Islam Questions

Originally posted by Alliance
and that is a product of the government adn education, not the religion. And you'd be wrong to belive that Islamicists don't live outside the Middle East, so don't make stupid regionalist statements.

I never said Islamic Extemists do not live outside the Middle East, but the concentration is there.

The Quran excuses and justifies the violence that the government and local towns men enact. The violence is a major aspect of Islam. Stop trying to separate it, because the Quran allows it.

If the Quran did not condone violence, then I would absolutely no argument. However, it does.

Originally posted by Alliance

When you say you hate Islam, you offend Muslims EVERYWERE, adn non-Muslims like me.

I am not known for trying to be politcally correct...

And I didn't say I hate Islam. I disrespect the Quran and the Violence spread because of it. I disrespect Islam.

I don't care if it offends you. Your petty little feelings, and the pride of Muslims everywhere means jack shit when compared to the suffering of innocent Muslim woman who are tormented every fkn day, and the young Gay Muslim children who live in shame and terror because of the constructs of thier fkn religion.

Islam is responsible for the deaths and suffering of so many people, primarily ITS OWN.

I do not GIVE ONE **** about how offended you or anyone else would be about my statements...The reality is that people are suffering emotional and physical torment because of the Quran. That means more to me than being politically correct.

Originally posted by Alliance

No, it is not. Most Muslims reject these statements. IN your argument, the only true Muslims are extremists, justifying your biogtry. In the real world, which some of us actually live in, Religion is a practice. YOu can justify most any biogetd action using some text or another, that doesn't mean that it is representatvie or commonplace. Its just means that you are looking for an excuse.

Wrong 👇

Shut the **** up, and stop putting words in my damn mouth !

Islam, if to be judged, must be judged by its entirety, the good and the bad. The Quran is what I attack, not the Muslim people.

Originally posted by Alliance
So if the US had a mojority Islam religious preference we'd have an Islamic government? What stupid statements.

What the **** are you talking about ?

Originally posted by Alliance
All those damn Muslims running governments....how perverse. Get over yourself, this is not a Muslim problem , this is a problem of governemnts who can't control their people and education and poverty.

The governments would have no justification for thier actions against thier people if they didn't have the Quran backing them up. Thier law is based on Quran. What part do you not understand ?

Originally posted by Alliance
If you are a Buddhist and you promote killing or violence of any kind, then you are not truly Buddhist.

I do not promote violence or killing of any kind, nor do i tolerate it.

Originally posted by Alliance
Here you go with your ideal types again. You sound like JIA claiming there is a "true" Buddhism and a "true" everyhting else.

If a Christian worships Kali and Shiva, then he/she is not a real Christian.

If a Buddhist thinks it is okay to kill, then he/she is not a true Buddhist.

You cannot call yourself part of a religion, and reject its most central core.

Originally posted by Alliance
Therefore my original points still stand. There is no such thing as a "true" anything. A Buddhist who kills a man is still Buddhist. As a Christian is still a Christian despite the fact that he commits adultery or murders. It doesn't destroy any aspect of your religion at all and changes nothing. And most certainly, one act by one person says nothing about a religion. You even go into this yourself, actions are seperate from persons. Jsut because a Buddhist does somethign non-Buddhist, doesn't say a thing about what they are.

1) I disagree. Can a Christian truly call himself a Christian if he worships Kali, and rejects Jesus ?

2) Actions are separate from people, yes, which is why I am not attacking Muslim people. I am attacking the Quran, and the way Fundamental Islam is practiced.

Originally posted by Alliance
And all you do is insult and degrade every Muslim on earth...yeah...real enlightened.

When and Where did I ever do that ? Stop making sh*t up...

Originally posted by Alliance
Besides, if life is all about coinciding to social norms, than whats wrong with tribal systems that execute homosexuals? They're just conforming to a social norm....or is it simply your social norm that you want everyone to conform to?

When did I ever say Life is about coinciding to social norms ? What...are...you...talking...about ? 🤨

Originally posted by Alliance
Because violence is the actions of people. Islam might enable violence, but that doesn't mean that Islam is inherently violent by itself.

Speaking namely about terrorism, the violence I've seen and read has much deepeer motivations than religion.

It does clarify and its bullocks. The founder of the religon waged war on the pagan arabs, therefore Islam is inherently intolerant. Would it be worth my while giving examples. My point is even before Islam had beef with the west it was intolerant so you cant keep blaming the west for the violence....get it?

Originally posted by Alliance

Speaking domestically, I stongly feel that these actions are of desert mountain tribes and isolated incidents.

Whatever

Originally posted by Alliance

I believe that most Muslims don't do something, simply because they are allowed to by an old book.

Does that clarify?

Well some would actually precisely because they dont think the quran is an "old book" and they are not taught to question the Quran.

I love how Alliance hasn't yet responded...

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I love how Alliance hasn't yet responded...

I have many things to do. The semester is ending and I'm tragically sorry that I cannot address every ignorant comment in every thread. If its that f*cking imporatnt to you, pm me. Otherwise, I try my best to get around to everyones arguments. This one is on the backburner for now.

Originally posted by Alfheim
It does clarify and its bullocks. The founder of the religon waged war on the pagan arabs, therefore Islam is inherently intolerant.

A shark attacks a man. Therefore sharks are inherently violent. 🤨

Originally posted by Alfheim
Would it be worth my while giving examples. My point is even before Islam had beef with the west it was intolerant so you cant keep blaming the west for the violence....get it?

What society in the fricking history of man wasn't intolerant?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well some would actually precisely because they dont think the quran is an "old book" and they are not taught to question the Quran.

kali listen you either debate me on the topic does the quran promote violence in an open thread or just shut up because you are just talking bull shit

Question:

What are your feelings on individuals like Sayyid Qutb, the concept of jahiliyyah or Wahhabist Islam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyyah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahabbism

Wahhabis are becoming increasingly unpopular...or so I have read.

Jahiliyyah is also what the Iranians were referred to. Because of such, most of Persian libraries were burned with the invasion of Arabs, as they believed that any traces of pre-Islam should be destroyed. Ironic for Persians that. And Egyptians too.
Anyway, personal thoughts - its rather imperialistic, totalitarian thinking.

Sayyid Qutb great man one of the few great muslim leaders of our time also Imam Hassan al Banna

What? How can you say that?

Al Banna was terrible, as was Sayyid. Muslim Brotherhood has always used extremely violent means to achieve its goals, as its doing now. And its members get permanently arrested. Don't you think there is something wrong with that?

Besides, some experts refer to Muslim Brotherhood as the source of mothern Islamic Jihad.
They're not great. They are religious nuts, who want no separation between mosque (in this case) and state, imposing a totalitarian regime. That is not ''great'' its scary!

And God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
...And God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts.

hysterical

I agree pretty much with what lil b has to say about Qutb, however, there are many religious figures who have some good and some bad ideals.

What are the positive things that you take away from Qutb's work that is relevant to your life?

Originally posted by inimalist
I agree pretty much with what lil b has to say about Qutb, however, there are many religious figures who have some good and some bad ideals.

What are the positive things that you take away from Qutb's work that is relevant to your life?

Are you asking me or muslimscholar?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
What? How can you say that?

Al Banna was terrible, as was Sayyid. Muslim Brotherhood has always used extremely violent means to achieve its goals, as its doing now. And its members get permanently arrested. Don't you think there is something wrong with that?

Besides, some experts refer to Muslim Brotherhood as the source of mothern Islamic Jihad.
They're not great. They are religious nuts, who want no separation between mosque (in this case) and state, imposing a totalitarian regime. That is not ''great'' its scary!

And God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts.

Tell me are you telling muslims what they should and shouldn't do?
If you are think again

Originally posted by muslimscholar
Tell me are you telling muslims what they should and shouldn't do?
If you are think again

Great response there. Well done. 😐

Originally posted by muslimscholar
Tell me are you telling muslims what they should and shouldn't do?
If you are think again

The world has a right to tell Muslims what they should not do, if it violates human rights.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Are you asking me or muslimscholar?

muslimscholar

I am genuinely interested in what Qutb contributed to the forwarding of Islam, especially for someone who I assume isn't a radical

Originally posted by muslimscholar
Tell me are you telling muslims what they should and shouldn't do?
If you are think again

And if you think you can say to non-Muslims what they should do, you should think again.

The point is muslimscholar, Muslim Brotherhood's goal is to make Islamic empire, and I quote ''from Spain to Indonesia'' with the Islamic government as instructed by Hadith and Qur'an.

In few of that, such ideas are imperialistic, religiously dangerous and frankly threatening. If people collectively from Spain to Indonesia wanted to be governed by Islamic law, they would have. There is a reason why they are not.

Muslim Brotherhood is violent, which in itself does not fill people with happiness and feelings of security.

Originally posted by muslimscholar
Tell me are you telling muslims what they should and shouldn't do?
If you are think again

and hi people back here to post

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And if you think you can say to non-Muslims what they should do, you should think again.

The point is muslimscholar, Muslim Brotherhood's goal is to make Islamic empire, and I quote ''from Spain to Indonesia'' with the Islamic government as instructed by Hadith and Qur'an.

In few of that, such ideas are imperialistic, religiously dangerous and frankly threatening. If people collectively from Spain to Indonesia wanted to be governed by Islamic law, they would have. There is a reason why they are not.

Muslim Brotherhood is violent, which in itself does not fill people with happiness and feelings of security.

Tell me what is the problem when muslims say they want a islamic empire but when britain had an empire no one said anything when france had an empire no one said anything but if muslims want an empire they cant because 50 countries open their mouth and start screaming to the U N why?

Originally posted by muslimscholar
Tell me what is the problem when muslims say they want a islamic empire but when britain had an empire no one said anything when france had an empire no one said anything but if muslims want an empire they cant because 50 countries open their mouth and start screaming to the U N why?