the Hulk was asleep/not paying attention.

Point is, that doesn't work.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Do not go there. Just don't 😐

Unlike Storm, Iceman has been stated to have great potential since his birth as a character. He has been making advancements in power while Storm has basically been the same day in and day out. It is not about power level, but about power LIMITS. This is of course meaning nothing to you right? Iceman has no limit, so in time his power LEVEL will increase beyond anything even I can imagine. I mean he did beat Oblivion and the Stranger. He can connect to "everything" and be everywhere at once. Please do not breath Iceman's name in the same sentence as Storm to try and prove that Storm should be omega, when obviously the guys up in Marvel? They do not care enough for her to make her one.

Plus no one complains for one very simple reason. Iceman has been stated to be omega. Storm has not. Innocent till proven guilty. Or non omega till proven otherwise.

Also I would be one of those guys that "lurk" the storm threads because I find them interesting. Not in a good way though. More like a train wreck you cannot look away from. While some of the guys might be a little overboard with the comments, none of your comments have made any real sense, and you have not "enlightened" anyone with your repeated words based on a handfull of comics that you claim make her "dark pheonix level" Cosmic entity
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Mutant that controls weather. Wonder why she gets knocked out so many times 😬

So please. Do me a favor. Until you find a panel that states in cannon that Storm is actually, officially, and confirmed an Omega level mutant do not bring it up again. And do not presume to have given anyone knowledge until you open your own myopic view of who and what Storm really is. A mutant. Yes. Powerful? Sure. Able to beat almost everyone you think she can? Hell no.

I will go there, yes. This is why I don't give an inch here. On another thread (maybe this one), some guy posted that Hudlin is overpowering Storm and if he makes her omega, she's not or something to that affect. In other words, people are placing limits on the character despite what canon says. This tells me that no matter what is written in canon, people will never give her more than a certain amount of power on this board. You may play that game, I will not. You call yourself trying to say something profound here yet why don't you open your mouth when you see these instances? If you have been readint the threads, why have you never commented when other posters tried to state Storm's strongest winds being only at 300 mph despite the numerous instances where she has far exceeded that? Its stated in canon that Storm had near-infinite power with ultimate power (like Dark Phoenix) in her grasp. This is canon. Yet when people tried to deny it, where were you then? Where were you when posters tried to say that Ororo did not have the power of a goddess even after I posted the interview with Claremont that said she did have that kind of power and also when I posted in Life Death where she told Forge that she had the power of a goddess? When posters said that Storm did not summon the full power of the galactic core (millions of stars), where were you then when I posted what the issue said, "She summoned the full power of the core,"? The issue stated she did yet people wanted to take it away. Where were you when people were trying to state Magneto could use his power on a global scale unaided when he has always required a machine to do this or the EM fields being tampered with by a machine yet they tried to detract from the Storm character feats she's actually done? If you have been following these Storm threads, why didn't you ever say anything in these instances?

Hudlin wrote in an issue that Storm is a possible Omega Mutant and posters get upset about it and already have set in their mind that she will never be omega no matter what is printed. You are no better than a hypocrite. You have not put anyone in their place with this post but just made a fool out of yourself though since many will go along with your POV because its against Storm, many won't admit it.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I will go there, yes. This is why I don't give an inch here. On another thread (maybe this one), some guy posted that Hudlin is overpowering Storm and if he makes her omega, she's not or something to that affect.

Stop right there kiddo. I posted that because Hudlin decided not to research the character, and it's obvious. His comics are racially charged, so don't get me started on his butchering. I may even request that Darkcrawler bring over his "Why Hudlin's Black Panther is the epitome of bad writing" thread, because he lifts the blinders quite well.

Storm is getting a predicted powerup because she's a black female that's married to a powerful black man. I don't know if he'll do it, but if he does it's not valid because of two things:

1. Lack of research
2. Continuity contradictions

Not a year prior Storm was stated to be an Alpha Level mutant.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's some faulty logic.

Cyclops wins the majority due to the quick-draw. His attack is faster and more accurate than Storm's. And if you disagree, then you're just wrong, because it's obvious given their abilities. And more powerful as well. I don't recall Storm ever cracking Onslaught's armor with her lightning. 🙄

And that's a poor comparison. Anyone could defeat anyone if they were sleeping/not paying attention/powerless.

I could have Leech killing the Hulk if the Hulk was asleep/not paying attention.

Point is, that doesn't work.

And I don't recall Cyclops ever having the power to devistate a planet. Storm does. Scott cracked Onslaughts armor. Means to me Storm can do it to. She has much more powerful power showings than Scott does. In this instance, they just chose to give it to Cyclops. I can remember in Uncanny 150 where Storm taxed Magneto's powers with her winds while Magneto effortlessly withstood the combined powers of Scott, Colossus and Logan. This difinitively puts her above Scott. Your instance does not.

BTW, Storm dodges Scott's blast while instantly freezing him, or striking him with lightning or smashing him against a wall with her winds or any number of things.

My comparison is a good one as the only way Scott can beat Ororo is by catching her by surprise unless she's injured or there are extenuating circumstances that work against her while not affecting him that have nothing at all to do with his abilities.

Originally posted by Rutog98
BTW, Storm dodges Scott's blast while instantly freezing him, or striking him with lightning or smashing him against a wall with her winds or any number of things.

My comparison is a good one as the only way Scott can beat Ororo is by catching her by surprise unless she's injured or there are extenuating circumstances that work against her while not affecting him that have nothing at all to do with his abilities.

When did Storm gain a spider-sense, superhuman reaction times, and Flash-like speed? 😕

I wasn't aware Storm could dodge a light-speed projectile from a near-perfect-accuracy wielder.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
doh

Perhaps it's when Storm doesn't have control over said lightning is when it hurts her. Because, well, Magneto did hurt her with redirected lightning. And yes, I know that she's channelled lightning through her a few other times as well. I also know that Magneto is no Electro, but he doesn't need to be. He controls the damn Magnetic Spectrum for God's sake.

Can you post a scan of Storm lifting up a skyscraper? Did she really LIFT it up off the ground or just support it? Because that would pretty much be impossible for her to do with her power-set. You see, lifting up a skyscraper with her powers, the building would crumble under its own weight.

In addition, being able to lift up a skyscraper and creating fast winds (thousands of mph, my ass) does NOT mean her winds hit harder than a class 100.

So. Proof please?

P.S.--God, why are we arguing this? Namor would destroy her before she could attack him. HE IS FASTER THAN HER. AND HAS FAAAAAAAAAAAR BETTER REACTION SPEED.

Blitzkrieg hit Storm with lightning and it did not hurt her at all. That instance with Magneto is PIS, plain and simple. I really wish people would stop talking about Magneto and the EM spectrum like its really something. His primary power is magnetism. He has very limited power over related forces. What has he done with gamma rays? What has he done that's impressive with electricity? Light? Infared? He's a joke in these other areas. In Uncanny 150, MAgneto was only able to hurt Storm with the lightning because he caught her off guard so her body did not compensate. She was trying to talk to him to get him to surrender since she had him on the ground and was using her control over pressure to suffocate the life out of him. Even still, this does not work. The lady is immune to electrcity. She has to be in order to do what she does. None of the weather's manifestations can directly harm her. That's what canon says. You cannot put stipulations on it (that have been contradicted) just because it makes the character more powerful than you like.

You're going to have to prove that Namor is faster than Ororo. As far as reaction speed, what has Namor done that is so outstanding here?

Originally posted by Rutog98
Snipped because stupidity hurts my eyes.

Hold your horses bucko. Where the hell was I? I was reading and laughing my ass off at the shit you call a post. Like this one. You post interviews as source material? I do not need to even get into the stupidity of that. OOOOhhhh WOOOOOW Storm said she had the power of a Godess. I say I have the power of a million suns. Who cares what people say? It is all about actions.

DO NOT try and say because I did not comment in your stupidity or try and defend you that I am a hypocrite. Hell can you even define the word? Nothing in your post made it seem like I was one. I did nothing that betrayed what I said. Go read a dictionary and come back to me.

To make my post crystal clear, Storm IS NOT an Omega mutant. Possible in front of the damn word should tell you that. Again give me one scan that says she is officially an omega level mutant. Please. I dare you. Cannot do it? Did not think so.

Power levels and Power limits are two different things. Iceman has no limit therefore his power level will continue to increase. Storm has a limit, and therefore her power level has already been determined.

I would also like to point out, why is it that you consider anything done to her PIS? Yet when she shows random powers it is perfectly acceptable?

As howard loves to say: You failed. Here's quarter, try again.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
When did Storm gain a spider-sense, superhuman reaction times, and Flash-like speed? 😕

Rutgog is a writer for Mider's napkin drawn adventures. Storm is a new character in those series. Next month she takes out Thor and Beta Ray Bill at the same time.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
As howard loves to say: You failed. Here's quarter, try again.

Thanks for the nod. 😄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
When did Storm gain a spider-sense, superhuman reaction times, and Flash-like speed? 😕

I wasn't aware Storm could dodge a light-speed projectile from a near-perfect-accuracy wielder.

Actually it was explained in X-Treme. Storm's ability to perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces includes people. She can perceive the electron impulses that run through their nervous system which gives her an advantage in any fight, as the issue said. Scott has think and his brain has to send the command for his visor to open. Obviously, Storm sense this and react accordingly. In X-Men issue 60, Scott, under Candra's mind control, assaulted Storm in machine gun fashion at very close range and Storm dodged every blast and beat him.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Scott, [b]under Candra's mind control, assaulted Storm in machine gun fashion at very close range and Storm dodged every blast and beat him. [/B]

Sometimes I wonder if you know what you're typing half the time. Under mind control = not to the best of one's ability. That's like saying Deadpool rochameuing Captain America while mind controlled means Deadpool would beat Captain America in a dojo fight.

Originally posted by Rutog98

Just so you know how much strength that is, a 200 mph tornado or hurricane has 4 times the force of a 100 mph tornado or hurricane. A 300 mph tornado or hurricane has 9 times the force of a 100 mph tornado or hurricane. a 1000 mph tornado or hurricane has 100 times the force of a 100 mph hurricane or tornado. Storm would have to be able to do a couple of thousand mph to be able to fly those distances I mentioned in my earlier post in the time she flew there. So she's generating winds a couple of thousand miles per hour. She's been able to generate fields of pressure on Earth greater than the pressures found on the surface of Jupiter. She's summoned winds strong enough to punch her pressure dome through an iceberg, etc.

Ok, i have a question. Now either thiers a hidden variable when regarding force that i am not aware of (which may be the case, so anyone feel free to enlighten me if i am wrong), or this is blatantly incorrect math.

Speciffically when you said, a 1,000 MPH tornado or hurricane has 100 times the force of a 100 mph hurricane or tornado

Logically, and perhaps in my mathmatically "normal" mind, Thiers 100x10=1,000
leading me to believe that it would only multiply the force tenfold.

Earlier you stated she can literally generate winds hundred(s) of times more forceful than that of real life hurricanes/tornados

So, to be generous, lets take the bare minimum Multiplicity of force (200)

The strongest hurricanes travel at about 170 Miles per hour

So, with that in mind

Storm can generate winds of up to 34,000 Miles per hour

??????

Now, im going to have to see some on panel showings (not allegations, which often is merely hyperbole)

Of buildings literally being atomized by storms winds, mass destruction and cosmic beings being awoken by storms winds

Obviously theirs no speed checker in comics, but i think we can all grasp if storms winds are traveling tremendoulsly and rediculously fast

Im not coming at you with aggression or anything, but from reading this thread (and other storm threads in the past) It seems like storms abilities are being stretched and warped simply becuase of allegations on panel, without actual showings to back them up.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Rutgog is a writer for Mider's napkin drawn adventures. Storm is a new character in those series. Next month she takes out Thor and Beta Ray Bill at the same time.

Damn! I gotta pick up that issue! I hear in the summer she actually pimp-slaps Thanos and knocks him across the galaxy. For real, no fooling. Pimp-slaps him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Damn! I gotta pick up that issue! I hear in the summer she actually pimp-slaps Thanos and knocks him across the galaxy. For real, no fooling. Pimp-slaps him.

Oh damn! Bet that BET is doing the broadcast, like they did for Panther's wedding.

Which is possibly the most shameful plug and most stereotypical thing I've seen in my entire lifetime.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Actually it was explained in X-Treme. Storm's ability to perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces includes people. She can perceive the electron impulses that run through their nervous system which gives her an advantage in any fight, as the issue said. Scott has think and his brain has to send the command for his visor to open. Obviously, Storm sense this and react accordingly. In X-Men issue 60, Scott, under Candra's mind control, assaulted Storm in machine gun fashion at very close range and Storm dodged every blast and beat him.

I think you just proved my point for me.

"In X-Men issue 60, Scott, under Candra's mind control".

Scott's visor moves at the speed of thought. He's trained himself so it reacts psionically. One (incredibly fast) motion = Storm's death.