Originally posted by ShakyamunisonIsn't animal a politically incorrect term that brings up stereotypes as to the capability and nature of living organisms? While correct, the term connotes a lesser being for many people.
So, do you think you are not an animal? "Yeah yeah yeah...whatever." is exactly what an animal would say, if they could say. 😉
Originally posted by Regret
Isn't animal a politically incorrect term that brings up stereotypes as to the capability and nature of living organisms? While correct, the term connotes a lesser being for many people.
Yes, people have stupid ideas about what an animal is. I look at it this way, if I have a soul, then so does my cat.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, do you think you are not an animal? "Yeah yeah yeah...whatever." is exactly what an animal would say, if they could say. 😉
Well the point is this.....I want to stay on topic not to get into a semantical discussion about wether humans are animals or not. Humans could be considered to be animals...so what?
Originally posted by Fatima
So even though we Discussed this issue in other threads but u still insist to show people that Islam is bad in anyway ..First , as for beating disobediant women this was the last solution if she kept on her wrongness. Allah order man first to Advise her ,then Abandoned her in bed and last thing to beat her SLIGHTLY not for the purpose of abusing or hurting her but to make her aware even the prophet said it shouldn't be as beating not even by hand but use something that doesn't hurt like in Arabia we have "sewak"its for cleaning the teeth ..very small and light device ..Well ,since u r talking about abusing women check this out ..
http://www.endabuse.org/resources/facts/
Inheritance half man in some cases only ..sometime both female and male get equal ..And bcoz its man duty to spend on her and his family .I don't see any problem with that 😕 ..Tell me what did Christin or Jew women get ?
testimony of 1 man is worth 2 of a woman ONLY in one area ..Debt
"and [b]get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women,
such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her "There's also cases when man's testimony is not acceptable or men and women testimony is equal ..In Judaism for example the testimony of 1 women worth 100 mens ..
And yea Happybirthday to you .. [/B]
Fatima, you are forgetting a major issue here, with the statistics of American domestic violence.
Firstly, women are more free to report domestic violence to the authorities. When women reorts domestic violence, it is acknowledged and reported. They have something called ''mandatory arrest'' law whereby if the parties are bickering or arging and there are evidence of vilence, one or both parties will be arrested on the spot.
If a muslim woman reported a domestic violence, the husband will claim she was disobediant and has hit her.
Husbands are not allowed to leave marks on women when they beat them, why do you think this is?
Its a false thing to go buy. Noone should beat anyone if they are in disagreement, espeically adults. We are talking here about two adults - why should one have more advantage over the other.
Intelligence has nothing to do wit sex - it is an individual thing.
Besides, i know the domestic violence problem in America, and I don't defend it, or want to know about it.
Shaming one to reclaim the other will not work.
Furthermore, remind us all, if a woman is raped, how many withnesses does she need to have?
Originally posted by muslimscholar
lil bitchiness and Lord Urizen the truth is in front of you but your arrogance blinds you so you cant see it what a shame
Oh please don't try feeding us this bullshit scholar.... 😬
The Quran is clearly sexist, just like the Bible and Torah, your book is no better. Women and Men are not seen as equal, they are assigned specific roles, and women are seen as less intelligent, less capable, while men are seen as more powerful, more responsible, and more deserving.
Both LIL B and myself have used your own book to argue against you, and all you can do was DENY everything that was right in front of you. Remember our whole 72 Virgins debate ?
It was clear, CRYSTAL CLEAR to everyone that I proved you wrong, my assertions were supported by over 25 pages of Quran text, and all you could do was cry and scream, "SHOW ME THE QUOTE ! SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS 72!"
While I was using every Quran text possible to prove to you that Allah claims that those who slaughter non-beleivers will be rewarded with Virgins in Heaven, you kept trying to argue about the number of Virgins being incorrect.
Pathetic 👇
Now you want to argue that LIL B doesn't know what she's talking about, even though she provided us all with massive loads of historical and scriptural information ?
Don't even start....
Originally posted by muslimscholar
lil bitchiness and Lord Urizen the truth is in front of you but your arrogance blinds you so you cant see it what a shame
I have provided you with the words from your own holy book, on what grounds do you call me arrogant?
Originally posted by muslimscholar
tell us with evidance
I asked Fatima, or you, to tell us.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Oh please don't try feeding us this bullshit scholar.... 😬The [b]Quran
is clearly sexist, just like the Bible and Torah, your book is no better. Women and Men are not seen as equal, they are assigned specific roles, and women are seen as less intelligent, less capable, while men are seen as more powerful, more responsible, and more deserving.Both LIL B and myself have used your own book to argue against you, and all you can do was DENY everything that was right in front of you. Remember our whole 72 Virgins debate ?
It was clear, CRYSTAL CLEAR to everyone that I proved you wrong, my assertions were supported by over 25 pages of Quran text, and all you could do was cry and scream, "SHOW ME THE QUOTE ! SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS 72!"
While I was using every Quran text possible to prove to you that Allah claims that those who slaughter non-beleivers will be rewarded with Virgins in Heaven, you kept trying to argue about the number of Virgins being incorrect.
Pathetic 👇
Now you want to argue that LIL B doesn't know what she's talking about, even though she provided us all with massive loads of historical and scriptural information ?
Don't even start.... [/B]
yes both of you just post a whole load of verses that are completely out of context and you still haven't showed me any evidence that Allah rewards those who kill non believers with virgins
Originally posted by muslimscholar
yes both of you just post a whole load of verses that are completely out of context and you still haven't showed me any evidence that [B]Allah rewards those who kill non believers with virgins [/B]
If Allah does not reward those who kill non believers with 72 virgins, then why do suicide bombers blow them selves up?
Originally posted by muslimscholar
yes both of you just post a whole load of verses that are completely out of context and you still haven't showed me any evidence that [B]Allah rewards those who kill non believers with virgins [/B]
That's because Allah doesn't. The the term "virgin" is a misconception and incorrect translation of the original Arabic script reading "loyal servants".
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If Allah does not reward those who kill non believers with 72 virgins, then why do suicide bombers blow them selves up?
They're stupid.
I never heard of that before (the non-vergin part). I did hear that instead of virgin there was a posibility of a raisin, but not servent.
muslimscholar, here are some questions which you can clarify for me and please keep to the point -
1)Muhammad claimed that most of the inhabitants of hell were women, so by logic, most of the muslim women will land up in hell, why?
2) women in islamic paradise will get only their (old shaggy) husband, while their husbands will get 72 houries capable of revirginating themselves along with blue eyed boys. Why does the women not get 72 penis'?
3) Why does a women get half of what her brother inherits?
4) Why is the womens testimony considered half of men?
5) Why should a women need a male marham (guardian) while travelling?
6) Why is it that the male guardian has to approve with whom the women shall marry?
7) Why is the women considered deficent in knowledge?
8) Why does the women need a male guardian to conduct and manage her own business in shariah?
9)Why do muslims resort to honor killings of women?
10) why can't women have 4 husbands?
11) Why does the women not get maintenance after divorce. Why does she have to live on meher which may be as low as a few dollars?
12)Why do women have to cover themselves in tents in the scorching heat if they travel out of their house even in summer?
13)Why does a women need 4 witness to prove a rape? Is DNA and forensic science not good enough?
14) Why is it that a women who cannot bring 4 witness rape, considered an adultrator and condemmed to stonning as per islamic laws?
15) Why can the man say divorce 3 times and nowadays even by sms and lo there is divorce?
16) Why can't the women ask for divorce?
17) why can the man marry 4 women and keep as many slaves as his right hand possesses, why can't women do the same?
18) why can muslim men marry pre teen girls?
19)Why are muslim men allowed to beat and flog women?
20) Why should a women satisfy a man's lust everytime he demands even when she is not in a mood, as they say even on the camels back?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Fatima, you are forgetting a major issue here, with the statistics of American domestic violence.Firstly, women are more free to report domestic violence to the authorities. When women reorts domestic violence, it is acknowledged and reported. They have something called ''mandatory arrest'' law whereby if the parties are bickering or arging and there are evidence of vilence, one or both parties will be arrested on the spot.
If a muslim woman reported a domestic violence, the husband will claim she was disobediant and has hit her.Husbands are not allowed to leave marks on women when they beat them, why do you think this is?
Its a false thing to go buy. Noone should beat anyone if they are in disagreement, espeically adults. We are talking here about two adults - why should one have more advantage over the other.
Intelligence has nothing to do wit sex - it is an individual thing.
Besides, i know the domestic violence problem in America, and I don't defend it, or want to know about it.
Shaming one to reclaim the other will not work.Furthermore, remind us all, if a woman is raped, how many withnesses does she need to have?
I don't know why u make it a big deal with beating issue ..Its like holding a child's ear that mention in Quran not more ..And if the husband abuse or beat her she have the right to report it to authorities even if he didn't leave a mark on her body bcoz Quran is against violence ..Arabian womens are strong and they will not let anybody to abuse them ..Luckily we don't have that freaking numbers in domestic violence ..
As for raped women to be honest I don't know this ,but in adultery its 4 witnesses ..