And isn't the fight against Luke a little bit misplaced, we are talking about possibly the strongest Jedi to have lived, mean look at what he has accomplished and what he is capable of, Exar Kun is a favorite character of mine too, but nowhere Near Luke Skywalker that was capable of distorting a Force Storm created by Palpatine, I would like to see Jacen ore Exar for that matter pul that off,
The way I see it Exar is stronger then Jacen when it comes down to use of the Force, Exar has the amulet and a great understanding of the dark side (attrived from Naga Shadow and Freedon Nadd), this combined will be capable of defeating Jacen.
By lightsaber duel I am puzzeld both are great swordsmen in each respected period, It basically comes down to weather, Jacen will be capable of defeating himself against a doublebladed weapon, I think he will and therefore gives this to Jacen.
The last one the overall I simply haven't the experties too come with a satisfing answear, but Jacen would be the most likely candidate he is after all grandson of the Chosen One.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
....being outmatched by Luke means Jacen is less deadly than Kun? Luke feels how powerful Jacen is several times over and Jacen feats are far more impressive. DS's ponytail fetish won't change that
Neither will lightsnake's denial and verbal fellatio of Jacen Solo. The sad this is that anytime you're being outdebated, someone apparently is a fanboy when there is only one clear fanboy here and we all know who that is, and it's evident in all of your posts. Now please hush, unless you want to continue arguing out of your ass and losing.
Btw, just because you believe Jacen has had more impressive feats(using feat wars in a lost argument is sad) in your own little twisted mind, doesn't make it so. Too bad you can't come up with an argument, but I expect your witty retort to be a complete replica of what I said back to me, mixed with a hint of denial.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
You go back to fantasizing about ponytails. Also, take a debate course or two.
Repeating what I said, living in denial, I rest my case. Stop embarassing yourself by making me seem like a psychic lightsnake. You've lost the debate, get over it or whine like a little girl. Either way your posts are both sad AND Hilarious, stupid delusional fanboy.
Originally posted by Utrigita
And isn't the fight against Luke a little bit misplaced, we are talking about possibly the strongest Jedi to have lived, mean look at what he has accomplished and what he is capable of, Exar Kun is a favorite character of mine too, but nowhere Near Luke Skywalker that was capable of distorting a Force Storm created by Palpatine, I would like to see Jacen ore Exar for that matter pul that off,
Originally posted by Utrigita
The way I see it Exar is stronger then Jacen when it comes down to use of the Force, Exar has the amulet and a great understanding of the dark side (attrived from Naga Shadow and Freedon Nadd), this combined will be capable of defeating Jacen.
Originally posted by Utrigita
By lightsaber duel I am puzzeld both are great swordsmen in each respected period, It basically comes down to weather, Jacen will be capable of defeating himself against a doublebladed weapon, I think he will and therefore gives this to Jacen.
Originally posted by Utrigita
The last one the overall I simply haven't the experties too come with a satisfing answear, but Jacen would be the most likely candidate he is after all grandson of the Chosen One.
Just because he is grandson of The Chosen One, so it means that he has the upper hand?
I understand that Jacen will be a big threat to Exar Kun but Kun still has the upperhand. He knows some techniques that even Luke could not defend against.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Luke is not like a God.
You have a point here. After what Exar (as a 4000 year old spirit) did to DE Luke, I don't see that he is weak in the Force.
No! Exar Kun was also a superb swordsman. I don't see Jacen having an upper hand even in this case.
What kind of logic is this?Just because he is grandson of The Chosen One, so it means that he has the upper hand?
I understand that Jacen will be a big threat to Exar Kun but Kun still has the upperhand. He knows some techniques that even Luke could not defend against.
Too bad you don't know Jacen's potential lightsnake. Jacen's force knowledge exceeds anybody elses in terms of overall variety, that is ALL. Kun's force knowledge pertaining to combat FAR trumps Jacen's. I find it funny and at the same time pathetic when you lose an argument or can't make an argument for your favorite characters, and as a result you go on the defensive, degrading characters you don't like. It makes you seem childish and pathetic, considering the great lengths you go to to tell yourself you can debate, can win debates, and that your characters are the best.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
He's the most powerful being in SW. Period
Originally posted by Lightsnake
You mean attacked him from behind when he wasdistracted with Kyp whom he didn't want to hurt?
Did battle between Luke and possessed Kyp not took place?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Jacen's a great swordsman, too, so what? Jacen's destroyed Slayers head on, as well as having gone to head with Tsavong Lah
Originally posted by Lightsnake
would you bother actually LISTENING?
This is Luke decades before, when his knowledge base was much smaller, and Jacen's knowledge base is great in itself considering by NJO alone. And Exar ATTACKED HIM FROM BEHIND WHEN HE WAS DISTRACTED, they did not face one another head on. Otherwise, Exar's spirit would've been obliterated.
And DE Luke is not that far behind from the NJO Luke.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And how does Exar have the upper hand? His speshul Ancient knowledge? His DBL? His ponytail?
Jacen's potential far exceeds Exar's, and he's doing a damn fine job realizing it
And how do you know that Jacen's potential was far greater then that of Kun? Stop making baseless assumptions.
You also said that Jacen could contend with Luke in a fight and yet someone destroyed this arguement right on your face. So stop fooling people around.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Luke is not like a God.You have a point here. After what Exar (as a 4000 year old spirit) did to DE Luke, I don't see that he is weak in the Force.
No! Exar Kun was also a superb swordsman. I don't see Jacen having an upper hand even in this case.
What kind of logic is this?
Just because he is grandson of The Chosen One, so it means that he has the upper hand?
I understand that Jacen will be a big threat to Exar Kun but Kun still has the upper hand. He knows some techniques that even Luke could not defend against.
It wasn't my wish to make Luke look like a god, I mealy pointed out that Luke is far more stronger in the force then either of the discussed and constantly evolved and quickly learning strong feats in the force, I just pointed out him disrupting a force storm.
Thanks Luke tuned on his lightsaber and Kyp Durron turned to face him and used his powers to strangle the Lightsaber in Darkside energy and then used Dark Snakes ore something like that to put Luke into trance. I am sorry but I would like the passage LS where Exar Kun attacks Luke from behind because it isn't on the top of the Temple.
They are both great Swordsmen what I am saying is that we have very little information on either, on sabercombat stile, Exar Kun defeated many jedies yes, and Jacen was already shortly after having build his lightsaber good at using it. But from there to say that Exar Kun was a superb Swordsman and him having the upper hand I disagree on, we doesn't see him preform some great and marvelous feats, remember it was first with his DoubleBladed Sword that he really became dangerous, I believe he was the first to wield it, this of cause say something about his saberskill be equal of his arrogance the doublebladed weapon was never to be used in battle but mealy for practice, using it require great skill and equal arrogance to think you can. (doesn't look like Maul only wielded by one hand)
By saying the Chosen One I was saying that his potential Force Potential possibly would be higher the last was a overall and taking the above listed feats into consideration, I assumed that Jacen would have higher Raw force potential, but not necessary be best at using it in a Force battle.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How huge is this gap?Some feats based comparison will be appreciated.
Quite huge actually. He literally became a force god by NJO, mainly the Vong War, and even more powerful by the Dark Nest Crisis. You can look his feats up on wiki or star wars wiki because they're all accurate.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Quite huge actually. He literally became a force god by NJO, mainly the Vong War, and even more powerful by the Dark Nest Crisis. You can look his feats up on wiki or star wars wiki because they're all accurate.
DE Luke was already impressive and faster then a normal eye could see.
Originally posted by Darth SexyThe only thing in accurate bout wiki is when they claimed luke wielded 20 sabers which didnt happen according to what i read, he was just badass fast killing vong after vong and jacen stated luke might as well hold 20 sabers because luke is so damm fast
Quite huge actually. He literally became a force god by NJO, mainly the Vong War, and even more powerful by the Dark Nest Crisis. You can look his feats up on wiki or star wars wiki because they're all accurate.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you think that I don't know this?
Was Kyp not possessed by Kun's spirit?Did battle between Luke and possessed Kyp not took place?
Kyp was never possessed, thank you. When the battle was taking place, Kun attacked Luke from behind.
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And Slayers are the most martial beings in the entire Star Wars Saga? Obviously a flawed assumption.
Another flawed assumption that Kun's spirit would be destroyed by Luke in a direct confrontation. How do you know this?
And DE Luke is not that far behind from the NJO Luke.
And how does Jacen has the upperhand? Because he fought and killed some slayers? Pathetic analysis indeed.
And how do you know that Jacen's potential was far greater then that of Kun? Stop making baseless assumptions.
You also said that Jacen could contend with Luke in a fight and yet someone destroyed this arguement right on your face. So stop fooling people around.
Lightsnake, nobody cares if Kun killed anyone that wasn't of consequence(which is your opinion). Not only is that a poor argument but it is also irrelevant and it has no bearing on who is more powerful. Luke thinking Jacen MIGHT rival him(prove it) also means little in a fight between Kun and Jacen. I suppose Kyp>Kun too since Luke at one point thought he would rival him. It's already been established that Kun has more offensive weapons, and more darkside techniques, while Jacen hasn't shown much, or as much against force users. He can have all the knowledge of the 'unifying force' that he desires, yet it won't matter when Kun tools him.
Lightsnake, 1 question, where is it said that Luke definitely has a higher potential than anyone other than Anakin? It's pretty clear that Anakin had the highest, but for all you know, there were a select few that had a potential just below his (Bane, Zannah, Exar Kun, Revan, Kyp Durron), and it's certainly possible that Luke doesn't even have half the potential Anakin has.