But Religions are largely matter of interpretation.... do Jews follow the law of Moses from the Old Testament? It wasn`t much better for women, with penalties like being stoned for adultery. There is no need to follow holy books word by word.
I say it is the matter of most Islam countries simply being not as advanced as Western ones- at least by our point of view.
Originally posted by Lord Melkor
But Religions are largely matter of interpretation.... do Jews follow the law of Moses from the Old Testament? It wasn`t much better for women, with penalties like being stoned for adultery. There is no need to follow holy books word by word.I say it is the matter of most Islam countries simply being not as advanced as Western ones- at least by our point of view.
Of course this makes you utterly unfamiliar with Islam. As Alfheim pointed out, Islam is based on believing every single word of the Qur'an. If you do not, you are a kafir, instantly.
It is thus NOT like Judaism.
The very essence of Islam is to believe that There is not god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger.
Everything that is written in the Qur'an is the untranslatable, unchangable word of God.
It is one of those things which are impossible to explain to most Westners, for the simple reason that they tend to instantly compare it with what they know - which is Judaism and Christianity, and for whatever reason, willfully ignore the fact that Islam does not correlate with these two religions.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Why? Because Muhammad was sexist and is whole religion is.
Muhammad despised women, espeically since women in Arabia had such a high status.
your mad! women had no status girls were buried alive because men wre ashamed to have daughters islam came and stoped all of this so how could muhammed be sexist?
Originally posted by muslimscholar
your mad! women had no status girls were buried alive because men wre ashamed to have daughters islam came and stoped all of this so how could muhammed be sexist?
That's like saying Mussolini was less harsh than Hitler, so therefore we should embrace Mussolini. Both are still facist dictatorships. In your case, an extremely sexist regime is replaced by... a slightly less extremely sexist regime. You simply destroy your own credibility by trying to say Islam is not sexist when it is very blatantly so.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
That's like saying Mussolini was less harsh than Hitler, so therefore we should embrace Mussolini. Both are still facist dictatorships. In your case, an extremely sexist regime is replaced by... a slightly less extremely sexist regime. You simply destroy your own credibility by trying to say Islam is not sexist when it is very blatantly so.
thats your opinion your entitled to it but what i don't get is if Islam is sexist religion then why are there so many Muslim women?
Originally posted by Lord Melkor
Well, but there are countries like Turkey that are inhabited by Muslims, yet they have more secular, modern law. So some Muslims can accept the daviation it seems.And Islam is hardly a unified religion, isn`t it?
Why do you claim this?
Islam is very unified religion. It is concerned with collective following, and after collective comes personal...
It puts dominance of Islam before spiritual growth, for example. That is why Sharia is present.
Nor Judaism nor Christianity have anything which resembles or even comes close to Sharia Law.
Furthermore, Islam puts an amphasis on Arabic way of life, arabic dress, speaking Arabic, reading Qur'an in Arabic, following the Arabic Law, praying towards Mecca which is in Arabia...etc. Islam is extreamly Arab-centric.
Sharia Law is code law based on Qur'an, so in pretty much all of Islamic countries there is a Sharia.
The most noticable ones are -
Sudan
Saudi Arabia
Pakistan
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Afghanistan
Lybia
Malaysia
Nigeria
Egypt
Lebanon
Jordan
Kuywat
Oman
etc...
They all have aspect of Sharia in their laws to various degrees, be it family, or all.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
It is one of those things which are impossible to explain to most Westners, for the simple reason that they tend to instantly compare it with what they know - which is Judaism and Christianity, and for whatever reason, willfully ignore the fact that Islam does not correlate with these two religions.
Of course it correlates with them. All three religions are Abrahamic, worship the same God, and are very much related.
And for the love god, why do you use the word "Westerner"? Its really outdated and non-distinct.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Sharia Law is code law based on Qur'an, so in pretty much all of Islamic countries there is a Sharia.The most noticable ones are -
Sudan
Saudi Arabia
Pakistan
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Afghanistan
Lybia
Malaysia
Nigeria
Egypt
Lebanon
Jordan
Kuywat
Oman
etc...They all have aspect of Sharia in their laws to various degrees, be it family, or all.
Are you sure about Egypt?? Alchohol is legal, which means its not under sharia, and its one of the more liberal countries in the Middle East.
Originally posted by muslimscholar
thats your opinion your entitled to it but what i don't get is if Islam is sexist religion then why are there so many Muslim women?
As Melkor says, your question makes no sense. Why were there so many women in the sexist regimes you say Islam supplanted? Fact is that people get culturally indoctrinated into a religion and have to follow its rules- not as if Islam has a very tolerant policy to those who leave it. Besides, Christainity is historically sexist also; never stopped there being lots of Christian women.
It's not as if when we reach 18 we all go into a big room and choose which religion we want.
and....... they could not charge the man with rape, unless the girl produced/bring forth to court a witness to the crime.
tell me how is that not sexist. When a woman is raped why should she have to get someone else to prove it, other than a MD????
And after all of that, someone from her family may just go and kill her anyway to pretect the family's honour. Why does something that happened forcibly to a woman disgrace her family. Its the rapist family that should be disgraced.
Many religions are sexist , but Islam is currently the most glaring one. Bring evidence as to how other religions are as blatantly sexist to shut us up Muslimscholar............ dont just tell us that we are wrong.If you can't do that, then you are not defending your faith stronly enough against the hate that is out there against it. In hindusim that is called Dharma....protecting and honouring the faith.
Originally posted by finiNicely said. 👆
and....... they could not charge the man with rape, unless the girl produced/bring forth to court a witness to the crime.tell me how is that not sexist. When a woman is raped why should she have to get someone else to prove it, other than a MD????
And after all of that, someone from her family may just go and kill her anyway to pretect the family's honour. Why does something that happened forcibly to a woman disgrace her family. Its the rapist family that should be disgraced.Many religions are sexist , but Islam is currently the most glaring one. Bring evidence as to how other religions are as blatantly sexist to shut us up Muslimscholar............ dont just tell us that we are wrong.If you can't do that, then you are not defending your faith stronly enough against the hate that is out there against it. In hindusim that is called Dharma....protecting and honouring the faith.