Emma Frost Respect Thread

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Leading the Dark X-Men

Uncanny X-Men #514

(12th August 2009)
Writer: Matt Fraction
Artist: Terry Dodson

Emma manages to separate Daken and Hawkeye quite easily.

Emma and Namor take on Humanoid Sentinels, a decent display of Strength. She also manages to make contact with their minds noting that the infected humans are not technically alive anymore.

The Dark X-Men keep things under control and Emma contacts headquarters telepathically.

Betrayl

Dark Avengers #8

(26th August 2009)
Writer: Matt Fraction
Artist: Luke Ross

Emma and Namor betray Norman Osborn before he can stab them in the back. She also smashes Dakens face into the ground.

Dark X-Men vs. Renegade Mutants

Uncanny X-Men 513

(15th July 2009)
Writer: Matt Fraction
Artist: Mike Deodato

Emma's Diamond Form undergoes adamtine luster which disperses psi energy therefore Xavier is unable to read her thoughts as they are protected. Thus she has to speak out loud so he can hear what she's saying. However she is able to hear his thoughts. This would explain some of the discrepancies regarding her telepathy and Diamond Form in Whedons run.

X-Men vs. Norman Osborn and Co.


Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Exodus

(10th September 2009)
Writer: Matt Fraction
Artist: Terry Dodson & Mike Deodato

Emma keeps everyone on the island linked psychically at all times.

Emma with the aid of a weakened Xavier makes contact with the Sentry's mind where the Void has taken control. She then uses the White Room she created for him in New Avengers to free Bob and contain the Void within herself for a short while giving Bob enough time to regain control of himself and flee. She's not able to hold the Void for long and it chases after him. A Sliver of the Void is contained within Emma, her Diamond Form prevents it having access to her Omega Level Telepathy.


Matt Fraction - CBR Evolution Revolution 6 (Interview)

(11th September 2009)
Writer: Matt Fraction
Interviewer: Dave Richards

What exactly happens with the Sentry and the Void in this scene?

Fraction : Scott and Emma knew they couldn't beat the Sentry, so they had to distract the Void and for a split second Emma does just that. She keeps it within herself long enough for Bob Reynolds to snap to, realize what's happening, and flee. All they needed to do was to buy that half-a-second for the Sentry to take off and he flies into space as fast as he can. He realizes the best thing he can do is get off the battlefield. He goes off at the speed of light and the Void rushes after him to reconnect so they can be whole again.

Doing that has left a sliver of the Void in Emma's psyche. She's got this weird, twisted dagger of darkness incarnate in her brain. So she has to stay trapped in diamond form, which cuts her off from her psychic powers. If she were to go flesh and blood the Void would have access to the abilities of an Omega level telepath. So she's basically the carrier for a disease. That was the price she paid.


Matt Fraction - IGN (Interview)

(17th September 2009)
Writer: Matt Fraction
Interviewer: Jesse Schedeen

IGN Comics: I'm curious about the ramifications of certain events in the battle. After Emma sends the Sentry screaming into space we see that she has a small piece of the Void inside her head.

Fraction: She didn't really send the Sentry into space. The Sentry overcame the Void. What she managed to do was contain the Void just long enough for the Sentry's consciousness to kick back in and realize what was happening. All she needed to do was get the Sentry/Void off the table for a few minutes. But yeah, then there's a sliver of the Void left inside of her..

Hulks Ramage in San Francisco

Hulk Team Up

(10th September 2009)
Writers: Marc Sumerak &
Alex Zalben

Artists: Joyce Chin &
Sanford Greene

The Hulks and Thor are battling it in SF.

An earthquake is triggered, the X-Men discuss the situation.

Emma is able to sense the Hulks thought patterns near the Golden Gate Bridge.

please don't shoot me on here, but is there anyone else that isn't too thrilled with the "omega-class telepath" thing?

one of the main reasons i'm a fan of emma, other than her being such a complex (as well as funny) character, was that she was an incredible, brilliant, creative *Alpha* level mutant who could run circles around stronger adversaries without even batting an eyelash, which always impressed me. this has nothing to do with me being a jean fan, i just feel like it cheapens emma's value (no diamond puns intended). now it's like anything she does is less than impressive only because she's an "omega" and thus has the potential to back it up.

idk, fraction's creation of some new misuse of omega just isn't doing it for me.

It was pretty stupid

It depends on where Fraction plans to go with it. If he means to make her a walking plot-device similar to the likes of X-Man, no thank you. If it's just a way to cement her standing among the top-most telepaths -- where she always was, even if not quite up to Xavier's level perhaps, not to mention the various Phoenixes and their spawn -- then I have no problem with it, other than the omega label in itself, which has some bad baggage with it.

So far he really haven't done anything noteworthy with this so-called omega ranking, he even had Scott upstage her with taking care of the Void, lol. Likewise she had to be rescued from Lady Mastermind by Jean Grey during the Sisterhood arc (she was ambushed while sleeping there though).

If anything I think Fraction has built up Jean Grey's standing as a telepath during his run, having Emma refer to her as "the most gifted psychic I've ever known" during the Cabal short story, and now Cyclops referred to her as "the greatest telepath the world has ever known" (or close to it) during the recent Void arc. Seems she supplanted Xavier there. Not to mention her showing Cyclops how to make a black box impenetrable by Emma and able to contain the (supposedly, it was only a sliver after all) vast powers of the Void.

All of this seems to conflict a bit with the omega label I think, unless perhaps he means to reserve the new "God" (capical G intentional, as omega should include "god" level already) ranking for Jean.

Originally posted by Phoenix_Avatar9

one of the main reasons i'm a fan of emma, other than her being such a complex (as well as funny) character, [b]was that she was an incredible, brilliant, creative *Alpha* level mutant who could run circles around stronger adversaries without even batting an eyelash, which always impressed me.
. [/B]

Thing is that is an absolute myth. People read that scene where she beat Rachel Grey incorrectly. Rachel Grey stated she has more raw power then Emma which is true, but this is because Chris Claremont believes that she has an unlimited reserve of TK and TP because she is the child of the Phoenix. If Xavier, Exodus or even Cassandra Nova were in that situation they too would would have said Rachel >>> more raw more then themselves.

But nickbackm is right it's just to cement her standing as one of the most powerful telepaths in the world which she always was. I have no idea why there is a fan rift about the issue, Emma had few appearances as the White Queen but was labelled everything under the Sun saying she was up there with Jean and Xavier.

The issue with the Sisterhood fight is that the X-Men were ambushed by magic/psychic chaff courtesy of Maddie and Empath while she was sleeping. And LM, Martinque and Chimera had their abilities enhanced by Maddie's magic. As for that Jean Grey scene I have no idea what is going on that's why I didn't post it in this thread yet. Fraction said it'll be addressed during Second Coming but I don't believe Jean will come back there.

I feel that Fraction was trying to keep balance in his stories that's why he had Scott trap the Void. If you think about it, Pixie's time to shine was SFX, Colossus and Lovelorn, Sisterhood "Emma", Utopia Emma & Scott and Nation X Scott.

Not to mention omega level telepath=\=omega level mutant, and as mutant Emma is still Alpha level by that Poccy's classification. Fraction used Omega Level telepath as "top 10 telepath", it doesn't mean Emma has unlimited potential to evolve.
People often use just greek letter Omega on the forum, without giving much thought about "Omega what?".

That's the perfect example of Americans in general simplifying everything...right from culturological textbooks🙂 Three classifications with the same top marker are too much (though Nimrod's one is obscure and almost forgotten one).

Rachel Summers went through the same thing as Emma, being classified as "Omega level priority" by Nimrod. People took the letter and ran with it, basically, even though it means "highest priority" and has relatively little to do with powerlevel.

Emma's not an Omega level mutant, no matter how much i wish she was... 🙁

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Originally posted by -K-M-
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What?

I posted in the wrong thread, so I edited out my original post as it wasn't relevant here.

Originally posted by psi-aura
Emma's not an Omega level mutant, no matter how much i wish she was... 🙁

I actually love the fact that she is "just" an alpha and not an omega level mutant. This way her feats are all the more impressive cause they show how skilled, strongwilled, brilliant and cunning she is.
In comparison enormous power is so trivial among superheroes nowadays ... boooriiing!!!

Originally posted by -K-M-
I posted in the wrong thread, so I edited out my original post as it wasn't relevant here.

Ooooooooo....... 😐

thanks for telling me. 😄

Originally posted by wannabe
I actually love the fact that she is "just" an alpha and not an omega level mutant. This way her feats are all the more impressive cause they show how skilled, strongwilled, brilliant and cunning she is.
In comparison enormous power is so trivial among superheroes nowadays ... boooriiing!!!

I Agree. ✅

But still, she's done enough impressive feats to be considered as powerful as an Omega, without actually being acknowlaged as an Omega. Damn writers. 😒

Originally posted by psi-aura
I Agree. ✅

But still, she's done enough impressive feats to be considered as powerful as an Omega, without actually being acknowlaged as an Omega. Damn writers. 😒

If that is your view, shouldn't you be happy with what Fraction did? Or are you referring to the other writers?

ExodusCloak: You might perhaps want to change the title for the Uncanny #513 post. That wasn't about renegade mutants or?

Originally posted by nikbackm
If that is your view, shouldn't you be happy with what Fraction did? Or are you referring to the other writers?

[B]ExodusCloak: You might perhaps want to change the title for the Uncanny #513 post. That wasn't about renegade mutants or? [/B]

I can't I don't have mod abilities. It was DA #7 issue too. 🙁

[QUOTE=12435942]Originally posted by nikbackm
[B]If that is your view, shouldn't you be happy with what Fraction did? Or are you referring to the other writers?

I'm Ok with Fraction, he apreciates Emma, but I'm miffed with other writers making her out to be a dumb blonde and a homewrecking *****.
Just stating my opinion.