You guys are killing me. How many of you have been in long term relation ships? How many have been in long term relation ships with independant women? How many of you have been ingadged/married to a King?
So how can you say that some of this stuff is outside of her character when everybody knows that realtionships change people for good and bad. (Every relationship struggles to find ballance.)
Those of you that think you under stand Storm may need to go back and refresh.
Storm is a HERO first and foremost before anything else. So its not a hard leap for her to be angry at Emma's position (and given the bad blood between them).
Why would a King jump over a fence to save some lowly Black Kid? i guess he's just that kind of guy (had a civil rights feel).
In the scene were Storm says she hates deplomacy. Again, understandable (politics not realy being her mode at the moment. plus the guy was an ass.)
As for the Night Crawler's dialog at the wedding it was probably an attempt to use Liebe Dich (love you. Black kid raised in Germany) in a fanetic/slang sense.
As for the Sub-Mariner scene, Again, how many have been in long term relation ships with independant, strong, black women? They do stuff like that. My Momma and Lady to name a few. There was also the part were Namor told her to keep her female logic to herself, and Bp had to check'im.(black men do things like that for their ladies, My Dad and Me ae a few examples)
Your not going to like everything that a new writter does for a character (Can't please all the people, all the time) But alot of what I'm hearing, besides what i just tried to explain, are rooted in the fact that he's a black man doing his "black thing" .
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
You guys are killing me. How many of you have been in long term relation ships? How many have been in long term relation ships with independant women? How many of you have been ingadged/married to a King?So how can you say that some of this stuff is outside of her character when everybody knows that realtionships change people for good and bad. (Every relationship struggles to find ballance.)
Those of you that think you under stand Storm may need to go back and refresh.
Storm is a HERO first and foremost before anything else. So its not a hard leap for her to be angry at Emma's position (and given the bad blood between them).Why would a King jump over a fence to save some lowly Black Kid? i guess he's just that kind of guy (had a civil rights feel).
In the scene were Storm says she hates deplomacy. Again, understandable (politics not realy being her mode at the moment. plus the guy was an ass.)
As for the Night Crawler's dialog at the wedding it was probably an attempt to use Liebe Dich (love you. Black kid raised in Germany) in a fanetic/slang sense.
As for the Sub-Mariner scene, Again, how many have been in long term relation ships with independant, strong, black women? They do stuff like that. My Momma and Lady to name a few. There was also the part were Namor told her to keep her female logic to herself, and Bp had to check'im.(black men do things like that for their ladies, My Dad and Me ae a few examples)
Your not going to like everything that a new writter does for a character (Can't please all the people, all the time) But alot of what I'm hearing, besides what i just tried to explain, are rooted in the fact that he's a black man doing his "black thing" .
You approve of Storm's recent behaviour and all of Hudlin's bullshit.
Congratulations, this entitles you to the idiot award.
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
[B]You guys are killing me. How many of you have been in long term relation ships? How many have been in long term relation ships with independant women? How many of you have been ingadged/married to a King?So how can you say that some of this stuff is outside of her character when everybody knows that realtionships change people for good and bad. (Every relationship struggles to find ballance.)
Because the characters dialogue and mannerisms have changed to such an extent that her appeal has been lost for me. Relationships change people that I agree on, but the extent to which her IQ has been impaired is just not appealing. Emma Frost retained her wit when she and Scott become a couple. Why couldn't the same be for Storm?
I couldn't give a damn whether she married BP or not. Heck I actually think it's good that she's being exposed to the MU. But to portray the character as something she's not, is just insulting to 30+ years of comic book history. She never grew up in the states, her vocabulary was regal. I have no idea where or when she developed this average american girl vocabulary.
She has sacrificed her intellect for poorly written outbursts.
Those of you that think you under stand Storm may need to go back and refresh.
Storm is a HERO first and foremost before anything else. So its not a hard leap for her to be angry at Emma's position (and given the bad blood between them).
Angry at Emma's position? Where were the Avengers when Genosha was burning? If heroes stand united, then were where the X-Mens friends when the Xavier Institute had to dig out the corpses of 40+ students and bury them. Where was Storm when they held the wake for all their beloved ones...oh yeah on her honeymoon.
Mutants have been persecuted by these very same laws for decades, the only reason the rest of the MU jumped in this time was because these laws effected them. The 198 registeration act was passed before the SHRA and no one apart from mutants seemed concerned with that.
Emma disagreed with both sides, her first priority is and will always the well being of the students staying out was the right thing to do. And it was the smartest thing to do.
Being a hero means doing the right thing. In civil war there was no right side. Storm acted like there was no need for the SHRA when to some extent one is definitely needed. Storm tried to drag the Xavier Institute into the heart of the war had she succeeded the repercussions would have been most severe. Storm is not an idiot she should have foresaw this like Emma and Scott.
Heck how heroic and just can she be when she approved of the idea of Wakanda having their own secret army stituated in the United States?
And disagreeing with someone just for sake of disagreeing is some what moronic regardless of whether there's bad blood between yourselves.
In the scene were Storm says she hates deplomacy. Again, understandable (politics not realy being her mode at the moment. plus the guy was an ass.)
Since when has Storm ever spoken or carried herself in that manner?
As for the Sub-Mariner scene, Again, how many have been in long term relation ships with independant, strong, black women? They do stuff like that. My Momma and Lady to name a few. There was also the part were Namor told her to keep her female logic to herself, and Bp had to check'im.(black men do things like that for their ladies, My Dad and Me ae a few examples)Your not going to like everything that a new writter does for a character (Can't please all the people, all the time) But alot of what I'm hearing, besides what i just tried to explain, are rooted in the fact that he's a black man doing his "black thing" .
That's complete BS, how does being strong and independent amount to saying something moronic? What the heck does Sue Richards have to do with the Civil War, Storm was babbling about nothing.
You're completely right Exodus.
Storm also did the jiiatzbaaaah with this galactic emperor who was going to invade earth. Khan was his name? In extreme x-men. So people can't say it's because she's being married to royalty, because that didn't affect her behavior before either.
It's also interesting how Storm completely ignores the other people in her life that she loves. Wolverine, Gambit, Nightcrawler and Forge.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Because the characters dialogue and mannerisms have changed to such an extent that her appeal has been lost for me. Relationships change people that I agree on, but the extent to which her IQ has been impaired is just not appealing. Emma Frost retained her wit when she and Scott become a couple. Why couldn't the same be for Storm?
She is the QUEEN of a nation now (along with the average changes one goes through in a relationship, she must now also deal with the gravity of her new position.) and how has anything shown depict her IQ diminishing? explain that to me please?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I couldn't give a damn whether she married BP or not. Heck I actually think it's good that she's being exposed to the MU. But to portray the character as something she's not, is just insulting to 30+ years of comic book history. She never grew up in the states, her vocabulary was regal. I have no idea where or when she developed this average american girl vocabulary.
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keep in mind that storm was reduced in age by Nanny and wondered in America as a runaway for a while till Gambit found her. This could be used to explain the change in her Dialog. She still has her Imperious moments (one of the things that i love about the character)illustrated by some of her outbursts. Accents only stick around if you want them too. The girl is a survivor (practicing safe OP SEC)
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Angry at Emma's position? Where were the Avengers when Genosha was burning? If heroes stand united, then were where the X-Mens friends when the Xavier Institute had to dig out the corpses of 40+ students and bury them. Where was Storm when they held the wake for all their beloved ones...oh yeah on her honeymoon.[/B]
The world is not limited to mutants and those that hate them. Allot of what goes on in the MU takes place at the same time. The Avengers had their hands full rounding up Raft criminals and arguing with shield, fighting Hydra, dealing with the Sentry.
As far as the Wake is concerned, they haven't shown Emma/Scott informing Storm about what happened to the students (to my knowledge) so we don't know how she dealt Worth it. (was she the only one missing? was Wolverine there?) it's possible they had the Wake without her even knowing what had happened. (since she was on her "Honeymoon"😉.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Emma disagreed with both sides, her first priority is and will always the well being of the students staying out was the right thing to do. And it was the smartest thing to do.
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Emma's priorities have, and always will be, Self Motivated (ends justify the means)
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Being a hero means doing the right thing. In civil war there was no right side. Storm acted like there was no need for the SHRA when to some extent one is definitely needed. Storm tried to drag the Xavier Institute into the heart of the war had she succeeded the repercussions would have been most severe. Storm is not an idiot she should have foresaw this like Emma and Scott.
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SHRA=MRA Storm didn't see that big a difference between the 2. Emma and Scott took the bye because for once mutants weren't the designated targets. but to Storm, Forced registration is Forced registration. Collection can and often does lead to oppression.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Heck how heroic can she be when she approved of the idea of Wakanda having their own secret army in the states?[/B]
Better to be safe then sorry. She is a Queen now, charged with the security of her people.(not to mention that Tony and the US gov. aren't acting right were Wakanda's concerned).
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Since when has Storm ever spoken or carried herself in that manner?
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The last time she was Queen of a nation (not the same as being hailed as a Goddess)
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That's complete BS, how does being strong and independent amount to saying something moronic? What the heck does Sue Richards have to do with the Civil War, Storm was babbling about nothing. [/B]
Not ironic. just female logic. Sue and Reed are integral to the Civil War. Namor really liked sue before they got married. during this time of tension between Sue and Reed, Namor might have wanted to take advantage (like a PIMP from the depths). Being that the Panther and Namor share a history with the Four i didn't think that it was waaaaaay out there.
Originally posted by llagrok
You're completely right Exodus.Storm also did the jiiatzbaaaah with this galactic emperor who was going to invade earth. Khan was his name? In extreme x-men. So people can't say it's because she's being married to royalty, because that didn't affect her behavior before either.
1. She didn't love the guy
2. She was in P.O.W mode (trying to affect a change in the situation from with in.)
3. She wasn't about to be someone's "spoil of war" a symbol of her peoples defeat at the hands of mighty Khan. which leaves room for her to say things like " I'm nobody's trophy wife" (not an exact quote but you get it.)
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
She is the QUEEN of a nation now (along with the average changes one goes through in a relationship, she must now also deal with the gravity of her new position.) and how has anything shown depict her IQ diminishing? explain that to me please?
For the various reasons mentioned above. Her choices regarding the SHRA, her reasoning behind the SHRA. Her little outburst to Namor, female logic as you put it. Her lack of foresight concerning the mutants. The choice of words...one example being the term "Loser".
keep in mind that storm was reduced in age by Nanny and wondered in America as a runaway for a while till Gambit found her. This could be used to explain the change in her Dialog. She still has her Imperious moments (one of the things that i love about the character)illustrated by some of her outbursts. Accents only stick around if you want them too. The girl is a survivor (practicing safe OP SEC)
She still had her regal tone even after that incident. That occured in the UXM 270's, we were in the UXM 450's and she still carried herself in a regal manner.
The world is not limited to mutants and those that hate them. Allot of what goes on in the MU takes place at the same time. The Avengers had their hands full rounding up Raft criminals and arguing with shield, fighting Hydra, dealing with the Sentry.
No both those incidents were brought up during the Civil War series. Tony was lost for words when Emma confronted him with this notion and Ms. Marvel was just stunned. The X-Men played a pivitol role in most of those events that occured outside the X-Universe. Emma Frost was a major player when it came to the Sentry incident. And Wolverine is practically everywhere so that would cover whatever X-representation is needed in the rest of the MU. The X-Men were there at Stamford.
As the wise Xmarks would say:
Emma tells Tony to f*ck off.
Emma tells Carol to f*ck off.
No one cared about Genosha it's that simple.
As far as the Wake is concerned, they haven't shown Emma/Scott informing Storm about what happened to the students (to my knowledge) so we don't know how she dealt Worth it. (was she the only one missing? was Wolverine there?) it's possible they had the Wake without her even knowing what had happened. (since she was on her "Honeymoon"😉.
It's been all over the news of course she would know. Yes Wolverine was there. She still hasn't even voiced an opinion on the many losses that took place.
Storm didn't even mention it when she contacted Emma in BP #22
Emma's priorities have, and always will be, Self Motivated (ends justify the means)
Emma has always loved her students. Emma is a cold hearted b*tch but when her students are concerned they always come first.
SHRA=MRA Storm didn't see that big a difference between the 2. Emma and Scott took the bye because for once mutants weren't the designated targets. but to Storm, Forced registration is Forced registration. Collection can and often does lead to oppression.
Both the SHRA and MRA are in fact necessary to an extent. Hudlin potrayed the entire Civil War event as in Black and White, while the rest of the MU touched on the situation being a grey area.
For Storm to even suggest that the X-Men place "children" in the line of fire is ever so ridiculous. Because that's what would have happened had the X-Men uped and left the mansion to go and help Captain America "terrorize" the town.
Better to be safe then sorry. She is a Queen now, charged with the security of her people.(not to mention that Tony and the US gov. aren't acting right).
This was during the Civil War event, they intended on using that army in the battle against IronMan.
The last time she was Queen of a nation (not the same as being hailed as a Goddess)
When she was an X-Man she spoke with a regal tone. In that UXM Annual just before her wedding she spoke in a regal tone. It's not Storm, she's never been this.
Not ironic. just female logic. Sue and Reed are integral to the Civil War. Namor really liked sue before they got married. during this time of tension between Sue and Reed, Namor might have wanted to take advantage (like a PIMP from the depths). Being that the Panther and Namor share a history with the Four i didn't think that it was waaaaaay out there.
Female logic? 😐
How come Emma and Jean have never had these lapses? Niether has Sue. Heck the one person I expected it from Ms Marvel has never shown such horrendous logic. I'm trying to think if the She-Hulk(Which currently is as low as it gets) ever had such a display.
I don't even care about all that. The fact still remains the only reason that BP and Storm even got so involved in Civil War is because he wanted to present some kind of racism on the matter.
That is still my biggest problem is the fact that Hudlin is twisting characters around to present a very controversial topic with absolutely no reason to or any thought behind it.
I mean seriously it is obvious that Hudlin has a personal view he wants to get out. But he is going about it all the wrong way. He using characters as center points that he shouldn't. He isn't adding any depth to his writing on the subject matter. And worst of all he is doing so without offering any kind of justifcation or alternative to it.
At least with most writers they mess somethings with. Like weakening a power here overusing one part of a personality here. But Hudlin is completely changing everything around for BP simply so he can get what he wants to present on he subject matter.
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
As far as the Wake is concerned, they haven't shown Emma/Scott informing Storm about what happened to the students (to my knowledge) so we don't know how she dealt Worth it. (was she the only one missing? was Wolverine there?) it's possible they had the Wake without her even knowing what had happened. (since she was on her "Honeymoon"😉.
Here's the wake:
Originally posted by Newjak
I don't even care about all that. The fact still remains the only reason that BP and Storm even got so involved in Civil War is because he wanted to present some kind of racism on the matter.
The civil war issue could be looked at like the civil rights issue.(Luke Cage's side of the story)
Tony Stark could be seen as the Martin Luther King in this(sign up = nonviolence go along to get along, so to speak. NONTHREATENING, work with the Gov.)
Cap. could be seen as the Malcolm X of the whole thing (This is a bad law/any means (but not really) necessary, hell no we won't go, no justice, just US)
Pro-Reg=Uncle Ruckus
Anti-Reg=Huey
The civil war was a revolution of sorts, and a definite movement.
Originally posted by BlueDMightyExcept Tony created a prison to uphold all the ant-reg against their will and was the cause for GGs rampage, and Bill Fosters death. Cap wanted to save lives even if it meant turning himself in.
The civil war issue could be looked at like the civil rights issue.(Luke Cage's side of the story)Tony Stark could be seen as the Martin Luther King in this(sign up = nonviolence go along to get along, so to speak. NONTHREATENING, work with the Gov.)
Cap. could be seen as the Malcolm X of the whole thing (This is a bad law/any means (but not really) necessary, hell no we won't go, no justice, just US)
Pro-Reg=Uncle Ruckus
Anti-Reg=Huey
The civil war was a revolution of sorts, and a definite movement.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Except Tony created a prison to uphold all the ant-reg against their will and was the cause for GGs rampage, and Bill Fosters death. Cap wanted to save lives even if it meant turning himself in.
Yes, we saw them do these things. but their intial stances, when the war started was just as stated. (fun fact: Martin Luther King started to dought his own wisdom where intergrtion was concerned. in my opinion, that's what got him shot.)
Originally posted by BlueDMightyYou could say that but that still has nothing to do with what I said on the matter.
The civil war issue could be looked at like the civil rights issue.(Luke Cage's side of the story)Tony Stark could be seen as the Martin Luther King in this(sign up = nonviolence go along to get along, so to speak. NONTHREATENING, work with the Gov.)
Cap. could be seen as the Malcolm X of the whole thing (This is a bad law/any means (but not really) necessary, hell no we won't go, no justice, just US)
Pro-Reg=Uncle Ruckus
Anti-Reg=Huey
The civil war was a revolution of sorts, and a definite movement.
I said the only reason BP and Storm got involved with Civil War is because Hudlin specifically wanted to add a racial undertone to it.
Originally posted by Newjak
You could say that but that still has nothing to do with what I said on the matter.I said the only reason BP and Storm got involved with Civil War is because Hudlin specifically wanted to add a racial undertone to it.
I hear you. What I'm saying, is that it already had racial overtones (Luke Cage?)
