Subcultures

Originally posted by The Libertine
I'm not reading either I have read all three, but I was alluding to Stanley via Westman. It is homework then? I was only kidding earlier. 😛

Nope. Its an assesment. But only part of course as you can tell. Im only intersted in what people think about subcultures and deviance.

Im writing a lenghty essay on Cultural Criminology, its contemporary nature and implications (since that is my position at the moment, while I very much appreciate Marxist ideas on society and crime, respectivelly).

I am currently flicking through Ferrell's and Presdee's work, in regards to implications of Media.
My main focus is, criminology as a whole, ie law deciding, what ones see as criminal, criminal behaviour or subcultures and of course media representations.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Nope. Its an assesment. But only part of course as you can tell. Im only intersted in what people think about subcultures and deviance.

Im writing a lenghty essay on Cultural Criminology, its contemporary nature and implications (since that is my position at the moment, while I very much appreciate Marxist ideas on society and crime, respectivelly).

I am currently flicking through Ferrell's and Presdee's work, in regards to implications of Media.
My main focus is, criminology as a whole, ie law deciding, what ones see as criminal, criminal behaviour or subcultures and of course media representations.

It actually sounds pretty interesting. I'll have a think about it and reply properly in that case. Have a good day!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
But do you not believe that subcultures such as ''bad ass hip hop gangster of 50 cent crew'' has embodied just that into their subculture?

Meh, I say it's an energy thing, most of us only have the energy to rise so far because the struggle is so great.

Anyone ever see "My Dinner With Andre?" Great movie.

Originally posted by Mindship
It's more "in your face" in this subculture, yes.

Agreed. It takes energy to be more conscious of one's motivations, the whats, the whys, of the choices we make and their consequences. And like you, I do Not choose to "empower myself" at the expense of others, if it's at all avoidable. That makes me a "fringe" citizen: someone who doesn't fully embrace society's favorite status-signals.

Anyone ever see "My Dinner With Andre?" Great movie.

Actually it makes you an immoral parasite, but close enough I guess.

The way you mean it at last.

Bardock, man, and I thought my Britney Spears/Big Bird sig and avi combo was bad!!

Originally posted by botankus
Bardock, man, and I thought my Britney Spears/Big Bird sig and avi combo was bad!!

I like it.

It's a great sig, don't get me wrong. It's just not as good as this:

Originally posted by botankus
It's a great sig, don't get me wrong. It's just not as good as this:

That you have to discuss with Scottie.

I did think about going back to this one:

That wass horrible, what about one without...the gay shit?

I agree, Mr. Hello Kitty avatar. What would you recommend?

Originally posted by botankus
I agree, Mr. Hello Kitty avatar. What would you recommend?

I don't know, I can't imagine you without a horribly homosexual sig anymore.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually it makes you an immoral parasite, but close enough I guess.
The way you mean it at last.

Originally posted by Mindship
"Immoral parasite?" 🤨 You're gonna have to explain that one.

You don't use your fellow people jsut because you excel in something and produce value. That they happen to not be good enough to do it themselves just shows that they don't deserve it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I think it can do in the case of hip hop. Everbody wants to be a gangster, even if their not deprived.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I like it.

I wouldn't trust her, Bardock. I only know 2 things about the OTF, and one of them is this: The Sanctuary and Friends thread was created by Melinda Warren, who was ruthlessly kicked to the curb after she did all the work setting up the thread. If you look at Melinda Warren's last posts, it's like watching a dying man's last breaths.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You don't use your fellow people jsut because you excel in something and produce value.

That they happen to not be good enough to do it themselves just shows that they don't deserve it.

Originally posted by Mindship
If I'm understanding you correctly, then, 'tis true, I don't.

Not sure I agree with this one. There are indeed a lot of true parasites out there, but on the other hand, as Libertine mentioned, sometimes things just don't go a person's way...not that That is a lock-solid excuse not to take responsibility for one's life. Some would just see the extra obstacles as all the greater challenge.

I agree that in our society lots of things go wrong. But in a true capitalistic society the people that deserve most would get most.

So, you want people on line to do your homework, are you going to use citations or just plagiarize?

Either way, here's what I think: (tell'm oncewhite said it in your paper, lol, i'm kidding, you can use anything that's helpful for you)

law deciding, what ones see as criminal, criminal behaviour or subcultures and of course media representations

Law deciding:

A good discussion about this is philosophy, if you read some French philosophers (before their revolution/civil war) , you'll run into the philosophy of weather criminals are tainted by their genes or if they were effected by their environment. The genetic aspect has always been a forefront issue with the Europeans, so much so, that punishment by death or torture seemed reasonable in certain eras. It makes sense, as sad as it maybe, if one is "bad" because it is inherently so, then wiping them or torturing them is reasonable under their type of thinking. However, if people aren't inherently bad, and they have an option to change, then torturing them seems to be unusual punishment, and is a plausible reason why the INTERPRETATION OF what is good punishment for breaking the law comes into mind. Les Miserabe is a great example. Look at the main character, as he was a man who stole bread b/c he was hungry, but during that time, INTERPRETATION of law was not important, it didn't matter WHY you stole, just that you stole, so therefore, you have the same character as all criminals and go to the same jail, so he was in debtors camp digging ditches, and you can watch the movie and see what happens, as they have a prostitute as a character, and he ends up being friends with her, all of their problems seem to be centered around poverty, as her excuse for prostitution was to feed herself, but the people around her saw her as a lower dimension and therefore, could be beaten on or spit on without restraint. And remember, in old European society, you were just as guilty as your parents, so if you dad was a bad person, his blot is on his son. WE all know that isn't fair, but that was a common mentality back then.

And let's take slavery in the America, some states didn't have laws against interracial marriages, but some states did, same with sodomy and other laws that was enacted. it depends on what's going on, if I see a law on the books, it tells me that there was probably a large portion of the population that was doing that particular act, so you can tell a lot about the past societies in different states just by studying the laws that was passed, it tells us alot about the prevalent acts but also, about the interpretation of these acts and the need to control it for the next generation.

I could talk more about this, but I will let you decipher all of this jumbled up information.

Its not my ''homework'' - I have passed doing homework 5 years ago.

I don't really need theoretical perspective or philosphies, I kow all my theory - I need to know how YOU (persumably, non-criminals) view the world of subcultures, presented in the first post, as criminal and do YOU think it causes criminal behaviour.

For example - a lot of people thought Marylin Manson and Goth subculture were doomed homocidal maniacs who are gonna all go back to school one day and shoot everyone - that still stands in a lot of cases.

So...anyone else on subcultures?