Omega Flight

Originally posted by King_Mungi
An army that is under his control...GUH!

Once again as your simply ignoring those demons are under Wrecker's control ie. part of his power set. Witchfire can summon a demon army and it's part of her powerset to do so, just like Wrecker. I honestly don't see how it's so hard to grasp.

I specifically mentioned that Wrecker controlled them in that post 😐

Actually,i saw Tarnaque summon them and say that WRECKER can CONTROL them.Theres a difference,would you consider doombots part of his usual powerset?and if he had hundreds of doombots swarm Thor,then he starts beating on an unconsciuos Thor,is that a win?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I specifically mentioned that Wrecker controlled them in that post 😐

Actually,i saw Tarnaque summon them and say that WRECKER can CONTROL them.Theres a difference,would you consider doombots part of his usual powerset?and if he had hundreds of doombots swarm Thor,then he starts beating on an unconsciuos Thor,is that a win?

yes, but your ignoring the fact he can use them as his powerset

Same thing, Wrecker has control over them and can do his bidding. Actually yes for Doom as he has created them and their already developed and if need be he could use them to do battle for him. Also yes, as once again part of his powerset.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
yes, but your ignoring the fact he can use them as his powerset

Same thing, Wrecker has control over them and can do his bidding. Actually yes for Doom as he has created them and their already developed and if need be he could use them to do battle for him. Also yes, as once again part of his powerset.

So Darkseid using paradoms is a lefgit win?Doom using doombots is a legt win?

thats just dumb,tarnaque summoned an army and made Wrecker it's commander,he had the demons help him,and as they surged over Bill he lost.It was not Wreckers win,it was Wreckers+Tarnaques army win.Now if Wrecker summoned them it would be different,it would be powerset,but as he just led them,it's no more valid then if the crew helped them.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
James Hudson never actually died, people believed he did but in fact never did.

I know. I was oversimplifying for comic effect...

Originally posted by Martian_mind
So Darkseid using paradoms is a lefgit win?Doom using doombots is a legt win?

thats just dumb,tarnaque summoned an army and made Wrecker it's commander,he had the demons help him,and as they surged over Bill he lost.It was not Wreckers win,it was Wreckers+Tarnaques army win.Now if Wrecker summoned them it would be different,it would be powerset,but as he just led them,it's no more valid then if the crew helped them.

Yes, as that's them having full resources to their powers. Aquaman has even uses his army several times to do battle it's his to command just like Darkseid has the parademons, and Doom has his doombots. Which in Exiles stories he uses them to take over the Earth.

Dumb as in fact? Once again commander has command of them and they do his bidding. My god why can't you grasp that? Actually it is, as any war battle win the admiral or the superior commander gets credit for commanding the troops and that happens in real life. Actually it is, as with Tanaraq upgrading him he gave him the army to command and to lead on Earth as the GB havn't crossed over. Meaning he tells them what to do and has their complete and utter alliegance.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yes, as that's them having full resources to their powers. Aquaman has even uses his army several times to do battle it's his to command just like Darkseid has the parademons, and Doom has his doombots. Which in Exiles stories he uses them to take over the Earth.

Dumb as in fact? Once again commander has command of them and they do his bidding. My god why can't you grasp that? Actually it is, as any war battle win the admiral or the superior commander gets credit for commanding the troops and that happens in real life. Actually it is, as with Tanaraq upgrading him he gave him the army to command and to lead on Earth as the GB havn't crossed over. Meaning he tells them what to do and has their complete and utter alliegance.

I fully comprehend what your saying,but what your saying is just dumb.Saying Wrecker one is downright wrong as he needed help to do it,nothing changes that fact.

my god,whats so hard to comprehend about THAT?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I fully comprehend what your saying,but what your saying is just dumb.Saying Wrecker one is downright wrong as he needed help to do it,nothing changes that fact.

my god,whats so hard to comprehend about THAT?

The fact you can't accept with Wrecker's command BRB was taken out quite easily with power that was given to him and has yet to be taken away. It's his power, his army. Even Oeming stated Wrecker won and he is the writer. Now if you want to debate the actual writing of Oeming and what is said go right a head.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The fact you can't accept with Wrecker's command BRB was taken out quite easily with power that was given to him and has yet to be taken away. It's his power, his army. Even Oeming stated Wrecker won and he is the writer. Now if you want to debate the actual writing of Oeming and what is said go right a head.

I accept it,i don't accept that you can say with a straight face that Wrecker won.Using your commander takes credit then logically tarnaque beat him,as he made the troops and just lent them to wrecker.

It's not his power,it's his troops,i can't believe that you can't grasp this 😬

It doesn't matter that he said Wrecker won,you just need to read the comic and it stands out he needed his army too do it,why you need to fanboyishly state that it was a coclusive win for Wrecker is beyond me.However i'm not going to bother repeating the same arguments over and over when they don't sink in.Again,he needed the army to win,being their leader doesn't change a thing.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I accept it,i don't accept that you can say with a straight face that Wrecker won.Using your commander takes credit then logically tarnaque beat him,as he made the troops and just lent them to wrecker.

It's not his power,it's his troops,i can't believe that you can't grasp this 😬

It doesn't matter that he said Wrecker won,you just need to read the comic and it stands out he needed his army too do it,why you need to fanboyishly state that it was a coclusive win for Wrecker is beyond me.However i'm not going to bother repeating the same arguments over and over when they don't sink in.Again,he needed the army to win,being their leader doesn't change a thing.

He DID WIN, AS EVEN STATED! No, superior commander ie. the one who was directly commands them gets the credit. Which is like in real society.

GAH! Doom bots are Doom's troops their not an extension of him their seperate. Tanaraq gave him the power boost and the demon army as HIS! My god I'm borderline putting you on ignore as it's clear as day.

He wrote the comic he knows what happens. So your logic > writer? Your the fanboy as your the one who tried to be smart and make your earlier comment and were proven wrong. Being a leader of an army is a WIN! Aquaman does the exact same thing and he didn't create them he commands them. It's part of his power-set as he commands them to do his bidding.

Look, fact of the matter is that in OF#3 BRB takes a decent beating. Could Wrecker, un-amped and without a demon army, have done it alone? Probably not.

But Wrecker DID beat BRB (and had a snappy line about Thor clones in the process).

Have we gotten to the point that an interesting storyline should be put aside so that people can argue over whether or not Character A can actually beat Character B?

Call it PIS/CIS if you want, just don't destroy my enjoyment of the comics.

/Still haven't gotten my hands on #4 yet... 😠

Originally posted by shksprtx
Look, fact of the matter is that in OF#3 BRB takes a decent beating. Could Wrecker, un-amped and without a demon army, have done it alone? Probably not.

Classic Wrecker was stated to be physically stronger then Thor way back in the day. The Crew have been treated as jokes for years which is a shame

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He DID WIN, AS EVEN STATED! No, superior commander ie. the one who was directly commands them gets the credit. Which is like in real society.

GAH! Doom bots are Doom's troops their not an extension of him their seperate. Tanaraq gave him the power boost and the demon army as HIS! My god I'm borderline putting you on ignore as it's clear as day.

He wrote the comic he knows what happens. So your logic > writer? Your the fanboy as your the one who tried to be smart and make your earlier comment and were proven wrong. Being a leader of an army is a WIN! Aquaman does the exact same thing and he didn't create them he commands them. It's part of his power-set as he commands them to do his bidding.

1.i was not trying to be smart,i asked you a question and you responded,if you want to blow it out of proportion then fine,i can handle oversensitve types.

2.In battle maybe,but this was one man,so your saying that if it takes an army to beat one man then the commander takes credit?that's not like real society,mostly cause a leader shouldn't need an army to beat a single opponent,witch he did 😐.

3.I'm saying if a reasonable person reads the comment and the comic,the two don't add up.i will tell you now,not one person on this board will agree that Wrecker was the winner if you use that logic.Oh,and i said you were being fanboyish,not you were a fanboy,though i would like to see whom i'm being a fanboy too,as i was just pointing out glaring inaccuracies in your points on that fight.

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Classic Wrecker was stated to be physically stronger then Thor way back in the day. The Crew have been treated as jokes for years which is a shame

My point is that I DON'T CARE!!! Wrecker put a beat-down on BRB. Which means that maybe Oeming is trying to salvage the Crew's reputation as villains.

Mungi, you're a great debater and very knowledgeable, but save it for the Versus Forum...

Martian_Mind, you make several valid points as well, but the same applies to you...

I'm not trying to be a mod or anything, just a voice of reason...

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Well,My card is accurate in SOME respects...😖hifty:

Originally posted by Martian_mind

Well,My card is accurate in SOME respects...😖hifty:

I agree...you're sonning skills=👇

😛

nah, just messin with you 😂

The problem with the Beta fight was, that, while it may have been Wrecker's powers, it still ended in a cheapshot, while Beta was distracted.

It wasn't one on one.
The army attacked, Beta beat them, Beta got cheap shotted.

If there was no demon army in the vicinity, then it would have ended differently.

Would it be Thanos's powers if he was fighting someone, and Fallen One or Skreet had attacked the person, giving Thanos a chance to cheap shot them? No.

However... If that was an extension of Wrecker's powers (i.e. he summoned them), then it would be all Wrecker.

Otherwise, Wrecker got knocked through the demon army. Demon army got defeated. Beta in a moment of vulnerability got attacked.
Not exactly the best showing of a battle between the two...

Originally posted by shksprtx
My point is that I DON'T CARE!!! Wrecker put a beat-down on BRB. Which means that maybe Oeming is trying to salvage the Crew's reputation as villains.

Mungi, you're a great debater and very knowledgeable, but save it for the Versus Forum...

Martian_Mind, you make several valid points as well, but the same applies to you...

I'm not trying to be a mod or anything, just a voice of reason...

My point was talking about what past Wrecker did, I wasn't debating with you. Just mentioning they have been treated badly for years, as even Hawkeye beat Piledriver using arrows even though he is bulletproof, losing to the Runaways, etc.

Originally posted by Tyrant
The problem with the Beta fight was, that, while it may have been Wrecker's powers, it still ended in a cheapshot, while Beta was distracted.

It wasn't one on one.
The army attacked, Beta beat them, Beta got cheap shotted.

If there was no demon army in the vicinity, then it would have ended differently.

Would it be Thanos's powers if he was fighting someone, and Fallen One or Skreet had attacked the person, giving Thanos a chance to cheap shot them? No.

However... If that was an extension of Wrecker's powers (i.e. he summoned them), then it would be all Wrecker.

Otherwise, Wrecker got knocked through the demon army. Demon army got defeated. Beta in a moment of vulnerability got attacked.
Not exactly the best showing of a battle between the two...

No where did I state it was one on one, BUT the army given to him by Tanaraq is his to use. Their his, he commands them they do what they want and how he wants it.

No, because that's a seperate entity. The demon army is that an army. Aquaman as mentioned earlier has fulll access to his army, same with Namor if he uses his full resources. That's their resources, their the commanders of the army. They were given to him to use to do their and his bidding

Considering what the Crew did preivously [Pre New Avengers and Omega Flight] it's HUGELY impressive. As their last apperance before that, which I think was Runaways they got steam rolled. This is them back to their classic levels as a Thor threat. The Demon army isn't defeated yet, Bill just destroyed a small few and over-loaded.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No where did I state it was one on one, BUT the army given to him by Tanaraq is his to use. Their his, he commands them they do what they want and how he wants it.

No, because that's a seperate entity. The demon army is that an army. Aquaman as mentioned earlier has fulll access to his army, same with Namor if he uses his full resources. That's their resources, their the commanders of the army. They were given to him to use to do their and his bidding

So, could that mean that a team is similar to an army? I mean, U.S. Agent was given Omega Flight to do what he wants, and he has access to them... ermm

If Aquaman uses his army, then it isn't just his win, same as Wrecker's.
It should be Wrecker + army brought down Beta.
Not Wrecker, just because he's the general or whatnot.

If you make a thread right now, that involves just Wrecker specified, would the army also be included? Because I know, Namor, and Aquaman's aren't...

Also, when was Wrecker given control of the army anyway?