Originally posted by allfg
1. BotS is canon, only a few aspects of the story were contradicted, the rest of the story goes.2. You do realise that pretty 90% of that post is completely unsupported, right?
See lightsnake's last answer before you go spewing off some more denial.
2. Says the one who can't debate for shit.
Originally posted by Faunus
I love how you guys all bash him and his arguments everytime he posts, but never manage to put up a rebuttal of your own. It's pathetic, really. Now, I'm not saying that I agree, not at all, but many of his arguments are valid enough, and I don't understand why you can't refute them if they're so easily countered.
Faunus, we're all guilty of bashing (yes, that includes you). So, let's shed some light on the subject. Noobaris here has had, what? Six zillion accounts on here? Each of them has made these bogus bullshit claims - and with each account, they get more farfetched and more stupid. I've argued with all of them about this subject. It gets nowhere. So, we bash him. Why? Because he's a hypocritical dumbass.
So, please don't lecture anybody about arguing with Noobaris - because I've done it more than anybody, and it's a gigantic waste of time.
Edit: Anyways, aside from Sidious's vastly superior feats, we'll go with this nice quote - plucked from the Complete Visual Guide: "the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power."
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oh great escape, now he's going to argue the quote. THANKS
It's not going to be an argument. Because all the hell he does is say "it reefers to teh eccomplishmenz!!11!!!", and then I remind him that the quote was made by the time of AotC, where Sidious was little more than a public servant, with no emergancy powers or superpowered authority. No Empire. The Jedi were still around.
So, really, it's just me supplying a very valid quote.
What Kopecz thinks is of no value. bane is not confirmed the Sith'Aro
That's not the point Lightsnake, and you know it. Kopekz was fully aware of the prophecy of the Sith'ari, the Sith'ari was said to be 'the ultimate sith', 'a perfect being', and said to have 'perfect strength, perfect power, perfect destiny'. The fact that Kopekz believed that Bane might have been the very Sith'ari with only the one conversation to base the deduction off of speaks for truly how strong Bane's presence was in the force; Kopekz hadn't seen any displays of the force from Bane, Bane hadn't been trained yet, the only thing he would have had to go on was how strong the force was in Bane.
Exar's power was beyond the others at just 6 months of training. And the Jedi and Sith were pretty uber? It's made clear the BoD is a low point in Sith history
We've already been through this Lightsnake, the BoD was damn impressive, which would make sense considering it was pretty much the most martial order of sith ever. However, to name a few:
1. Kas'im was basically the most technically gifted swordsman ever; he mastered every form, furthered and perfected them, and constantly kept his skills up and refined them.
2. Kaox Krul was a beast in combat if Darkness Shared is anything to go by; he was a sith legend, killed hundreds of jedi in his lifetime, and he inspired fear throughout the jedi ranks.
3. Seviss Vaa was so adept at sith alchemy that she was able to create a giant behemoth that could shoot giant energy beams out of its forehead.
And that's not even mentioning Kaan, Quordis and Kopekz (who were the top 3 sith for a reason), or the fact that a young Durge (that's right, the same guy who was on Anakin and Obi-Wan's aka the PT elites' level by Obsession) was nothing more than a minion for them; a nobody in comparison.
Yeah, Kaan was a coward on every count. The entire point was he was a cruel, craven hypocrite
Maybe so, but he never displayed fear on the level he did when mention of Bane came up, or when face to face with him.
So? Zannah killed two Jedi when she was much younger. A young Anakin, far younger, killed a Blood Carver pirate with the Force...
And Zannah was damn prodigious too...
And wow, so your using uber Chosen One level feats to try and downplay Bane's? Right, so because the fricking Chosen one basically did the same thing, it can't possibly be good.. 🙄
and none of it puts him above Kun
In terms of strength in the darkside, yes it does. And really, weren't you arguing that Bane > Kun a while back?
BOTS takes place immediately after PoD, actually. He'd just left Ruusan. Moreover, Palpatine's lightning could wipe out a 100 troops...Kun was also a Force Lightning master according to the DSB
The feat I'm referring to happens long before BotS... And it's only after having learnt the technique an hour beforeso. And it also takes place before his two most noteworthy power surges; when he gains Revan's holocron, and when he gains Nadd's. Face it, by BotS, he'd be able to replicate the feat with ten times the power and mastery in the very least, probably more like 20 times the power and mastery.
And you do realise that Sourcebook stats are N Canon, right? And Dooku was also a Master of Lightning, that doesn't mean that it was anywhere near Bane's level, because we can quite clearly see that it's not. Point is, simply being a master of lightning doesn't necessarily put his lightning on Bane, Revan or Palpatine's level.
Luke built up a giant castle with the Force and later smashed itn to pieces in the Black Fleet Trilogy, so?
1. Bane grew much more powerful after this point.
2. I'm not seeing how Luke's feat is any more impressive. Remember, the Rakatan Temple was 20 stories high, I doubt the castle Luke built was that big, but you see, I haven't read the Black Feat Trilogy, so how about supplying some passages.
And Exar killed Odan-Ur easily, so?
Odan was 'old and weak' by his own admission. Quordis was young and powerful, and Bane owned him as easily as Exar did Odan.
There's a word for this and it's lying: Bane had them join together. If he was controlling them, how'd they break away?
Reading comprehension, much? I never said he was controlling them. He had them join together to combine their power, but he himself was the vessel, he was the one who harnessed the power and directed it.
Yeaaaah...no. Dxun and Onderon have naturally close orbits and referencing a retconned story does you no favors
Calling something retconned when it's not does you no favours. I could just be annoying too, and call DE retconned, since it contradicts the prophecy of the chosen one. Now please, stop repeating this just to be annoying, you know very well that by BotS, the atmospheres had been moving away from eachother for thousands of years, and were now too far apart for Bane to cross without nudging the atmospheres closer together.
And Kun's style'd be alien to Bane.
Kun was no Kas'im. The fact that he spent so little time creating the weapon and form itself points to the fact that it was probably pretty flawed overall, and the fact that he'd only about 6 months experience with it, where he mostly spent time studying sith magic, I'd say he most likely wasn't anything too special with it.
So would Luke's and Palpatine's.
Source, passage, quote, page number...
Doesn't Luke use the standard forms that he found contained in the archives on the Chu'unthor? And Palpatine uses Ataru does he not?
And wanking Sirak is likewise worthless....he was an apprentice. That's it. He was a strong apprentice, but an apprentice who never proved himself.
No he wasn't, have you not been reading my posts? He was easily on the level of a PT Jedi Master, don't be ridiculous.
1. He mastered multiple forms and switched up between them in combat.
2. He was so fast that he could move in blurs while fighting, which is beyond anything anyone can do in the movies. In other words, he was a quicker fighter than your precious PT Jedi.
3. Before Bane came along, he was so damn powerful that people thought that he may be the sith'ari. He was easily the top student, and for good reason.
4. Quordis believed that it wouldn't be too long at all until he surpassed all the masters, which includes Kaan, Kas'im, Kopekz, Quordis etc..
Face it, he's incredible.
The BoD was also weak at that point..."The Dark side is spread too thin!"
When was Qordis adept in saber combat, now?
It was weak in the sense that there was nobody in the order who excelled above the others, everyone was equal, and so, relatively speaking, nobody was exceptional. That's what Bane was getting at.
And Quordis was one of the top 3 Masters in the BoD, so it can be assumed he was pretty powerful, given how powerful people who were lesser than him were.
The orbalisks were never tested and there are gaps...his head's also a huge target. And Kun is good enough to exploit such
LOL, everything has to have been tested for them to pass your standards. Now please, they don't have to have been tested, they were directly stated to be completely resistant to the cutting power of anything; even a lightsaber, you know this.
The gaps are too small for a lightsaber to pass through.
Bane's head is a pretty small target in comparison to the entire 'mountain of muscle' that is his entire body, and it's slightly protected by a mask anyway. Now really, trying to downplay the protection that the orbalisks offer is ridiculous; it means that Bane need only worry about being physically harmed by the front of his face, so he can leave himself much more open, and focus much more on offense than defence. It also means that Kun actually has to aim to get his face, and limits the actions he would take.
And proof that Kun's above Bane without orbalisks? Didn't think so... And really, if you attempt to do so, good luck buddy! 👆
Just so you know, that would be proving that Kun was above someone who displayed speed so fast that he was able to move faster than the eyes of trained force users could see, so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for everyone else in the room. Yeah, that's the same guy that knew every move and sequence to the saber staff perfectly, and thus would wield it to the same effects as Kas'im.
As opposed to Kun mastering Sadow's power? Palpatine mastering all the knowledge of the Ancient Sith?
Knowledge is the one thing that they have over Bane, but really, considering how much Bane has, any more really wouldn't make any difference; he has more than he would ever need.
Since when? Qordis cut him off
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Menaing Palpatine would have all that and THEN SOME from Bane's holocron?
Knowledge is the one thing that they have over Bane, but really, considering how much Bane has, any more really wouldn't make any difference; he has more than he would ever need.
When, exactly?
And how does this make him special? Palpatine did the same thing...well before DE. Hell, Exar was accessing Vodo's holocron as an apprentice
In the comic All for you.
Again, I'm not arguing that Bane has more knowledge, but given how much he has, more knowledge wouldn't make a difference.
Retconned, sadly. As Nadd's holocron gave Bane the Rule of two, PoD retcons this effectively
You're a moron, it really doesn't. All that's retconned is that the ideas behind the Rule of Two was found in Nadd's holocron; not the holocron itself, or that Bane came across it. You would only be correct if Bane coming across Nadd's holocron was dependant on him finding the Rule of Two inside, and it's not.
Hardly. What you have given are incidental feats that have no comparison to what Exar did.
Bullshit, I've made a greater case for Bane than you could ever do for Kun. Bane is above both Exar and Sidious in pretty much every area. The only argument you have is that they had more knowledge, but it's irrelevant, as Bane has all the knowledge he would ever need, and more knowledge is simply unnecessary. Face it, Bane is firmly the most powerful sith ever. The only people more powerful are Kyp Durron, Luke Skywalker, and maybe Revan (as a jedi, not sith), and that doesn't change the fact that Bane is clearly going to surpass them all, given his age (26), and small amount of experience with the darkside, and force period, and the lightsaber (less than three years).
Anyways, aside from Sidious's vastly superior feats, we'll go with this nice quote - plucked from the Complete Visual Guide: "the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power."
1. It's funny how you run away whenever I ask you to post the entire passage. Yeah, I'm guessing there's more to the quote than you're letting on.
2. It's also funny how you only focus on the alternative I gave to the quote that you actually believe you can somewhat argue against, and completely ignore the other. Now please, the most logical explanation for the quote is that it's referring to his dedication to the darkside, and his willingness do do all that it too, and exactly what he must for it. It could also be referring to his hate, anger, and just exactly how evil he actually was.
3. Even if your way worked (it doesn't), it's simply contradicted by the movie's display of him, which is significantly below people such as Bane and Exar, as well as Revan and many more.
Originally posted by allfg
You're a moron, it really doesn't. All that's retconned is that the ideas behind the Rule of Two was found in Nadd's holocron; not the holocron itself, or that Bane came across it. You would only be correct if Bane coming across Nadd's holocron was dependant on him finding the Rule of Two inside, and it's not.
Bullshit, I've made a greater case for Bane than you could ever do for Kun. Bane is above both Exar and Sidious in pretty much every area. The only argument you have is that they had more knowledge, but it's irrelevant, as Bane has all the knowledge he would ever need, and more knowledge is simply unnecessary. Face it, Bane is firmly the most powerful sith ever. The only people more powerful are Kyp Durron, Luke Skywalker, and maybe Revan (as a jedi, not sith), and that doesn't change the fact that Bane is clearly going to surpass them all, given his age (26), and small amount of experience with the darkside, and force period, and the lightsaber (less than three years). [/B]
ROFL!!! I rest my case. Anytimeyour dumbass types, you've automatically made a case. Boy are YOU in denial. That's hilarious! Bane is above both Sidious and Kun AHAHAHAAH. Way to argue canon jackass. Bane is the most powerful sith ever? AHAHAHA. Man, youre right. You made a GREAT argument. I'm surprised you haven't been laughed off of here yet. I guess a permanent Ban would do that although I'm enjoying reading your crap right now..
Originally posted by allfg
That's not the point Lightsnake, and you know it. Kopekz was fully aware of the prophecy of the Sith'ari, the Sith'ari was said to be 'the ultimate sith', 'a perfect being', and said to have 'perfect strength, perfect power, perfect destiny'. The fact that Kopekz believed that Bane might have been the very Sith'ari with only the one conversation to base the deduction off of speaks for truly how strong Bane's presence was in the force; Kopekz hadn't seen any displays of the force from Bane, Bane hadn't been trained yet, the only thing he would have had to go on was how strong the force was in Bane.
We've already been through this Lightsnake, the BoD was damn impressive, which would make sense considering it was pretty much the most martial order of sith ever. However, to name a few:
1. Kas'im was basically the most technically gifted swordsman ever; he mastered every form, furthered and perfected them, and constantly kept his skills up and refined them.
2. Kaox Krul was a beast in combat if Darkness Shared is anything to go by; he was a sith legend, killed hundreds of jedi in his lifetime, and he inspired fear throughout the jedi ranks.
3. Seviss Vaa was so adept at sith alchemy that she was able to create a giant behemoth that could shoot giant energy beams out of its forehead.
And that's not even mentioning Kaan, Quordis and Kopekz (who were the top 3 sith for a reason), or the fact that a young Durge (that's right, the same guy who was on Anakin and Obi-Wan's aka the PT elites' level by Obsession) was nothing more than a minion for them; a nobody in comparison.
Maybe so, but he never displayed fear on the level he did when mention of Bane came up, or when face to face with him.
And Zannah was damn prodigious too...
And wow, so your using uber Chosen One level feats to try and downplay Bane's? Right, so because the fricking Chosen one basically did the same thing, it can't possibly be good.. 🙄
In terms of strength [b]in the darkside, yes it does. And really, weren't you arguing that Bane > Kun a while back?
The feat I'm referring to happens long before BotS... And it's only after having learnt the technique an hour beforeso. And it also takes place before his two most noteworthy power surges; when he gains Revan's holocron, and when he gains Nadd's. Face it, by BotS, he'd be able to replicate the feat with ten times the power and mastery in the very least, probably more like 20 times the power and mastery.
And you do realise that Sourcebook stats are N Canon, right? And Dooku was also a Master of Lightning, that doesn't mean that it was anywhere near Bane's level, because we can quite clearly see that it's not. Point is, simply being a master of lightning doesn't necessarily put his lightning on Bane, Revan or Palpatine's level.
1. Bane grew much more powerful after this point.
2. I'm not seeing how Luke's feat is any more impressive. Remember, the Rakatan Temple was 20 stories high, I doubt the castle Luke built was that big, but you see, I haven't read the Black Feat Trilogy, so how about supplying some passages.
Odan was 'old and weak' by his own admission. Quordis was young and powerful, and Bane owned him as easily as Exar did Odan.
Reading comprehension, much? I never said he was controlling them. He had them join together to combine their power, but he himself was the vessel, he was the one who harnessed the power and directed it.
Calling something retconned when it's not does you no favours. I could just be annoying too, and call DE retconned, since it contradicts the prophecy of the chosen one. Now please, stop repeating this just to be annoying, you know very well that by BotS, the atmospheres had been moving away from eachother for thousands of years, and were now too far apart for Bane to cross without nudging the atmospheres closer together.
Kun was no Kas'im. The fact that he spent so little time creating the weapon and form itself points to the fact that it was probably pretty flawed overall, and the fact that he'd only about 6 months experience with it, where he mostly spent time studying sith magic, I'd say he most likely wasn't anything too special with it.
Source, passage, quote, page number...
Doesn't Luke use the standard forms that he found contained in the archives on the Chu'unthor? And Palpatine uses Ataru does he not?
No he wasn't, have you not been reading my posts? He was easily on the level of a PT Jedi Master, don't be ridiculous.
1. He mastered multiple forms and switched up between them in combat.
2. He was so fast that he could move in blurs while fighting, which is beyond anything anyone can do in the movies. In other words, he was a quicker fighter than your precious PT Jedi.
3. Before Bane came along, he was so damn powerful that people thought that he may be the sith'ari. He was easily the top student, and for good reason.
4. Quordis believed that it wouldn't be too long at all until he surpassed all the masters, which includes Kaan, Kas'im, Kopekz, Quordis etc..
Face it, he's incredible.
It was weak in the sense that there was nobody in the order who excelled above the others, everyone was equal, and so, relatively speaking, nobody was exceptional. That's what Bane was getting at.
And Quordis was one of the top 3 Masters in the BoD, so it can be assumed he was pretty powerful, given how powerful people who were lesser than him were.
LOL, everything has to have been tested for them to pass your standards. Now please, they don't have to have been tested, they were directly stated to be completely resistant to the cutting power of anything; even a lightsaber, you know this.
The gaps are too small for a lightsaber to pass through.
Bane's head is a pretty small target in comparison to the entire 'mountain of muscle' that is his entire body, and it's slightly protected by a mask anyway. Now really, trying to downplay the protection that the orbalisks offer is ridiculous; it means that Bane need only worry about being physically harmed by the front of his face, so he can leave himself much more open, and focus much more on offense than defence. It also means that Kun actually has to aim to get his face, and limits the actions he would take.
And proof that Kun's above Bane without orbalisks? Didn't think so... And really, if you attempt to do so, good luck buddy! 👆
Just so you know, that would be proving that Kun was above someone who displayed speed so fast that he was able to move faster than the eyes of trained force users could see, so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for everyone else in the room. Yeah, that's the same guy that knew every move and sequence to the saber staff perfectly, and thus would wield it to the same effects as Kas'im.
Knowledge is the one thing that they have over Bane, but really, considering how much Bane has, any more really wouldn't make any difference; he has more than he would ever need.
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Knowledge is the one thing that they have over Bane, but really, considering how much Bane has, any more really wouldn't make any difference; he has more than he would ever need.
In the comic All for you.
Again, I'm not arguing that Bane has more knowledge, but given how much he has, more knowledge wouldn't make a difference. [/B]
Originally posted by allfg
You're a moron, it really doesn't. All that's retconned is that the ideas behind the Rule of Two was found in Nadd's holocron; not the holocron itself, or that Bane came across it. You would only be correct if Bane coming across Nadd's holocron was dependant on him finding the Rule of Two inside, and it's not.
Bullshit, I've made a greater case for Bane than you could ever do for Kun. Bane is above both Exar and Sidious in pretty much every area. The only argument you have is that they had more knowledge, but it's irrelevant, as Bane has all the knowledge he would ever need, and more knowledge is simply unnecessary. Face it, Bane is firmly the most powerful sith ever. The only people more powerful are Kyp Durron, Luke Skywalker, and maybe Revan (as a jedi, not sith), and that doesn't change the fact that Bane is clearly going to surpass them all, given his age (26), and small amount of experience with the darkside, and force period, and the lightsaber (less than three years).
Whoops, sorry! Nope! When Bane can kill three of the best swordsmen the Jedi Order ever produced, cover the massive distances of the Eclipse throneroom over and over again faster than the eye can see and be DIRECTLY CALLED STRONGER THAN BANE! (Heritage of the Sith, fanboy! "The culmination of power of the Sith Order."😉
The Dark Side Sourcebook! "Most powerful of these was Darth Sidious
NEC: Dan Wallace even confirmed he meant power int he force.
Bane's a high level Sith, but Palpatine effectively pwns his bug-infected ass.
and Bane's gonna surpass them all? It's funny that you think so, it really is. Luke's the strongest and he'll remain there.
Luke, Palpatine and quite a few others would kick Bane's sorry ass. Sorry if you're stupid to see that
Again: What an overweight Twi'lek thinks is of no value.
LOL, you're calling him uncredible because he's a bit chubby? 😆
Seriously speaking, Kopekz would have known about people like Sadow and Kun, he knows powerful sith, and he just so happened to believe Bane may be the Ultimate Sith based on just one conversation with the guy.
Palpatine fits the criteria just as much.
1. Is there something wrong with your brain? I wasn't arguing that Bane was the Sith'ari (though it's pretty obvious he is), reread my argument and hopefully you'll get it.
2. Palpatine doesn't fit. To prophecy of the sith'ari says that you would have had to be leading the sith, and then destroyed them, and through their destruction, make them stronger. Palpatine in no way fits.
Yeah, we have been and you're still as wrong
No, you're wrong. BTW, I'm loving the offensive PMs; your last one made me LOL!
Yet, he pales in comparison to Kun in raw power
So do most force users, with the exception of like ten or so. The fact is, he was damn powerful (beyond any PT jedi at least), and he wasn't even one of the top dogs.
Yet he was killed by an unimpressive Jedi master
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How was the Jedi Master unimpressive? And I'm guessing you need to reread Darkness Shared, he dies under similar circumstances to Darth Maul (like most darksiders do).
There's a word for this: Lying.
Seviss was pursuing the possibility...Seviss died before the Behemoth was created
Wrong!! I love how you accuse me of lying, yet each time, you couldn't be more wrong. Seviss Vaa did create the Behemoth, but had planned to make it more powerful, but didn't get to finish the project. It was an unfinished project. Had Seviss completed it (if not for the thought bomb), it may have likely been the most powerful of all the sith alchemical creations.
Same Qordis who gets his ass taken down by his apprentices?
Who? If you're referring to Bane, LOL!
Same 'cruel weakling coward' Kaan?
The same Kaan that was the leader of the BoD for a reason. I'll admit, he was a coward, but he was still damn powerful, and if you even try to dispute this, I'll just post the ten or so posts that you've made which say the exact same thing.
Oh, btw, you're a liar. Durge was not involved at Ruusan...the Sith wars he was involved in took place 500 years before, and then, he wasn't a 'minion.'...in fact, Durge himself pretty much says he was AGAINST the Sith!
Wrong!! He wasn't involved in the Final Battle of Ruusan, but he was a minion for the BoD, and he only turned against the sith after they had paid him for his service (he was a bounty hunter), presumably in a completely unrelated incident.
Mmmhmm. Whatever
That's right.
You're the one slinging around bane's awesome potential. Hell, an infant Luke drove off a Krayt dragon instinctively. So? Bane doing things at 18 is hardly that impressive-even killing a drunken miner
You do realise that you're using feats from the fricking Chosen One, and his son, to try and downplay Bane's, right? LOL, so if they did it, it can't have been anything special, right? And I'd like you to elaborate on the Luke thing too, btw.
Irrelevant entirely on both counts
How so, bozo?
BOTS takes place a very short time after Ruusan, do you NOT GET THIS?
LOL! [angry]YES, I GET THIS[/angry], but apparently you just don't get reading. Haven't quite grasped it, huh? Well read over what I said. In face, because I'm a nice guy, I'll post it again, for your benefit:
The feat I'm referring to happens long before BotS... And it's only after having learnt the technique an hour beforeso. And it also takes place before his two most noteworthy power surges; when he gains Revan's holocron, and when he gains Nadd's. Face it, by BotS, he'd be able to replicate the feat with ten times the power and mastery in the very least, probably more like 20 times the power and mastery.
And we've seen more impressive lightning conjured instinctively
The only superior displays we've seen, period, are from Sidious and Revan. But please, do tell what you're chatting about.
You do realize Kun is called a master of Force lightning...not part of his stats.
I'm actually really thinking that your reading comprehension may just be the worst on this entire forum. Again, for your benefit:
And Dooku was also a Master of Lightning, that doesn't mean that it was anywhere near Bane's level, because we can quite clearly see that it's not. Point is, simply being a master of lightning doesn't necessarily put his lightning on Bane, Revan or Palpatine's level.
1. So'd Luke
2. As you may've figured out: I hold you in nothing but contempt so I'm expending no effort for you. Look it up yourself.
The rakata Temple was two stories high, liar. Twenty meters. The Castle Luke destroyed was a massive fortress
1. You do realise I've never once argued that Luke > Bane, right> At least for now, anyway.
2. It's up to you to provide proof for your claims, Trousersnake. If you refuse to do so, you're as good as conceding the point, which works for me anyway.
3. Wrong, it was 20 feet high.
No, he said he was too old. And since when was Qordis 'young?' He must've been. And I'll take a 1000 year old Jedi over Qordis any day.
Hell, it's made out to be a point Qordis was a deluded weakling
He actually says 'old and weak'. And Quordis wasn't dying, at least, like Odan clearly was. And we've been through this before, Quordis was damn powerful.
1. He was head of the top BoD Academy, and one of the top 3 sith lords for a reason.
2. He was one of the few sith who wasn't entirely freaked by how powerful Bane was.
3. As a spirit, he as able to crash Bane's ship.
Quordis > an 'old and weak' Odan.
Yeah. So? Wow, Bastila must be better due to battle precog
Excuse me? This makes like zero sense, and is a pretty pathetic attempt at a rebuttal.
I'm sorry, but DE's STAYED in the continuity to direct reference. BotS has not. Sorry.
Whatever, the point is:
1. BotS is Canon.
2. When it contradicts with higher forms of canon, only said contradictions are rendered N Canon, everything else stays canon.
3. Nothing that I've used in any debate form BotS has ever contradicted a higher form of canon, so it goes, deal with it.
You're right: Kun was better. Kun was the most powerful of his time, for a reason.
His time was less impressive, and you do realise all the logic in the world points to Kas'im being a better swordsman than Kun, right>
Wow, and Bane had a year to study before he became your messiah. So?
Irrelevant, Bane didn't go off creating new fighting styles, which are much more demanding than anything Bane did.
Look it up yourself. What part of 'You're not worth the ****ing effort' haven't you understand?
Palpatine's a master of every form. Luke's also a master of several given by his descriptions alone
It's up to you to provide proof for your claims, Trousersnake. If you refuse to do so, you're as good as conceding the point, which works for me.
Translation: BECAUSE I SAY IT IS! WAAAAH!
Cute, and brilliant attempt at defeating my argument, buddy! 👆
Again, I'm loving the hate mail you've been sending, real clever.
Welcome to everyone and their mother of the PT Order
I can think of about 4. How about enlightening me?
Prove it. Bane's untrained eye means zilch at that point and the EU canon still has the Jedi moving much faster.
Dude, I'm not even a force sensitive, yet I could easily follow Yoda's as well as everyone of your precious PT jedi's movements in the films, aka the highest form of canon aka you lose; Sirak fights faster than Yoda.
AWWWWW! Is youtr fanboy ego bruised? Can;t except Sirak sucked to any trained Jedi?
In other words: Sirak blew.
LMAO! OK Trousersnake, how about comparing your posts to mine, and that saying that it's my ego that's bruised.
Wow, fawning apprentices' thoughts mean SO MUCH!
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Liar. The quote is "Perhaps in time he will surpass us. Perhaps not."
Whatever, there's still the fact that his potential being high enough for him to surpass all the masters under question speaks for quite a lot.
Just because you fantasize about him at night doesn't make it so
Yes it does! And again, how about you stop sending me insulting PMs, at first it was kinda funny, but now you're boring me.
So, comprised mainly of weaklings. Bane says this in PoD, remember?
Nope, because it's not true. And even if it was, Bane got to the stage where his standards were pretty much as high as it gets, it's like he expected every single apprentice to be as powerful as Revan; his biased views don't mean much in this regard.
Considering the BoD leader was described as a weak cruel coward, so what?
Refer to the above.
No. They haven't. A retconned story and Bane's thoughts, especially when Bane was killed dead by Jedi.....nope, sorry
It came form the Dark Side Soucebook actually. And BotS isn't retconned. And Bane was killed by jedi, news to me?
You keep thinking that
I will, because the DSSB backs me up on that.
Slightly protected? He wore that to keep the orbalisks off....so Bane is too focused on his face and can't fight then? Ok. that works
No, just no.
Kun extends his arm and blasts bane's head off his body. As Bane isn't to the level of the top tiers of Kun, Yoda, Mace, Luke, Palpatine, Kyp and Jacen, this'll kill him right off.
Right, because Bane's just going to leave his head exposed to a nice amulet blast. 🙄
Please... And Bane would beat anyone on that list, except for Luke and Kyp, don't be ridiculous.
Big effing deal here. Kun was fast enough to pace Ulic, who slaughtered a Sith warrior before he could react.
Kun and Ulic were fast, but not quite on Bane's level. And Ulic's like my third favorite character, I know his story inside out, I would know if he had 'slaughtered a sith warrior before he could react', so please don't lie.
Actually, knowledge makes a difference. Kun and Palpatine have the edge ther.e
And Palpatine would walk over Bane
Potential makes much bigger a difference, and Bane's is far above Sidious'.
Do you not know how to think?
"Big Deal."
Wow, nice save, I'm sure nobodies gonna notice how much of a dumbass you just were.
Keep thinking that
It's true; Yoda had like a hundred times more knowledge than Anakin, yet Anakin was still on his level. Why? P.O.T.E.N.T.I.A.L.
More lies
1. Even if that was incorrect, it would be a mistake, or error, not a lie.
2. It's correct.
Lies, lies, lies! And more lies!
Actually, Bane found the RoT in Nadd's holocron. This is retconned. Sorry.
You're a retard.
Whoops, sorry! Nope! When Bane can kill three of the best swordsmen the Jedi Order ever produced
On paper, this sounds nice. However, from the movies, aka the highest form of canon, the feat really wasn't impressive; Palpatine displayed minimal skill while doing it, and it made the jedi masters look terrible more than anything else.
cover the massive distances of the Eclipse throneroom over and over again faster than the eye can see
1. Elaborate.
2. Source?
3. Quote the passage and page number!
and be DIRECTLY CALLED STRONGER THAN BANE! (Heritage of the Sith, fanboy! "The culmination of power of the Sith Order."😉
The Dark Side Sourcebook! "Most powerful of these was Darth Sidious
NEC: Dan Wallace even confirmed he meant power int he force.
All have been proven inconclusive. I would argue each one, but this three page debate has kind of been taxing on my insane debating skillz (look gaylord Gideon, there's your chance to but in with a lame ass joke).
Even if these source were conclusive, and worked your way, they contradict the movies representation of Sidious, and are therefor not canon.
Bane's a high level Sith, but Palpatine effectively pwns his bug-infected ass.
Palpatine would never beat Bane. Storm of lightning = game over.
and Bane's gonna surpass them all? It's funny that you think so, it really is. Luke's the strongest and he'll remain there.
At Bane's age, neither Palpatine or Luke was on his level, and they had even more experience at the time. Bane will surpass them, get over it.
Luke, Palpatine and quite a few others would kick Bane's sorry ass. Sorry if you're stupid to see that
Nobody would kick his ass; Luke and possibly Kyp are the only people who would beat him, period.
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LOL, you're calling him uncredible because he's a bit chubby? 😆
Seriously speaking, Kopekz would have known about people like Sadow and Kun, he knows powerful sith, and he just so happened to believe Bane may be the Ultimate Sith based on just one conversation with the guy.
1. Is there something wrong with your brain? I wasn't arguing that Bane was the Sith'ari (though it's pretty obvious he is), reread my argument and hopefully you'll get it.2. Palpatine doesn't fit. To prophecy of the sith'ari says that you would have had to be leading the sith, and then destroyed them, and through their destruction, make them stronger. Palpatine in no way fits.p
No, you're wrong. BTW, I'm loving the offensive PMs; your last one made me [b]LOL!
So do most force users, with the exception of like ten or so. The fact is, he was damn powerful (beyond any PT jedi at least), and he wasn't even one of the top dogs.
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How was the Jedi Master unimpressive? And I'm guessing you need to reread Darkness Shared, he dies under similar circumstances to Darth Maul (like most darksiders do).
Wrong!! I love how you accuse me of lying, yet each time, you couldn't be more wrong. Seviss Vaa did create the Behemoth, but had planned to make it more powerful, but didn't get to finish the project. It was an unfinished project. Had Seviss completed it (if not for the thought bomb), it may have likely been the most powerful of all the sith alchemical creations.
Who? If you're referring to Bane, LOL!
The same Kaan that was the leader of the BoD for a reason. I'll admit, he was a coward, but he was still damn powerful, and if you even try to dispute this, I'll just post the ten or so posts that you've made which say the exact same thing.Wrong!! He wasn't involved in the Final Battle of Ruusan, but he was a minion for the BoD, and he only turned against the sith after they had paid him for his service (he was a bounty hunter), presumably in a completely unrelated incident.
That's right.
You do realise that you're using feats from the fricking Chosen One, and his son, to try and downplay Bane's, right? LOL, so if they did it, it can't have been anything special, right? And I'd like you to elaborate on the Luke thing too, btw.
How so, bozo?
LOL! [angry]YES, I GET THIS[/angry], but apparently you just don't get reading. Haven't quite grasped it, huh? Well read over what I said. In face, because I'm a nice guy, I'll post it again, for your benefit:
The feat I'm referring to happens long before BotS... And it's only after having learnt the technique an hour beforeso. And it also takes place before his two most noteworthy power surges; when he gains Revan's holocron, and when he gains Nadd's. Face it, by BotS, he'd be able to replicate the feat with ten times the power and mastery in the very least, probably more like 20 times the power and mastery.
The only superior displays we've seen, period, are from Sidious and Revan. But please, do tell what you're chatting about.
I'm actually really thinking that your reading comprehension may just be the worst on this entire forum. Again, for your benefit:
And Dooku was also a Master of Lightning, that doesn't mean that it was anywhere near Bane's level, because we can quite clearly see that it's not. Point is, simply being a master of lightning doesn't necessarily put his lightning on Bane, Revan or Palpatine's level.
1. You do realise I've never once argued that Luke > Bane, right> At least for now, anyway.
2. It's up to you to provide proof for your claims, Trousersnake. If you refuse to do so, you're as good as conceding the point, which works for me anyway.
3. Wrong, it was 20 feet high.
He actually says 'old and weak'. And Quordis wasn't dying, at least, like Odan clearly was. And we've been through this before, Quordis was damn powerful.
1. He was head of the top BoD Academy, and one of the top 3 sith lords for a reason.
2. He was one of the few sith who wasn't entirely freaked by how powerful Bane was.
3. As a spirit, he as able to crash Bane's ship.
Quordis > an 'old and weak' Odan.
Excuse me? This makes like zero sense, and is a pretty pathetic attempt at a rebuttal.
Whatever, the point is:
1. BotS is Canon.
2. When it contradicts with higher forms of canon, only said contradictions are rendered N Canon, everything else stays canon.
3. Nothing that I've used in any debate form BotS has ever contradicted a higher form of canon, so it goes, deal with it.His time was less impressive, and you do realise all the logic in the world points to Kas'im being a better swordsman than Kun, right>
Irrelevant, Bane didn't go off creating new fighting styles, which are much more demanding than anything Bane did.
It's up to you to provide proof for your claims, Trousersnake. If you refuse to do so, you're as good as conceding the point, which works for me.
Cute, and brilliant attempt at defeating my argument, buddy! 👆
Again, I'm loving the hate mail you've been sending, real clever.I can think of about 4. How about enlightening me?
Dude, I'm not even a force sensitive, yet I could easily follow Yoda's as well as everyone of your precious PT jedi's movements in the films, aka the highest form of canon aka you lose; Sirak fights faster than Yoda.
LMAO! OK Trousersnake, how about comparing your posts to mine, and that saying that it's my ego that's bruised.
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I'm not even bothering with the rest of this. I'll end this debate with these:
1. You are a liar and have been called on it.
2. Dark Side sourcebook calls Palpatine the most powerful Sith of Bane's order
3. Heritage of the Sith calls him the most powerful in millenia
4. Databank calls him most powerful of modern times.
5. NEC calls him the most powerful in history as of ROTS
6. I could go on. You're just not worth it
I'll sum this up with two words: You lose