"Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."
- Page 72 of the Complete Visual Guide (which is the first page of the Attack of the Clones section begins).
Again, to get power from that is pretty narrow minded, it was most likely in respect to a mixture of his dedication to the darkside, and his plans he had already set in motion, and doing what it takes for the darkside to prevail. And again, even if it was absolute and went your way, it contradicts how the movies displays Sidious, and is thus invalid. Either way, you're never gonna win the debate if you take this route, there are just too many flaws in it.
Originally posted by allfg
Hey, Darth Sex Pest, I've beaten you like a gazillion times, so how about you either offer an argument, or go back to your online marketing.
If by beating me you mean you've been verbally pwned in every debate you've ever had with me or anybody else, then you're correct. Your constant denial makes you look even more stupid.
LMAO!! 😆
Are you done? It seems like you fail at everything you do here TD; you get in a debate...and lose. You insult someone...and then get told, bad. Really now Darth Sex Pest, how about at least trying to win at something. It's pretty clear that that something isn't a debate or an argument, but I'm sure if you keep trying, you'll find something where you're not a loser.
Originally posted by allfg
LMAO!! 😆
Are you done? It seems like you fail at everything you do here TD; you get in a debate...and lose. You insult someone...and then get told, bad. Really now Darth Sex Pest, how about at least trying to win at something. It's pretty clear that that something isn't a debate or an argument, but I'm sure if you keep trying, you'll find something where you're not a loser.
And here we have another case of Noobaris in denial. It's sad when you're the only one who thinks he can outdebate somebody, or even debate in the first place. Denial is for the antisocial as you already know. But please, keep trying to analyze my posts with your best attempts at psuedo intellectualism, you're just getting dumber and dumber. I think we've all had enough laughs at your expense, you're a funny, yet retarded child.
Btw, for reality to exist in your life, someone OTHER than yourself has to acknowledge it, but I figure denial is all you have that's stopping you from falling on the sword.
Well, before we begin, I'd like to point out that the quote does and that it does nothing but further my point of Sidious's superiority. I told you that you'd end up looking like an even bigger jackass by calling me out on it. Guess what? You did, and I was right. But, me being right really isn't anything that you're not used to already. 😎
Again, to get power from that is pretty narrow minded,
Don't lecture anyone about being narrow minded, Noobaris. Your singular attempt to write it off as "dedication" or "accomplishments" is very much narrow minded.
it was most likely in respect to a mixture of his dedication to the darkside, and his plans he had already set in motion, and doing what it takes for the darkside to prevail.
This is not the case; in order for you to pass it off as "dedication", you must provide proof. You haven't. Instead, all you have done is simply whined about it and declared it such because it doesn't fit in with your delusional idea that "Bane is teh uber!"
Furthermore, prove that it speaks for his "accomplishments", especially when they were set in the future - which isn't (as far as the narrative is concerned) set in stone. The quote was made during AotC, and Sidious's great achievements were not executed by that time. In fact, his major moves were made shortly before - and during - Revenge of the Sith, which is more than three years later in the continuity.
And again, even if it was absolute and went your way, it contradicts how the movies displays Sidious, and is thus invalid. Either way, you're never gonna win the debate if you take this route, there are just too many flaws in it.
No, the quote is not invalid. It speaks of Sidious's power and strength in the dark side, which makes sense, considering (according to the Complete Visual Guide - RotS) "the Sith have waited a millenium for the one born with the power to bring them out of hiding: Sidious is that one."
Notice how a millenium, which, chronology, brings it back to Bane's time. Bane was not "born with the power" to bring the Sith out of hiding. Nor is it a reference to Sidious's political power, as he was not born with it.
My version stands, and yours fails. This discussion is over until you can come up with something that hasn't already been crushed (see "accomplishments + "dedication"😉. Any insults or continuation of the topic can be considered spam, which you will be reported for.
Originally posted by Gideon
Well, before we begin, I'd like to point out that the quote does and that it does nothing but further my point of Sidious's superiority. I told you that you'd end up looking like an even bigger jackass by calling me out on it. Guess what? You did, and I was right. But, me being right really isn't anything that you're not used to already. 😎Don't lecture anyone about being narrow minded, Noobaris. Your singular attempt to write it off as "dedication" or "accomplishments" is very much narrow minded.
This is not the case; in order for you to pass it off as "dedication", you must provide proof. You haven't. Instead, all you have done is simply whined about it and declared it such because it doesn't fit in with your delusional idea that "Bane is teh uber!"
Furthermore, prove that it speaks for his "accomplishments", especially when they were set in the future - which isn't (as far as the narrative is concerned) [B]set in stone
. The quote was made during AotC, and Sidious's great achievements were not executed by that time. In fact, his major moves were made shortly before - and during - Revenge of the Sith, which is more than three years later in the continuity.No, the quote is not invalid. It speaks of Sidious's power and strength in the dark side, which makes sense, considering (according to the Complete Visual Guide - RotS) "the Sith have waited a millenium for the one born with the power to bring them out of hiding: Sidious is that one."
Notice how a millenium, which, chronology, brings it back to Bane's time. Bane was not "born with the power" to bring the Sith out of hiding. Nor is it a reference to Sidious's political power, as he was not born with it.
My version stands, and yours fails. This discussion is over until you can come up with something that hasn't already been crushed (see "accomplishments + "dedication"😉. Any insults or continuation of the topic can be considered spam, which you will be reported for. [/B]
Pwnage.
Gideon, because I can't be bothered to continue this argument,
*Not that I believe that there is actually a single absolute quote declaring any incarnation of Palpatine as the most powerful sith ever up until his time, I'll work under the assumption that there is, purely for the sake of argument.The EU has sith displaying much more power than Sidious does in the movies, and we can quite clearly see the upper limit of Sidious' power when he fails to overpower Yoda at the end. Yet these different reference guides declare Palpatine the most powerful sith ever, even during the fricking PT period. So clearly there is a contradiction here; the movies are the highest form of canon, and so there are two ways of looking at it.
1. The EU material that has other sith clearly being more powerful than PT Sidious contradicts the idea that Sidious was the most powerful up until his time, and so contradicting aspects inside said material is rendered N Canon.
2. The different reference guides that detail PT Palpatine as being the most powerful sith ever contradicts the movie's display of Sidious in comparison to displays of earlier sith lords, and thus contradictory aspects inside these reference guides are rendered N Canon.
IN-STORY source material takes precedence over reference guide material, and so route 2 is the correct option to take. In other words, these 'canon' quotes are clearly just wrong, and can't be used in debates.
BTW, wonderful input Anomaly!
hah you failed noobaris. you just surpassed what numan has done, hes a 10 year old kid so its excusable of what he was doing, you on the other hand is either a teenager or worse an adult which makes you look even worse than numan could ever be
i got one advice and if you listen. you will be sucessful: GROW UP