Islam Questions

Started by Alfheim61 pages
Originally posted by Devil King
Like most religions, it has a built in persecution complex.

I think are lots of religons that don't. You are thinking about the Abrahamic faiths.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I think are lots of religons that don't. You are thinking about the Abrahamic faiths.

All men have built in defense systems, if you corner a man, threaten him or attack him it will kick in.

Relgions-and any ideology-are products of man thus they will have defensive systems, in many cases, when a group feels threatened it will appeal to a larger group or appease its own consciouses by activating its.

persecution complex

In the case of Islam, they excuse their violence and hate with their persecution complex.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
All men have built in defense systems, if you corner a man, threaten him or attack him it will kick in.

Relgions-and any ideology-are products of man thus they will have defensive systems, in many cases, when a group feels threatened it will appeal to a larger group or appease its own consciouses by activating its.

In the case of Islam, they excuse their violence and hate with their persecution complex.

There is a difference between a persecution complex and a defence mechanism.

Originally posted by Alfheim
There is a difference between a persecution complex and a defence mechanism.

The persecution complex is really just one of the many arms of the defense system.

Yeah.

The fact remains, that if you have people willing to die by thousands for their God, it dangerous. Political system you can believe in or you don't. If you are born into a religion, which preaches that higher being promises yout heaven if you blow yourself up in his name, is a danger on a complitely different level.

And people tounsands of years ago, did not act like animals, despite the popular belief of a lot of people.
Islam IS the problem. Lets compare Iran few thousand years ago and Iran now, as an example -

Speach by Cyrus the Great 2500 years ago

I am Kourosh (Cyrus), great king,…Now that I put the crown of the kingdom of Iran, Babylon, and the nations of the four directions on the head with the help of Ahura, I announce that I will respect the traditions, customs and religions of the nations of my empire and never let any of my governors and subordinates look down on or insult them while I am alive. …

I will impose my monarchy on no nation. Each is free to accept it, and if any one of them rejects it, I never resolve on war to reign. While I am the king…I will never let anyone oppress others,…

I will never let anyone take possession of movable and landed properties of the others by force or without compensation. While I am alive, I will prevent unpaid, forced labour.
Today, I announce that everyone is free to choose a religion.…No one could be penalised for his or her relatives' faults…

Speach by Allahtoyah Khomeini 1981

The real Day of God is the day that Amir al mo’menindrew his sword and slaughtered all the khavarej and killed them from the first to the last.

The Days of God are when Allah, the gracious, the almighty, causes an earthquake.
It is when He slaps on the face.
It is when he causes a hurricane.
He whips this people to become humans.
If the Amir al mo’menin wanted to be tolerant, he would not have drawn his sword killing 700 people in one go
In our prisons we have more of the same kind of people who are corrupt.
If we do not kill them, each one of them that gets out, will become a murderer!
They don’t become humans.
Why do you Mullahs only go after the ordinances of prayer and fasting?

Why do you only read the Quranic verses of mercy and do not read the verses of killing?

Quran says; kill, imprison!
Why are you only clinging to the part that talks about mercy?
Mercy is against God.
Mehrab means the place of war, the place of fighting.

Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed,
Just as all the wars of Islam used to proceeded out of the mehrabs.
The prophet has [had] sword to kill people..
Our [Holy] Imams were quite military men.
All of them were warriors.
They used to wield swords; they used to kill people.

We need a Khalifa who would chop hands, cut throat, stone people
In the same way that the messenger of God used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people.

In the same way that he massacred the Jews of Bani Qurayza because they were a bunch of discontent people.

If the Prophet used to order to burn a house or exterminate a tribe that was justice.
The lives of people must be secured through punishment.

Because, the protection of the masses lies beneath these very punitive executions.
With just a few years of imprisonment things don’t get fixed.
You must put aside these childish sentimentalism.

We believe that the accused essentially does not have to be tried. He or she must just be killed.
Only their identity is to be established and then they should be killed.

Indeed, a totalitarian religion and the promise of paradise should you die for that religion is a recipe for disaster.

And you are right, Islam is the problem, why? Well, the Quran states that you can get to heaven with 49 virgins or something if you sacrifice yourself, that isn't one mans interpretation, that is what it says.

That is the difference with Christianity, ofcourse Christians can be violent. However, they base it on interpretion not on scripture.

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."
"Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you."
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The persecution complex is really just one of the many arms of the defense system.

Depends on you're defintion of defense system. Im a heathen but I dont have a persecution complex.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Depends on you're defintion of defense system. Im a heathen but I dont have a persecution complex.

Or do you?

"Help! Im being repressed"

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

[b]In the same way that he massacred the Jews of Bani Qurayza because they were a bunch of discontent people. [/B]

He orded to kill them because they broke the treaty and betrayed the prophet of Allah

Originally posted by muslimscholar
He orded to kill them because they broke the treaty and betrayed the prophet of Allah

Jesus would not have given such an order, and he is the senior prophet as far as Islam goes, and he is also the Son of God...so we know who was wrong.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Jesus would not have given such an order, and he is the senior prophet as far as Islam goes, and he is also the Son of God...so we know who was wrong.

How is he the Senior prophet in islam?

Originally posted by muslimscholar
How is he the Senior prophet in islam?

Well, we all know he was Allah's fav.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well, we all know he was Allah's fav.

said who?

The Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)

where

I assume he said it somewhere in the Middle East...to my knowledge he never visited Florida.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I assume he said it somewhere in the Middle East...to my knowledge he never visited Florida.

i mean in which hadith is this saying recorded

It isn't ofcourse! It is an urban myth, apparently Muhammad, one for modesty, talked of Christ as the child (but not son) of Allah, his special prophet.

A myth is a myth with no real evidance

Originally posted by muslimscholar
A myth is a myth with no real evidance

...and the Quran is a myth with evidence?