Originally posted by Priestwhich can probally be manipulated/transmutted.
This can't happen. Her items/gear are all magical in nature and beyond anything Norrin can do/comprehend.
Nonetheless, Diana is not beating SS. Speed, like in sports and with drugs, simply kills.
This is the single most important element why Diana can't hang in this fight. Add to that SS's range, and it's really too much for her to overcome.😬
Originally posted by BobbyD
This can't happen. Her items/gear are all magical in nature and beyond anything Norrin can do/comprehend.Nonetheless, Diana is not beating SS. Speed, like in sports and with drugs, simply kills.
This is the single most important element why Diana can't hang in this fight. Add to that SS's range, and it's really too much for her to overcome.😬
I agree her downfall is speed and distance, which is why I gave her all her items, which one of them is the sandals of Hermes, with these she has instant transdimensional movement, and teliportation, think of the runner and SS fight.
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
I am confused how this is comparable to the runner fight. The runner's power is pretty serious, but he also has the advantage that people naturally like him, and so they don't want to hurt him or take him seriously.
Yes he has some serious power, as does Diana, you seem to be underestimating Dianas items, they are made by highfathers (which to marvel would be skyfathers, think of Odin with all the pantheons working together to forge items), as well as abstract level beings.
She has instant teliportation which regardless of how fast SS moves, she will always be faster. I related it to the runner because that is how the runner moves, only he did it subconsciously, Diana can do it consciously.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I agree her downfall is speed and distance, which is why I gave her all her items, which one of them is the sandals of Hermes, with these she has instant transdimensional movement, and teliportation, think of the runner and SS fight.
I still don't see the comparison to the runner fight, maybe I am not remembering it correctly. The runner did not have the gem, and therefore didn't have any teleportation during the fight.
Also, I honestly don't know if WW can see light years away, or be aware of where SS is. Can she (asking an honest question)??
[QUOTE=8293131]Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
I still don't see the comparison to the runner fight, maybe I am not remembering it correctly. The runner did not have the gem, and therefore didn't have any teleportation during the fight.
Also, I honestly don't know if WW can see light years away, or be aware of where SS is. Can she (asking an honest question)?? [/QUOTE
As far as I know, she does have awareness (how powerful it is I do not know) reaction speed isnt a problem though. I really never looked for those things, I'll try to find some.
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
I still don't see the comparison to the runner fight, maybe I am not remembering it correctly. The runner did not have the gem, and therefore didn't have any teleportation during the fight.Also, I honestly don't know if WW can see light years away, or be aware of where SS is. Can she (asking an honest question)??
He did have the gem by the way, thanos explains the runner was using it sub consciously.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Yes he has some serious power, as does Diana, you seem to be underestimating Dianas items, they are made by highfathers (which to marvel would be skyfathers, think of Odin with all the pantheons working together to forge items), as well as abstract level beings.She has instant teliportation which regardless of how fast SS moves, she will always be faster. I related it to the runner because that is how the runner moves, only he did it subconsciously, Diana can do it consciously.
The runner didn't do this in his fight with SS did he? He was subconsciously doing it when he had the space gem, like his fight with Thanos, but did he still have it with SS? I don't think he did, and he didn't seem to be teleporting anywhere.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I agree her downfall is speed and distance, which is why I gave her all her items, which one of them is the sandals of Hermes, with these she has instant transdimensional movement, and teliportation, think of the runner and SS fight.
BW, I like you. You're intelligent, write well, and are very passionate, and about a character I like, no less. But no, she is not.....not beating SS. If she can, my universe of comicdom as I know it, will be turned upside down.
But for argument's sake (because I like a good debate), let's give her the benefit of the doubt that the Sandals of Hermes gives the powers you said above, which I'm still not so sure they do. But, even so, she needs to blink herself back into the same dimension SS is, to get a shot off of some kind, and within relative close proximity. All Norrin needs is that split second for to appear, and he is on top of her like a cheap suit on a pimp. Result: Several bloodlusted PC blasts have struck her already before she has even fully appeared in his presence.
Originally posted by Board Walker
[QUOTE=8293131]Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
[B]I still don't see the comparison to the runner fight, maybe I am not remembering it correctly. The runner did not have the gem, and therefore didn't have any teleportation during the fight.Also, I honestly don't know if WW can see light years away, or be aware of where SS is. Can she (asking an honest question)??
[/QUOTEAs far as I know, she does have awareness (how powerful it is I do not know) reaction speed isnt a problem though. I really never looked for those things, I'll try to find some. [/B]
I was honestly just thinking that SS's sight (he can see and hear light years away) and his cosmic awareness will provide a hige advantage. He would always know where she was, and she would not know where he was. This is why I was saying that if it happened on Earth it would be a different story.
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
The runner didn't do this in his fight with SS did he? He was subconsciously doing it when he had the space gem, like his fight with Thanos, but did he still have it with SS? I don't think he did, and he didn't seem to be teleporting anywhere.
Why wouldn't the runner have the gem? The fight with SS occurred before he met Thanos.
Originally posted by BobbyD
BW, I like you. You're intelligent, write well, and are very passionate, and about a character I like, no less. But no, she is not.....not beating SS. If she can, my universe of comicdom as I know it, will be turned upside down.But for argument's sake (because I like a good debate), let's give her the benefit of the doubt that the Sandals of Hermes gives the powers you said above, which I'm still not so sure they do. But, even so, she needs to blink herself back into the same dimension SS is, to get a shot off of some kind, and within relative close proximity. All Norrin needs is that split second for to appear, and he is on top of her like a cheap suit on a pimp. Result: Several bloodlusted PC blasts have struck her already before she has even fully appeared in his presence.
She should only be stepping in and out of the dimension to dodge attacks, she does it instantly so I don't see how its a problem, she should be using her instant teliportation which doesnt leave a opening for SS to attack her.
Originally posted by Board Walker
She should only be stepping in and out of the dimension to dodge attacks, she does it instantly so I don't see how its a problem, she should be using her instant teliportation which doesnt leave a opening for SS to attack her.
But, this by no means then gives her a win either. 😬
And, if she was this powerful, we'd have seen her like this already in some comics, no?
You make a good argument, but (reluctantly) I will agree to disagree with you, my friend. 😉
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
I was honestly just thinking that SS's sight (he can see and hear light years away) and his cosmic awareness will provide a hige advantage. He would always know where she was, and she would not know where he was. This is why I was saying that if it happened on Earth it would be a different story.
Well to be honest, regardless of how powerful his cosmic awareness is said to be, throughout all his comic showings his "cosmic awareness" has never once helped him to know what the opponent will do next in major battles, such as against Thor, or dr. Strange, or Thanos.
So really going by on panel showings, he is not going to know what WW is going to do next, it is like me saying "Because of SS cosmic awareness, he will know what Thor is going to do so he can just beat him easily, yet in every encounter with Thor, SS has lost."
This is just one of many examples.
Originally posted by Board Walker
She should only be stepping in and out of the dimension to dodge attacks, she does it instantly so I don't see how its a problem, she should be using her instant teliportation which doesnt leave a opening for SS to attack her.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Supes doesn't have the strength SS does?
Originally posted by Board Walker
He surpasses SS in terms of strength feats, he turned the wheels of Mag.
Originally posted by Board Walker
She doesn't need to hide behind her bracelets, with her reactionspeed and the sandals which gives her instant transdimensional travel and teliportation, she can just cross her bracelets to block his attacks, akin to using a shield when ever she wants to; I dont even see SS hitting her if she does this.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Their both blood lusted meaning their fighting to win, she is going to do what she needs to do to win.
Originally posted by Board Walker
With her items she doesn't have the durability of supes?...your joking right?
Originally posted by Board Walker
SS has as much of a chance as transmuting diana and her items, as he does as transmuting Thor and Mjolnir.
Originally posted by BobbyD
But, this by no means then gives her a win either. 😬And, if she was this powerful, we'd have seen her like this already in some comics, no?
You make a good argument, but (reluctantly) I will agree to disagree with you, my friend. 😉
It is the same as saying, since we have never seen SS turn a major comic character into a block cheese, then he cant do it. It is the same as saying since SS has never speed blitzed a main character, he cant do it.
WW has shown with the sandals she has instant teliportation as well as dimensional travel.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Well to be honest, regardless of how powerful his cosmic awareness is said to be, throughout all his comic showings his "cosmic awareness" has never once helped him to know what the opponent will do next in major battles, such as against Thor, or dr. Strange, or Thanos.So really going by on panel showings, he is not going to know what WW is going to do next, it is like me saying "Because of SS cosmic awareness, he will know what Thor is going to do so he can just beat him easily, yet in every encounter with Thor, SS has lost."
This is just one of many examples.
I didn't mean that he would have some sort of pre-cog. I did however mean that he would be able to determine where she was at all times. The addition of Sandals changes things, and makes it harder to detemine how things will end up.
All together this ended up being an interesting debate, good thread, sorry if I was rude earlier. I have to head out.
Originally posted by Board Walker
It is the same as saying, since we have never seen SS turn a major comic character into a block cheese, then he cant do it. It is the same as saying since SS has never speed blitzed a main character, he cant do it.WW has shown with the sandals she has instant teliportation as well as dimensional travel.
Well, then the only way for her to really WIN this fight is her for not to blink herself in and out of dimensions. The only way she can get a win is for her to get up close n' personal, and Diana is not afraid to brawl with ANYONE.
This is her downfall in this fight. If she truly bloodlusted, I don't see Diana playing a houdini in and out of dimensions.
I see her like Ali getting ready to fight Foreman.