Loose Change - 9/11 Documentary
Hopefully someones already posted about this.
Its a documentary suggesting that the american government was responsible for carrying out the 9/11 attacks.
You may be sceptical but I hope you will watch it and make your own mind up.
You can watch it from the site, i think it utilises goggle video.
If you have not seen this , i would suggest you do.
Let me know what you think.
Originally posted by forumcrewI've considered it, And I don't completely rule it out (damn close though), but it's a stupid conspiracy theory. Just like all the conspiracy theories
there are definitely threads on this around here somewhere.Some of it might seem crazy and stupid, but you would be stupid to say it is all 100% false. I think you have to open to all sides of all events or your just being ignorant.
Originally posted by Strangelove
I've considered it, And I don't completely rule it out (damn close though), but it's a stupid conspiracy theory. Just like all the conspiracy theories
There are much better conspiracy movies about the events of 911,do a google video search.Try finding "911 the road to tyranny" for example.
That video is old and utterly stupid. I think Maddox says it best here.
we'll kram3r, it seems that this maddox fellows reasoning for debunking the conspiracy theory is that Dylan ( the film maker) and his family and friends are still alive and that the government have not shut the site down, which seems a little naive to me.
Im not making any claims as to what is true and what is false, but think about it........ perhaps if all of a sudden a filmmaker who made a doc about governmental conspiracies and his family and friends all die in mysterious circumstances, that may invite some further suspicion, also if the goverment tried to prevent this film from being seen, that implicates them and gives validity to the viewpoint contained within.
Maybe this conspiracy theory is a little too scary for maddox and yourself.
Originally posted by papabeardWhile the theory that the Administration used the 9/11 attacks to their political advantage is valid, and very true, the theory that President Bush and his subordinates orchestrated an attack that killed well over 3000 of his own countrymen is despicable. I don't like Bush at all. Call him whatever you want, I won't stop you. But even I wouldn't put him in the same class as genocidal dictators.
Maybe this conspiracy theory is a little too scary for maddox and yourself.
A critical part of the 9//1 conspiracy theory doesn't even hold up to logic. If Bush et al. orchestrated 9/11 to use it as leverage to attack Iraq, why bother bringing Osama bin Laden into it? Why pin it on him? He had nothing to do with Iraq and the Administration knew it. And for that matter, why did Osama confess?
Answer that and I might take the argument with a little more than a grain of salt.
Originally posted by Strangelove
A critical part of the 9//1 conspiracy theory doesn't even hold up to logic. If Bush et al. orchestrated 9/11 to use it as leverage to attack Iraq, why bother bringing Osama bin Laden into it? Why pin it on him? He had nothing to do with Iraq and the Administration knew it. And for that matter, why did Osama confess?Answer that and I might take the argument with a little more than a grain of salt.
With regard to Osama Bin Laden confessing as far as I am aware the evidence of this is a very poor quality video that has someone who looks like Bin Laden claiming they were responsible for orchestrating the attacks.
Now its easy to find a doppelganger for someone ( Dictators, Saddam Hussein in particular employed many doubles sometimes going as far as to make someone have cosmetic surgery to increase the likeness), especially someone who wears headwear and has a beard covering a large portion of his face and neck. I have seen the video of this and have to say that I am not certain it is Bin Laden as he appears much heavier than he does consistently in other images I have seen of him, as well as other visual discrepancies. And of course voice duplication software has been around for years, so it would be easy to make it sound like Bin Laden, and do we even know what Bin Laden sounds like anyway. Also he was one of americas most wanted criminals since around 1997-1998, why was he not apprehended before 2001, when he would have been easy to locate.
Blaming The Taliban and Osama Bin Laden for these attacks makes them "public enemy NO 1" and lend creedence to the need for immediate attacks on Afghanistan to destroy the American assisted Taliban, which in 2001 had become very powerful. They were the obvious choice, as people already belived them to have a hatred towards America.
Also the state of fear induced by these attacks would certainly give the government leverage for attacks on other countries in the middle east, as the population would back any decisions to neutralise outside threats, particularly one as infamous as Saddam Hussein, and coupled with the supposed "threat" of WMD's , gave the US government the evidentiary green light it needed to go ahead with the war in Iraq, but dont forget they laid waste to the Taliban, in the weeks succeeding 9/11, long before they began the war on Iraq.
Its part of a long term plan, and they will use the attacks as leverage for a great many things to come, they have already used it to take away peoples rights to trials , change laws on holding prisoners, introduction of the patriot act, the list goes on and on.
In a document published by a right-wing think tank, which included Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, it was stated that a catastrophic event similar to the attacks on Pearl Harbour could create the right psychological environment in which to implement their future plans. This is long- term covert fascism, "Psy Ops" used on a countries own people, and it takes place so slowly and is so clever you almost wouldnt notice it happening.
In addition to the issue of Osama Bin Laden claiming responsibilty,
a statement was issued to Al Jazzera within days of 09/11/01, allegedly by Osam Bin Laden stating :
" The US government has consistently blamed me for being behind every attack. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations"
Originally posted by papabeardh, so you're going to take the word of a terrorist over the government? Granted, it's not the best government, but still.
In addition to the issue of Osama Bin Laden claiming responsibilty,a statement was issued to Al Jazzera within days of 09/11/01, allegedly by Osam Bin Laden stating :
" The US government has consistently blamed me for being behind every attack. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations"