Loose Change - 9/11 Documentary

To begin understanding how apalling this situation is, we first need to know that there are at least twelve National Guard and Air Force installations in close proximity to the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Plus, Andrews Air Force Base is only ten miles from the heart of Washington, D.C. Why wasn't something done to avert this catastrophe, and why isn't the mainstream media asking some very hard questions regarding this deliberately ordered crime?

Yes, I said crime, and once you get a load of the following timeline, you'll concur with this strong terminology.

Between 7:59 A.M. - 8:10 A.M., the airliners that would ultimately crash into the WTC and the Pentagon were hijacked.

By 8:15 A.M., air traffic controllers knew that the planes were in trouble. At this point, the Air Force should have dispatched, per standard operating procedures, fighters that would determine why these jets veered from their normal route. By 8:15 A.M.!

At 8:45 A.M., - a half-hour later, American Airlines flight 11 struck the WTC's north tower. (This flight took off at exactly 7:59 A.M.), and therefore, the Government knew it was in trouble for at least 35 minutes, if not more. And they did nothing!

At 9:03 A.M., United Airlines flight 175 crashed into the South Tower. (It took off at exactly 8:10 A.M.)

At 9:05 A.M. (supposedly) Andrew Card told President Bush of the unfolding catastrophe. At the same time, American Airlines flight 77 veered off course near Chicago and headed toward Washington, D.C. for an impending attack.

At 9:06 A.M., the New York Daily News reported that on the morning of the attack, the NYPD dispatched a message declaring, "This was a terrorist attack - notify the Pentagon".

Still, NO Air Force jets had yet been scrambled! None. Why?

At 9:35 A.M., American Airlines flight 77, which had been tracked by radar all the way from Chicago, circled the Pentagon, yet this military installation was not evacuated! Plus, the Air Force still hadn't sent out any jets! How completely incredible is this scenario?

A few minutes later with the utmost precision, American Airlines flight 77 drops 7,000 feet in 2 and 1/2 minutes. It is flying so low at this point that the plane is taking out utility poles and clipping trees en route to its target. The jumbo jet finally zeroes in EXACTLY on the Pentagon while traveling at 460 knots (approx 529 mph).

Finally, at 9:40 A.M., a full hour and 31 minutes after the FAA knew that the first airliner had been hijacked.....guess what happened? The Air Force dispatched their jets!

The Pentagon was aware of these hijackings since at least 8:45 A.M., when the first tower was struck (and more likely before then), and yet it took them 55 minutes to take action. 55 minutes! By 8:15 A.M., when the FAA learned of the hijackings, federal law required that the military dispatch planes to either divert the plane's course, or determine the need to shoot them down. This is the normal procedure! But the Pentagon waited until 9:40 A.M. after all the damage was already done.

Who commanded the Air Force to stand down, and why is the media still feeding us the "incompetence" line? The Wright Brothers at Kitty Hawk could have had a plane up in the air in that much time!

Barry Zwicker, a Canadian media analyst, wrote on January 21, 2002:

"That morning no interceptors responded in a timely fashion to the highest alert situation. That includes the Andrews squadron that is only a few miles from the White House. Whatever the explanation for the huge failure, there have been no reports, to my knowledge, of reprimands. This further weakens the incompetence theory! Incompetence usually earns reprimands. This causes me to ask whether there were 'stand down' orders."

We're not being given the entire story because something doesn't add up.

Who in the mainstream media is asking these, and other, pertinent questions? No one!

Who in the Pentagon is answering these questions? No one!

Finally, who in the Pentagon has been made accountable for the Air Force stand-down? Again, no one!

Do you think it's time our Government and the media started addressing these issues? I do.

Crazy and stupid

yes you are

I posted on the last page that N.O.R.A.D was having drill's that were exactly like the event's of 9/11/01 month's before it happened.On the morning of 9/11/01 N.O.R.A.D was having the same exact drill as the event that was taking place.

You ask who was in charge of N.O.R.A.D that day? Dick Cheney was garnted special power's to be in charge of N.O.R.A.D. about 5 month's prior to 9/11/01.This is the first time in the 50+year's of N.O.R.A.D. that someone other then a high ranking USA military official has been in charge of the defense of our skie's.

Dick Cheney ordered N.O.R.A.D. to "stand down" that day.

There were no explosive's in the tower's,anyone who believes that doesn't have much common sense.It takes month's and alot of manpower to set up explosive's.Someone would of leaked info about setting up explosives by now,there would simply have to be to many people involved and who in there right mind would allow themselves to set up explosives to kill thousand's"it simply takes to many people to pull it off"

Believing a bunch of kid's who were barely out of high school that made a conspiracy movie "loose change" is ignorant.Although i give them credit for opening people's mind's.

The airliner's alone is all that was needed to take down those tower's,even if they wouldnt have fallen they would of had to been demolished anyway.

Certain official's and and the world's elitist's new the attack was going to happen and did nothing about it so they could take advantage of it.It is possible that the C.I.A may of orhestrated it but that's really as far as it goe's.

Here's the Dick Cheney/N.O.R.A.D video again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o11u4EW9Hn8

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
To begin understanding how apalling this situation is, we first need to know that there are at least twelve National Guard and Air Force installations in close proximity to the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Plus, Andrews Air Force Base is only ten miles from the heart of Washington, D.C. Why wasn't something done to avert this catastrophe, and why isn't the mainstream media asking some very hard questions regarding this deliberately ordered crime?

Yes, I said crime, and once you get a load of the following timeline, you'll concur with this strong terminology.

Between 7:59 A.M. - 8:10 A.M., the airliners that would ultimately crash into the WTC and the Pentagon were hijacked.

By 8:15 A.M., air traffic controllers knew that the planes were in trouble. At this point, the Air Force should have dispatched, per standard operating procedures, fighters that would determine why these jets veered from their normal route. By 8:15 A.M.!

At 8:45 A.M., - a half-hour later, American Airlines flight 11 struck the WTC's north tower. (This flight took off at exactly 7:59 A.M.), and therefore, the Government knew it was in trouble for at least 35 minutes, if not more. And they did nothing!

your assumptions are based on non facts...just because air traffic control become aware of a hijack situation does not mean the military become aware because civil aviation and military aviation are 2 entirely different entities...

the reality is this

On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.

[QUOTE=8343617]Originally posted by jaden101
your assumptions are based on non facts...just because air traffic control become aware of a hijack situation does not mean the military become aware because civil aviation and military aviation are 2 entirely different entities...

the reality is this

On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them. [/QUOTE

BS^^^^ 14 fighter's in the whole USA?,NORAD stood down and was operating drills that were exactly like the events taking place at the same exact time.The odd's of that are like 1 in a billion.Click that link i posted or do a Google search cause there is alot of info about it.

yes and the same happened at oklahoma and london bombings.
but hey its just a coincidence, nothin to worry about 🙄

Originally posted by jaden101
[B]your assumptions are based on non facts...

Point of fact Jaden.

Dick Cheney wasn't a high ranking military official when he gave the order for the Air Force to stand down. And my question for you would be, WHY DID HE GIVE THE ORDER? Thousands of Americans are dead because of it.

Again, this is not a conspiracy theory.

These are facts.

Did the Air Force respond at all when those planes were in the air? Did they or didn't they? Where is the conspiracy theory that you speak of? All I see are FACTS.

I don't care what airport is packed. Watch what happens if the President's plane (AirForceOne) is ever endangered in any way whatsoever.

Watch how quickly the Air Force will scramble together to get in the air.

Now look at what happened on 9-11. You do the math partner.

Perhaps it wasn't your family members that died on 9-11 in the towers. But it was somebody elses. And those people should be furious about the Government NOT RESPONDING IN ANY WAY to the signs of distress and strange deviations of flight patterns when the FAA AND the Air Force both knew what was going on before it even happened.

So keep telling me excuses for why they didn't perform and go ahead and keep telling me why the order was given for the Air Force to stand down.

"Stand down Air Force", lets watch and see what happens!

How about getting off their asses and up in the air to check out the situation? Rather than watching it all unfold on television!

Is that too much to ask from our Air Force? Oh wait, I forgot, the Air Force didn't have a choice, Cheney told them to stay on the ground during the entire process!

Well, let me give them some credit, they did manage to get up in the air eventually. After everyone was dead.

BS^^^^ 14 fighter's in the whole USA?,NORAD stood down and was operating drills that were exactly like the events taking place at the same exact time.The odd's of that are like 1 in a billion.Click that link i posted or do a Google search cause there is alot of info about it.

there's only a lot of info about it because people like you believe it and continue to peddle it around the internet as if it were fact

the fact that i posted what the actual people involved has publicly stated as opposed to what some conspiracy theorists said apparently makes no difference though

therfore i suggest you read

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

Originally posted by papabeard
www.loosechange911.com/

Hopefully someones already posted about this.

Its a documentary suggesting that the american government was responsible for carrying out the 9/11 attacks.

You may be sceptical but I hope you will watch it and make your own mind up.

You can watch it from the site, i think it utilises goggle video.

If you have not seen this , i would suggest you do.

Let me know what you think.

www.loosechange911.com/

yeah thats a great documentary.it amazes me the people that have come on here posting saying theres nothing to it.people here are so much in denial about this because the truth scares them that they will belive the propagande and lies by the government no matter how absurd and crazy they are and defend it now matter how absurd the governments THEORYS are that Bin Laden was behind it.the conspiracy theorists are the people who peddle that fairy tale that it wasnt the american government behind it all.

Originally posted by Deano
no conspiracy theory. all conspiracy fact. its an agenda. a new world order. its already been mentioned by george bush and other people in power.

and no they didnt just allow it to happen. the people who control the united states orchestrated it. a guy in a cave did not do it, believe me. the 9/11 attacks helped push the agenda forward.

the patheric mainstream media do nothing to research. they just get the 'info' off the politicans and then repeat it to us. jounalists are nothing more than repeaters who do nothing but parrot the official story from the government. if we had real mainstream journalism, these evil bastards could not get away with the atrocitys they commit

oh and its funny, at each of the main 3 terrorist attacks in recent years (oklahoma, 9/11, london bombings) there as been a drill at the exact same time as the attacks. why? you do the math.

and yes the people who are running the world are evil. they dont give a **** about us at all. wake the hell up and look into it yourself. when you do this and when others do this..the manipulation WILL END. YOU WILL NO LONGER BELIEVE THE LIES THEREFORE THERE CAN BE NO MORE WARS WHICH INVOLVE THOUSANDS OF DEATHS, THERE CAN BE NO MORE FREEDOMS TAKEN AWAY.

electing(they are already selected long before) presidents wont end earths woes. god help us all.

FUKIN WAKE UP.

having a different version of reality does not mean people should be branded conspiracy nuts. we all have the right to believe in what we feel is right without hassle. we're not always right but its what we believe is right.

people like papabeard are going in the right direction..he senses something is not right and is willing to investigate further. and then there is people like strangelove that are completely blind and useless. who will ridicule as if he knows everything.

check out this video

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822&q=future+of+mankind

well done Deano.as usual you and Winter have done a great job educating these people and taking them to school. 👆 it amazes me the gullibity of some people here like using popular mechanics as its source to back up their wild claims that theres no evidence there was no government involvement.Popular mechanics has NEVER been an objective source.they have always been a propaganda piece for the government.yeah its good to see that there are people like papabeard who are waking up to this sensing that there is something not quite right and unlike some of these others,willing to be open minded about it and investigate and actually listen to credible sources like loose change.Nice to see that hes not close minded and completely blind about it like strangelove and jaden who like you said,ridicules credible sources like loose change as if they know everything.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
ridicules credible sources like loose change as if they know everything.

Originally posted by NinthSith
I posted on the last page that N.O.R.A.D was having drill's that were exactly like the event's of 9/11/01 month's before it happened.On the morning of 9/11/01 N.O.R.A.D was having the same exact drill as the event that was taking place.

You ask who was in charge of N.O.R.A.D that day? Dick Cheney was garnted special power's to be in charge of N.O.R.A.D. about 5 month's prior to 9/11/01.This is the first time in the 50+year's of N.O.R.A.D. that someone other then a high ranking USA military official has been in charge of the defense of our skie's.

Dick Cheney ordered N.O.R.A.D. to "stand down" that day.

There were no explosive's in the tower's,anyone who believes that doesn't have much common sense.It takes month's and alot of manpower to set up explosive's.Someone would of leaked info about setting up explosives by now,there would simply have to be to many people involved and who in there right mind would allow themselves to set up explosives to kill thousand's"it simply takes to many people to pull it off"

Believing a bunch of kid's who were barely out of high school that made a conspiracy movie "loose change" is ignorant.Although i give them credit for opening people's mind's.

The airliner's alone is all that was needed to take down those tower's,even if they wouldnt have fallen they would of had to been demolished anyway.

Certain official's and and the world's elitist's new the attack was going to happen and did nothing about it so they could take advantage of it.It is possible that the C.I.A may of orhestrated it but that's really as far as it goe's.

Here's the Dick Cheney/N.O.R.A.D video again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o11u4EW9Hn8

wake up and smell the folgers.its not going to take months to do it.There are people who to them,killing people means as little to them as it does for us to step on an ant. 🙄 No anybody who doesnt believe there were explosives doesnt have any common sense.Just one week prior to it all,the bomb squad doges were all called off and there were evacuation drills being done in the towers according to the survivors.perfect time to have many people in there planting the explosives.your also forgetting that George Bushs cousin was in charge of security for the towers.Yeah Dick cheney ordered them to stand down because he did not want the fighters to shoot down the planes that were going to ram into the towers.Cheney is involved in this up to his ears.you talk as though its impossible for people to keep secrets with that crazy notion that somone would have leaked it by now that they helped set off explosives.No the airliners alone could not have takedn down the towers.the towers were designed to withstand that kind of impact although people here dont want to believe it and will listen to the tales given to them by the government.Leslie Robertsonthe designer is even on tape inititally saying they were built to withstand the impact.Later on he changed his story because the government obviously got to him.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I'm sorry.....credible sources like Loose Change? It's a shitty documentary filled with a bunch of tenuous (at best) claims. 🙄

someone like you who is so close minded it doesnt surprise me to hear that from YOU.however thankfully I know many people who initally they could not believe it when i told them to not to listen to the official version and that it was the government behind it all,they did not listen to me at first but thankfully they are logical enough people who after they checked out that video,they were smart enough to come to their senses that 9-11 was indeed an inside job.For a long time they would not listen to me but thankfully unlike you,they have enough smarts to now know it was an inside job because that video changed their minds when they checked it out.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
well done Deano.as usual you and Winter have done a great job educating these people and taking them to school. 👆 it amazes me the gullibity of some people here like using popular mechanics as its source to back up their wild claims that theres no evidence there was no government involvement.Popular mechanics has NEVER been an objective source.they have always been a propaganda piece for the government.yeah its good to see that there are people like papabeard who are waking up to this sensing that there is something not quite right and unlike some of these others,willing to be open minded about it and investigate and actually listen to credible sources like loose change.Nice to see that hes not close minded and completely blind about it like strangelove and jaden who like you said,ridicules credible sources like loose change as if they know everything.

hahaha...you're a funny man aren't you?

i honestly cant tell whether you're being sarcastic or not...very good youngster...you'll go far

Did anyone see the doc on BBC2 on sunday night, refuting many of the facts in Loose Change and from other sources in the 9/11 conspiracy movement?

Just wondering what people thought of the facts used to discredit the claims made in Loose Change.