Wonderwoman Vs. Silver Surfer

Sufer wins 9/10 with no magical amping and extra weapons. Diana wins 7/10 as this thread stated. Too many uber powerful artifacts to just over look. And surfer's speed and transmutation isn't a factor. He has never transmuted a being nigh resistant to transmutation and he has shown time and again a being with sufficiant strength and invulnerability puts him down. Gauntlets of Atlas anyone? The Sandles of hermes grant the wearer some degree of speed boost. to which I do not know. But I know that Wonder girl with them was able to keep up with Diana and had reflexes on par with her speed. Diana wearing the sandles should be faster tho I dont 'know that i have seen her use them in combat. But to give surfer the victory over such a heavily armed superior fighter is rediculous. That is like saying Surfer owns WM Thor. NOT

Surfer has transmuted a living being before from plasma clouds or dust clouds to organic being; I think it was Ghaur an Eternal even w/ his celestial given powers couldnt put himself back into his normal form, SS took only a few seconds to change him back.. That being said he is quite capable of tranmuting any organic form to anything he so chooses, reason he does not do so is mainly because of his pacifist nature..

There's been plenty of scan presented in her thread showing SS FTL speed and reflexes, i dont see why you people disregarding does feats and yet i see none of WW showing he could possibly go above SS, everything that is presented regarding WW is speculation therefore is irrelevant..

As i said godwave is the only threat to Surfer in this fight and WW is not casting this at speed of light, Even when she protects her self w/ Aegis sheild while casting Surfer could as easyly use CA to see future events and see the exact time she gets exhausted in her used of godwave either via physical amp or blast which Surfer can dodge via dimensional hop and then returns after shes fully exhausted and take it from there..
Ive not seen WW track dimensional energy, analyse then traverse it in the exact dimension so following Surfer in that dimension is highly unlikely.. Surfer on the other hand can, wherever she goes he can fallow..

Originally posted by Roldz
Surfer has transmuted a living being before from plasma clouds or dust clouds to organic being; I think it was Ghaur an Eternal even w/ his celestial given powers couldnt put himself back into his normal form, SS took only a few seconds to change him back.. That being said he is quite capable of tranmuting any organic form to anything he so chooses, reason he does not do so is mainly because of his pacifist nature..

There's been plenty of scan presented in her thread showing SS FTL speed and reflexes, i dont see why you people disregarding does feats and yet i see none of WW showing he could possibly go above SS, everything that is presented regarding WW is speculation therefore is irrelevant..

As i said godwave is the only threat to Surfer in this fight and WW is not casting this at speed of light, Even when she protects her self w/ Aegis sheild while casting Surfer could as easyly use CA to see future events and see the exact time she gets exhausted in her used of godwave either via physical amp or blast which Surfer can dodge via dimensional hop and then returns after shes fully exhausted and take it from there..
Ive not seen WW track dimensional energy, analyse then traverse it in the exact dimension so following Surfer in that dimension is highly unlikely.. Surfer on the other hand can, wherever she goes he can fallow..

Your entire argument has nothing to do with anything. First off, When has surfer transmuted a being Who is nigh resistant to transmutation? That is the first thing. 2ndly, all of this seeing the future bull crap and him going into other dimensions is silly. the minute he steps out of the dimenstion, he has removed himself from the battle and loses. Of course we are speculation about diana becuz she has never had all of these weapons and power ups in one story. We are also speculating about the surfer in a bloodlusted mode becuz he NEVER has been in one.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your entire argument has nothing to do with anything. First off, When has surfer transmuted a being Who is nigh resistant to transmutation? That is the first thing. 2ndly, all of this seeing the future bull crap and him going into other dimensions is silly. the minute he steps out of the dimenstion, he has removed himself from the battle and loses. Of course we are speculation about diana becuz she has never had all of these weapons and power ups in one story. We are also speculating about the surfer in a bloodlusted mode becuz he NEVER has been in one.

Surfer has never transmuted some one who is nigh immune to transmutation and matter manipulation.

The only living beings he has manipulated in his entire comic career have been those who had no ability to resist.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your entire argument has nothing to do with anything. First off, When has surfer transmuted a being Who is nigh resistant to transmutation? That is the first thing. 2ndly, all of this seeing the future bull crap and him going into other dimensions is silly. the minute he steps out of the dimenstion, he has removed himself from the battle and loses. Of course we are speculation about diana becuz she has never had all of these weapons and power ups in one story. We are also speculating about the surfer in a bloodlusted mode becuz he NEVER has been in one.

SS has encased Spiderman and DD in a "solid form" energy field and prevented them from doing anything.

Even if he didn't transmute WW he could use the molecules all around her.

Originally posted by Soleran
SS has encased Spiderman and DD in a "solid form" energy field and prevented them from doing anything.

Even if he didn't transmute WW he could use the molecules all around her.

Are you serious? Spiderman and DD are no where near as strong as WW. WW was able to break out of quasar's contruct. And in this thread she has the gauntlet of atlas and the God wave.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Are you serious? Spiderman and DD are no where near as strong as WW. WW was able to break out of quasar's contruct. And in this thread she has the gauntlet of atlas and the God wave.

What has strength got to do against a guy that controls energy so well he can form solid contrsucts and such and manipulate matter all around her?

I also have yet to read anything credible about the "godwave" for proof as of yet in this thread.

So once again she's super strong, great, thats not going to get a majority of victories over SS.

Originally posted by Soleran
What has strength got to do against a guy that controls energy so well he can form solid contrsucts and such and manipulate matter all around her?

I also have yet to read anything credible about the "godwave" for proof as of yet in this thread.

So once again she's super strong, great, thats going to get a victory over SS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Quasar is a better energy manip than surfer and he was unable to break the contruct.

Seriously, where did you get this information from? I have debated with you ANY number of times about Quasar and his feats and such vs DC folks. SS has more powers under his belt then Quasar and if you want to use crossovers keep that in mind next time you throw kyle in the mix Wonderman broke his constructs.

GL"s can do everything the surfer can do and superman has broken out of thier contructs as well. If you dont' know about the godwave, well then i'm sorry you prolly won't move on your opinion which is fine. Surfer isn't hurting a being ten times stronger than diana with such a big arsenal of weapons. his speed will only mean he can run away that much faster.

Once again I ask you, what does Diana's strength have to do with Surfer at ALL? Only her weapons POSSIBLY pose a threat to him, without those she's trumped. So you have to base your ENTIRE discussion on HOPES that her weapons can hurt SS, cuz she isn't doing jack otherwise.

Originally posted by Soleran
Seriously, where did you get this information from? I have debated with you ANY number of times about Quasar and his feats and such vs DC folks. SS has more powers under his belt then Quasar and if you want to use crossovers keep that in mind next time you throw kyle in the mix Wonderman broke his constructs.

Once again I ask you, what does Diana's strength have to do with Surfer at ALL? Only her weapons [b]POSSIBLY pose a threat to him, without those she's trumped. So you have to base your ENTIRE discussion on HOPES that her weapons can hurt SS, cuz she isn't doing jack otherwise. [/B]

Did you bother to read the OP? At all?

Originally posted by Board Walker
She has all her weapons, items, and gear, she also has access to the godwave, she just has to use it if she wants.

She is at full power, and both are blood lusted.

Full power Diana is the Goddess of Truth. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

Yup, thanks for asking twice now.

And once again I am telling you, prove that Diana's weapons can hurt SS, everything else is a wash at least for me at the moment.

What if SS forms Adamantium in her lungs and throat from the air in there? I'm just throwing this out there of course.

Originally posted by Soleran
Yup, thanks for asking twice now.

And once again I am telling you, prove that Diana's weapons can hurt SS, everything else is a wash at least for me at the moment.

What if SS forms Adamantium in her lungs and throat from the air in there? I'm just throwing this out there of course.

What if Bubbles were pink and elephants coudl fly. Surfer HAS NEVER done such. Characters who are resistant to matter manip are also shown as resistant to manip of things inside them. The barrier of her MYSTICAL Flesh wich is enchanted would be blocking him transmuting anything on the inside of her. Also anyone with good sense knows that surfer has been knocked around by beings with uber strength. Diana with the gauntlet has such uber strength. and Her lasso quite nicely takes surfer out. as does a solid god wave smash to the skull or a sipe of the sword of hephestious. Surfer's best bet is to fire from a distance. and even then, she would just block his blast or be resistant to them as her invulnerability would be increased by the guantlet and the battle armor. or she just crosses her bracelets. Any of these make this match a stalemate. He's to fast for her to catch and her reaction times are to fast for him to get in close.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What if Bubbles were pink and elephants coudl fly. Surfer HAS NEVER done such. Characters who are resistant to matter manip are also shown as resistant to manip of things inside them. .

That's funny you say that because frankly I am not buying it, that's just your hoping that it's true.

If SS manipulates the AIR inside Diana that has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Diana herself unless of course you are saying Diana can control the air molecules around her and in her mouth, nose and lungs, which of course is assinine.

Surfer has done things that would show he has the ability to alter those molecules he doesn't do blood lust and in this thread he does so he can do what I said he has shown the ability to control molecules like that.

what's the Godwave going to do against The Surfer exactly?
what is the "plan" that WW has, in terms of combating The Silver Surfer?

I'd imagine the second he went intangible, she'd be screwed. don't think she can deal with the sort of forces he can throw at her. he could, and probably would, just wear her out by moving around and phasing into and out of tangible states (whilst blasting her continuously).

he destroys planets on a whim, just to teach someone a lesson, of he's going to be emanating astounding levels of power from the off, WW's going to be on the defensive... nothing she can do except get worm down and smacked down.

In a fanboys mind, the person they like is amped up by 100 and gets to "shoot" first. Their character is also only gauged by high showings. The person who they think should lose just sits there and takes the abuse while their powers are made null and void. This character is only gauged by their lowest showings.

Originally posted by Badabing
In a fanboys mind, the person they like is amped up by 100 and gets to "shoot" first. Their character is also only gauged by high showings. The person who they think should lose just sits there and takes the abuse while their powers are made null and void. This character is only gauged by their lowest showings.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Quasar is a better energy manip than surfer

Um... no. Better at absorbing energy, yeah I will buy that, but I don't see how he is better at matter manipulation. SS has feats that are way above Q. Q's constructs are more documented, but mean nothing to SS. He doesn't break them, he just undoes them. Also I consider his energy transfers, and creating lift a higher heat than Q has shown. He has way more "manipulation feats."

Note I don't think SS will be manipulating WW at all, but I dispute your claim that Q is better.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Surfer has never transmuted some one who is nigh immune to transmutation and matter manipulation.

The only living beings he has manipulated in his entire comic career have been those who had no ability to resist.

I can't believe we are still arguing about this.

SS isn't going to manipulate WW with all this gear. (I am agreeing with you BW).

This has been debated way too much. SS isn't going to turn the air in her lungs into adamantium or anything of the like. Same way WW isn't just going to pop out of nowhere and cut him in half.

I think SS can turn people into crazy things, he told the Hulk he could and I believe him, but hulk has no magical protection.

Originally posted by The Libertine
You actually don't know that, as the power cosmic works in a different way it's one of those unarguable things, to my knowledge the Surfers never failed at transmutation and Diana has been transmuted. Circe is not Skyfather she is a pantheon god. Wonderwoman was changed into a Gorilla precrisis by the king of the Space Gorillas and wonder woman has been aged post crisis that's a kind of transmutation. One the surfer could do despite her supposed eternal youth.

Last but not least, the burden of proof is always on the one to show that so and so can happen. If they can't then so and so can't happen. And you haven't proved that SS can transmute her (even if she decides not to block or dodge that attack).
precrisis don't count.