Storm vs Top Tier Characters

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hold your horses bucko. Where the hell was I? I was reading and laughing my ass off at the shit you call a post. Like this one. You post interviews as source material? I do not need to even get into the stupidity of that. OOOOhhhh WOOOOOW Storm said she had the power of a Godess. I say I have the power of a million suns. Who cares what people say? It is all about actions.

DO NOT try and say because I did not comment in your stupidity or try and defend you that I am a hypocrite. Hell can you even define the word? Nothing in your post made it seem like I was one. I did nothing that betrayed what I said. Go read a dictionary and come back to me.

To make my post crystal clear, Storm IS NOT an Omega mutant. Possible in front of the damn word should tell you that. Again give me one scan that says she is officially an omega level mutant. Please. I dare you. Cannot do it? Did not think so.

Power levels and Power limits are two different things. Iceman has no limit therefore his power level will continue to increase. Storm has a limit, and therefore her power level has already been determined.

I would also like to point out, why is it that you consider anything done to her PIS? Yet when she shows random powers it is perfectly acceptable?

As howard loves to say: You failed. Here's quarter, try again.

Are you trying to misunderstand what I am saying? I never brought up the omega thing until some other poster brought it up recently. Do I think she is omega? Yes. I definately think she is. However, since it has not been stated in canon definately, I have found other avenues to prove her power levels without using that word.

And for your information, Storm summoned the power of millions of stars in Uncanny 165. This is now in the official handbook for Storm as well. You don't like it, deal with it.

I don't need you to defend me. I can do that very well myself and doing a very good job of it regardless of whether or not posters want to accept the facts.

Storm's limits have already been defined as her body and will. Guess what? She has the potential to evolve and has even evolved before. Therefore, she can very well be an omega mutant as this nullifies your comment. Since we know specifically what limits her, all I have to prove is that she can transcend those limitations. She's done so in canon and its been stated she can as well. Iceman has ran out of power and collapsed doing things far less impressive than Storm. Your argument does not hold water. The only thing you can claim is Storm has never been officially called omega. However, I can claim that she can poteltially wield unlimited power and canon backs me.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Oh damn! Bet that BET is doing the broadcast, like they did for Panther's wedding.

Which is possibly the most shameful plug and most stereotypical thing I've seen in my entire lifetime.

HAHAHAHAH
ARE YOU SEIROUS???

that really happend???

rofl

as of right now i vow to replace hudlin on the marvel staff to right the wrongs done to our dear african american characters

thats just fuggin goofy

I really hope he doesn't get a hold of Rhodey again. I was gonna kill him for making Rhodes look like Iron Man's whipping boy.

Originally posted by Rutog98
[B]Are you trying to misunderstand what I am saying? I never brought up the omega thing until some other poster brought it up recently. Do I think she is omega? Yes. I definately think she is. However, since it has not been stated in canon definately, I have found other avenues to prove her power levels without using that word.

You do not honestly understand do you? Some people are really powerful. I give storm that, however that does not make them Omega level. AT ALL.

And for your information, Storm summoned the power of millions of stars in Uncanny 165. This is now in the official handbook for Storm as well. You don't like it, deal with it.

And if you cry no its not pis, then its not pis when magneto electrified her. Its either or man.

I don't need you to defend me. I can do that very well myself and doing a very good job of it regardless of whether or not posters want to accept the facts.

Storm's limits have already been defined as her body and will. Guess what? She has the potential to evolve and has even evolved before. Therefore, she can very well be an omega mutant as this nullifies your comment. Since we know specifically what limits her, all I have to prove is that she can transcend those limitations. She's done so in canon and its been stated she can as well. Iceman has ran out of power and collapsed doing things far less impressive than Storm. Your argument does not hold water. The only thing you can claim is Storm has never been officially called omega. However, I can claim that she can poteltially wield unlimited power and canon backs me.

So wait, anyone that can turn into energy is now omega? Man that must be ALOT of omegas running around. Pish Posh. Show me one time Storm has been blown up in human form, turned into nothing, and then came back? Iceman ran out of power because he was still in human form with an ice coating. He did not understand his powers. Nowadays? If he does that someone did not research his character. Simple enough.

Storm's power is nothing more than an amplified rain dance. Get over it.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Ok, i have a question. Now either thiers a hidden variable when regarding force that i am not aware of (which may be the case, so anyone feel free to enlighten me if i am wrong), or this is blatantly incorrect math.

Speciffically when you said, a 1,000 MPH tornado or hurricane has 100 times the force of a 100 mph hurricane or tornado

Logically, and perhaps in my mathmatically "normal" mind, Thiers 100x10=1,000
leading me to believe that it would only multiply the force tenfold.

Earlier you stated she can literally generate winds hundred(s) of times more forceful than that of real life hurricanes/tornados

So, to be generous, lets take the bare minimum Multiplicity of force (200)

The strongest hurricanes travel at about 170 Miles per hour

So, with that in mind

[b]Storm can generate winds of up to 34,000 Miles per hour

??????

Now, im going to have to see some on panel showings (not allegations, which often is merely hyperbole)

Of buildings literally being atomized by storms winds, mass destruction and cosmic beings being awoken by storms winds

Obviously theirs no speed checker in comics, but i think we can all grasp if storms winds are traveling tremendoulsly and rediculously fast

Im not coming at you with aggression or anything, but from reading this thread (and other storm threads in the past) It seems like storms abilities are being stretched and warped simply becuase of allegations on panel, without actual showings to back them up. [/B]

as my post sits unattended

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Time for another gauntlet a la Beta Ray Howard. This one's inspired by Rutgog's claim of Storm being a top tier character. So, let's see how she does.

Captain Atom
Hyperion (exiles)
Namor
Beta Ray Bill
Silver Surfer

Why the hell is Captain Atom first? 😒

Anyway, she'd die at anyone of these characters. She simply can't compete.

/thread

Originally posted by batdude123
[B]Why the hell is Captain Atom first? 😒
[B]

Because you're from Indiana.

IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT, BATDUDE!

😛

Go Bears.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Because you're from Indiana.

IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT, BATDUDE!

😛

Go Bears.

GROSSman sucks!!!! 💃 💃

Originally posted by batdude123
Why the hell is Captain Atom first? 😒

😛 😆

Originally posted by Badabing
Because he's overrated and under powered. 😐

😛 😆

Quite the opposite you bastich. 😛

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You do not honestly understand do you? Some people are really powerful. I give storm that, however that does not make them Omega level. AT ALL.

I was quoting sentry. Still sounds like PIS to me when she can control EARTHS WEATHER. 😐

And if you cry no its not pis, then its not pis when magneto electrified her. Its either or man.

or maybe they see the facts and are not biased about it. Something to ponder?

So wait, anyone that can turn into energy is now omega? Man that must be ALOT of omegas running around. Pish Posh. Show me one time Storm has been blown up in human form, turned into nothing, and then came back? Iceman ran out of power because he was still in human form with an ice coating. He did not understand his powers. Nowadays? If he does that someone did not research his character. Simple enough.

Storm's power is nothing more than an amplified rain dance. Get over it.

Here is what you don't see: Storm's powers are limited by the force of her will and strength of her body. This is canon as its in the Official Handbook as well. Storm has the potential to transcend humanity and evolve. This means that the body limitation is temporary and then her power will be limited by imagination only. What you are saying about Iceman passing out because he was in human form and no ice form is something to be said for Storm as well.

In regards to Storm controlling weather, stars, etc, I think you are missing the boat about her powers. She has a unity with life itself. She's able to sense the life force within plants, living beings, stars, planets, etc. She can then draw on this lifeforce and use it to control the elements. Stars are huge concentrations of these life energies that she can draw upon and command. Read Uncanny 165. She can also control more than weather as Uncanny 147 stated she can control every elemental force on the planet. She's been able to control earthquakes, ocean currents, EM fields and even manifest clothing out of thin air.

She can control stars and she is immune to electricity. Both are in canon so she has both. It is not an either or thing with Magneto since it has NOTHING at all to do with his limited power to harness electricity. All he can do is project it at Storm. The question is is Ororo immune to electricity or not. The answer is yes. She is immune to it as it has been stated in canon and shown numerous times not only when she calls down lightning upon herself or channels lightning, but even against other electricity manipulators like Blitzkrieg who is MUCH stronger with electricity than Magneto. According to forum rules, she has both.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Ok, i have a question. Now either thiers a hidden variable when regarding force that i am not aware of (which may be the case, so anyone feel free to enlighten me if i am wrong), or this is blatantly incorrect math.

Speciffically when you said, a 1,000 MPH tornado or hurricane has 100 times the force of a 100 mph hurricane or tornado

Logically, and perhaps in my mathmatically "normal" mind, Thiers 100x10=1,000
leading me to believe that it would only multiply the force tenfold.

Earlier you stated she can literally generate winds hundred(s) of times more forceful than that of real life hurricanes/tornados

So, to be generous, lets take the bare minimum Multiplicity of force (200)

The strongest hurricanes travel at about 170 Miles per hour

So, with that in mind

[b]Storm can generate winds of up to 34,000 Miles per hour

??????

Now, im going to have to see some on panel showings (not allegations, which often is merely hyperbole)

Of buildings literally being atomized by storms winds, mass destruction and cosmic beings being awoken by storms winds

Obviously theirs no speed checker in comics, but i think we can all grasp if storms winds are traveling tremendoulsly and rediculously fast

Im not coming at you with aggression or anything, but from reading this thread (and other storm threads in the past) It seems like storms abilities are being stretched and warped simply becuase of allegations on panel, without actual showings to back them up. [/B]

The force of tornadoes and hurricanes increase in force geometrically to their wind velocities. That's why it works out the way I said.

That said, what you said about the fact checker thing does not work. Wind speeds are dependant on heat and pressure differences primarily. The greater the pressure differences between to fronts, the greater the wind. When you have a character like Storm who can generate pressure fields greater than the surface of Jupiter and pressure fields low enough to suffocate people, you are really getting some bad stuff. The fact is given the way Ororo's powers work and the range she has, she can take the planet's resources and proportion them in ways to get the worst case scenerio. Thus, she can very logically generate storms much stronger than any real life hurricane or tornado and she has done this in the comics. Now, I am just offering an explanation for how she is doing these things. Even if you disagree, it does not take away from the fact that she does indeed have these feats.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Ok, i have a question. Now either thiers a hidden variable when regarding force that i am not aware of (which may be the case, so anyone feel free to enlighten me if i am wrong), or this is blatantly incorrect math.

Speciffically when you said, a 1,000 MPH tornado or hurricane has 100 times the force of a 100 mph hurricane or tornado

Logically, and perhaps in my mathmatically "normal" mind, Thiers 100x10=1,000
leading me to believe that it would only multiply the force tenfold.

Earlier you stated she can literally generate winds hundred(s) of times more forceful than that of real life hurricanes/tornados

So, to be generous, lets take the bare minimum Multiplicity of force (200)

The strongest hurricanes travel at about 170 Miles per hour

So, with that in mind

[b]Storm can generate winds of up to 34,000 Miles per hour

??????

Now, im going to have to see some on panel showings (not allegations, which often is merely hyperbole)

Of buildings literally being atomized by storms winds, mass destruction and cosmic beings being awoken by storms winds

Obviously theirs no speed checker in comics, but i think we can all grasp if storms winds are traveling tremendoulsly and rediculously fast

Im not coming at you with aggression or anything, but from reading this thread (and other storm threads in the past) It seems like storms abilities are being stretched and warped simply becuase of allegations on panel, without actual showings to back them up. [/B]

Originally posted by Rutog98
In regards to Storm controlling weather, stars, etc, I think you are missing the boat about her powers. She has a unity with life itself. She's able to sense the life force within plants, living beings, stars, planets, etc. She can then draw on this lifeforce and use it to control the elements. Stars are huge concentrations of these life energies that she can draw upon and command. Read Uncanny 165. She can also control more than weather as Uncanny 147 stated she can control every elemental force on the planet. She's been able to control earthquakes, ocean currents, EM fields and even manifest clothing out of thin air.

You really are off your rocker.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You really are off your rocker.

Everything there was taken right out of canon. What do you think I am inaccurate about? Can you back this claim?

Originally posted by Rutog98
Everything there was taken right out of canon. What do you think I am inaccurate about? Can you back this claim?

Mostly the fact that you talk about things that she does very infrequently like overpowering Magneto in terms of EM control, generating eathquakes, lifting buildings and creating matter out of nothing.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Mostly the fact that you talk about things that she does very infrequently like overpowering Magneto in terms of EM control, generating eathquakes, lifting buildings and creating matter out of nothing.

She's done impressive wind stunts many times.

Look, Storm was in a title where she was more powerful than the villains. She's not going to be written this powerful all the time as she could beat just about any of the x-villains by her lonesome save for the occassional Dark Phoenix or something like that where she would have to evolve in order to fight.

Storm bites it against every guy in this thread.

That said... I think that Magneto could've hurt her by changing the electricity into something else Ororo is not protected against. Unlikely but posible, that would pit two conflicted definitions in one same universe. There is a lot of bad writting involved, but I dont think anyone argues that.

Originally posted by Rutog98
She's done impressive wind stunts many times.

Look, Storm was in a title where she was more powerful than the villains. She's not going to be written this powerful all the time as she could beat just about any of the x-villains by her lonesome save for the occassional Dark Phoenix or something like that where she would have to evolve in order to fight.

Who is she Darwin?

You keep pointing out how she has all this limitless power that is only restrained by her body. What you seem to be ignoring is that SHE STILL HAS HER BODY.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Who is she Darwin?

You keep pointing out how she has all this limitless power that is only restrained by her body. What you seem to be ignoring is that SHE STILL HAS HER BODY.

True. Very true and she allows this to limit her. Its her morality that holds her power in check. In Uncanny 147, she evolved because she was in circumstances that motivated her to lose all restraint and throw caution and consequences to the wind.

That said, eventhough she still has a flesh and blood body, she has still done things like redirect Siena Blaze, over power Magneto, create winds strong enough to smash his force-field and tax his powers to great extremes, fly thousands of miles in a matter of minutes, lift tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of tons, redirect Siena Blaze's full power (which is actually the most impressive thing on the list), etc.