Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If I were Straight, I would have no respect for your religion or Islam, then I do now.
Well that's not very nice.
Do you go out at night and tag graffiti on churches and mosques just to make a statement?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
BTW....If there were a religion which condemned Mexicans, simply because they were dark, short, and fat...you'd be the first to jump on that sh*t.
😂 The mere notion of that is absurd and laughable. Like there would ever be a religion like that.
You keep bringing up your little hypothetical "anti-Mexican religion" as if thats supposed to make me feel for you.
And besides, I don't play what if; I play what is.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
so even if Homosexuality [b]was the only reason I disliked Christianity and Islam, it would still be valid. [/B]
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Originally posted by Quiero Mota
The mere notion of that is absurd and laughable. Like there would ever be a religion like that.
Christianity comes to mind, espeically prior to the conquest.
Chirstianity condems a whole heck of a lot. I see Urizen's POV from a different perspective, an athiest.
Christians condemn a hole heck of a lot for no reason. Imagine sometime how you would feel.
What if a man attacked you, shoved you out of his house and barred you from dating his daughter because he found out you were an athiest?
Yeah, well shit like that happens from Christians, so don't be so snyde and reject other peoples grievances or believe that it hasn't happend or wont happen to you. I always thought minorities would be more sensitive to this type of stuff. I guess its just something I misjudged about people.
Originally posted by TRH
Suicide bombs in Iraq
Ummm.... if that was the case wouldn't everyone in Iraq be dead? And of course it is notable that the majority of those suicide bombers are part of an insurgency, prior to the Invasion Iraq was not a suicide bomber hot spot. In fact way back Iraq, with Saddam at the head, got on quite well with the west and the US.
After all you will notice it is civilians that are getting killed in secular violance. I haven't even heard pro-war supporters at their height claiming everyone in Iraq is a suicide bomber. Probably because even they would consider is stupid.
we attacked Afghanistan because you idiot Muslims screwed your selves by hijacking planes and flying into buildings you imbacile,and Iraq because Pres is on a rampage because of you people,so deal with it,there is no oil in afganastan anyway
Of course you didn't attack Saudi Arabia, which has a history of funding and providing bodies for terrorist causes, relevant since a good portion of the 9/11 hijackers were from that nation.
Of course you didn't stick in Afghanistan to finish, and now there is apparently a resurgent Al Qaeda and Taliban who have grown fat on new recruits created by anger over such things.
Of course you didn't attack Pakistan, upon whose barely controlled mountainous borders Al Qaeda and the Taliban gathering its strength, reorganising in what is essentially a safe haven.
And of course you attacked Iraq because your "Prez is on a rampage because of you people" - well, that makes sense. Considering Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Where next - will the US be attacking Turkey? Indonesia? I mean, if it is all the fault of Muslims Bush is invading nations that had nothing to do with 9/11 then no one is safe.
Afghanistan actually made sense. Trying to blame Iraq on Muslims is as absurd as some of the things Muslims have said in this thread, or certain Christians have said in other threads.
The mere notion of that is absurd and laughable. Like there would ever be a religion like that.You keep bringing up your little hypothetical "anti-Mexican religion" as if thats supposed to make me feel for you.
Why is it absurd? Are you saying no religion has never hated a race of people? A culture? That its deity would be anti-whoever?
Do this seem familiar?
"Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.
But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:"
It should, being Deuteronomy, Chapter 20. For some reason when I read that, the fact God apparently was very much anti-Hittitie and Amorite and Canaanite and so on, well, I find it more then believable that a religion could end up Anti-Mexican. But then it is possible advocacy to commit genocide on the orders of a God just puts me in a bad frame of mind.
Tell me - why were the people condemned?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Well that's not very nice.
Being nice is not my intention, I would find it fake for me to be nice to a hypocritical and intolerant force such as Conservative Christianity....or Islam.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Do you go out at night and tag graffiti on churches and mosques just to make a statement?
No, because I'm not like you or they. Unlike you guys, i dont attack people or try to oppress anyone. I don't play prejudice here and there...I simply state when I don't like something.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
😂 The mere notion of that is absurd and laughable. Like there would ever be a religion like that.
There is you ****ing moron....
Islam kills people for being Gay...Islam cuts off the hands of theives...Shiites and Sunnis slaughter each other over culture, land, and practice.
Christianity encouraged the near extermination of Native Americans for their refusal to convert, as well as justify slavery for Africans because they were "black as sin"
You think this is a joke, don't you ?
This is true history...open ur fkn eyes.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You keep bringing up your little hypothetical "anti-Mexican religion" as if thats supposed to make me feel for you.
I couldn't care less if you feel for me or not, it makes no difference ❌
YOU are the one who keeps bringing up my sexuality every time I critisize Christianity or Islam, not me. I don't get what point you are trying to make.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And besides, I don't play what if; I play what is.
Oh, you do, do you ?
Okay..well your religion IS a flawed, corrupt, hate-promoting, earth-destroying religion, which has been responsible for the suffering, deaths, and oppression of innocent people for ****ing centuries...
So is the other sh*t religion, Islam.
It could be something better.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
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Originally posted by muslimscholar
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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.this the full verse it means where muslims are the majority they can fight against un believers only if they stand in the way if they dont fight then they must subdued them selves and pay jizya to the islamic government like the 30,000 jews living in iran today
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guide not a people unjust.
this verse when revealed Christians and jews were enemys this verse is for us as we see now in the world how america and britain back isreal evan if they are wrong
this verse dosent evan mention muslims
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YUSUFALI: But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.no mention of mosque or state
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YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.004.059
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.if your authority is doing anything against islam dont do it
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YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.this verse was reveled at the time when makkah was in control of the kaaba it was an ultimatum to them either beome muslim get out or fight
dont know where you got that meaning from?
real meaning
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YUSUFALI: Those that turn (to Allah) in repentance; that serve Him, and praise Him; that wander in devotion to the cause of Allah,: that bow down and prostrate themselves in prayer; that enjoin good and forbid evil; and observe the limit set by Allah;- (These do rejoice). So proclaim the glad tidings to the Believers.repeated same verse from the top
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YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.fitna does not mean disbelief it means oppression dont twist words plz
this verse was reveld when there were less muslims so allah said every muslim was worth 10 un beleviers so
So Qur'an repetadly contradicts itself, as you so eloquantly stated just now.
According to Muhammad, if we find contradictions on the Qur'an, then he's a liar. Well...looks like he is.
Second of all - what you quoted there is applied only to people who will accept Islam. What happenes to those who do not? They are exectued as ''Allah has blinded them''.
And why is there a verse stating that you should not take Jews and Christians for friends? I think that says it all, doesn;t it.
Religious tolerance song can be sung to certain people here, but not to majority who have bothered to read the Qur'an.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
So Qur'an repetadly contradicts itself, as you so eloquantly stated just now.
According to Muhammad, if we find contradictions on the Qur'an, then he's a liar. Well...looks like he is.Second of all - what you quoted there is applied only to people who will accept Islam. What happenes to those who do not? They are exectued as ''Allah has blinded them''.
And why is there a verse stating that you should not take Jews and Christians for friends? I think that says it all, doesn;t it.
Religious tolerance song can be sung to certain people here, but not to majority who have bothered to read the Qur'an.
Muslims are encouraged to maintain excellent relationships with people of all cultural and religious backgrounds, so long as they do not oppress Muslims and attack them because of their religious beliefs.
The Qur'an says what means:
*{Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loves those who are just.}* (Al-Mumtahanah 60:5)
"Show mercy to those on earth, and God will show mercy to you." (At- Tirmithi and Abu Dawud)
Cue: We are all sinners. But to go into heavan you must confess your sins.
Because God doesn't know your sins. No wait, God sees and hears all.
Because God doesn't know you know your sins. But God knows everything.
Because God wants to see if you're willing to except you're a sinner. Yeah, lets go with that.
Originally posted by m. sade
unless you like to think everything, without exception, is perfect 🙄
And then all you need is a little time to see something change.
Then you realize that: The object is now more prefect, meaning it was imperfect before. If you lied before, are you lying now?
And the house of cards comes tumbling down.
Originally posted by Alliance
And then all you need is a little time to see something change.Then you realize that: The object is now more prefect, meaning it was imperfect before. If you lied before, are you lying now?
And the house of cards comes tumbling down.
However, a closed system cannot become more ordered. Therefore, this perfect system would only decay, and that's far from perfect. 🙂
Originally posted by m. sadeJust how exactly has religion benefitted society?
and you are stupid to so callously dismiss religionunless you like to think everything, without exception, is perfect 🙄
Religion has caused: war, conflict, enemies, confusion etc.
The abscence of religion has caused: friendship, socialism, democracy, entertainment etc.
Just look at history.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Just how exactly has religion benefitted society?Religion has caused: war, conflict, enemies, confusion etc.
The abscence of religion has caused: friendship, socialism, democracy, entertainment etc.
Just look at history.
That is incorrect. Religions have done both good and bad over the years.