Jacen Solo vs. Exar Kun · Star Wars Versus Forum

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Kyp was never possessed, thank you. When the battle was taking place, Kun attacked Luke from behind.
something indecipherable?

And your mighty Luke failed to counter his attack. Wasn't Luke lot more powerful then Kun and Kyp at that time in your eyes and should have tooled them both?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Lol. Top warriors of the elite Yuuzhan VOng warrior class, when one of the top Jedi Masters of the NJO couldn't even take a dying one, with skin almost saber resistant?
Yeah. Right.

They were good but they still had some weaknesses that got exploited and resulted in their failure. Again, Exar Kun > Slayer by a good margin.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because Luke is much more powerful than Kun? If Kun could take Luke in a fair confrontation from the start, he would have

Again, you don't know that DE Luke is much more powerful then Kun. And DLOTS Kun would have won in a direct one-on-one confrontation against DE Luke because of his special Dark Side Techniques (that Luke could not defend against).

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I love your evidence!

You provide me a better one then.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why does Kun? He's 'speshul?' He killed people of no significance whatsoever?
We SAW what slayers were capable of

People of no significance in your eyes actually. And how about that senate episode?

And Slayers were capable of killing Jedi. So were Mandalorians and some other powerful races. And still all ended up banged by powerful Jedi. Nothing new!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He's a Skywalker, for one, and Luke believes Jacen's potential rivals his own.

Yeah! he is a skywalker so he rules! 🙄

And Luke considered Kyp to be his rival too. Guess what? Luke is more powerful then Jacen and even Kyp.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Um...no? If Glentract posts the rest of that, I'm sure we'll see the rest.
Luke himself seems to feel Jacen would be a problem for him. Is Luke just humble? Hm.

Glentract destroyed your old argument of over-hyping of Jacen.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And your mighty Luke failed to counter his attack. Wasn't Luke lot more powerful then Kun and Kyp at that time in your eyes and should have tooled them both?

Stop being dense.
Luke was busy with Kyp when Kun's attack hit him. We see Kol Skywalker deflecting lightning at one point...how does he die? He's HIT BY FORCE LIGHTNING. How the **** do you counter what's already hit you?

They were good but they still had some weaknesses that got exploited and resulted in their failure. Again, Exar Kun > Slayer by a good margin.

What weaknesses? Being outfought by a superior? What exactly are these weaknesses?
Please

Again, you don't know that DE Luke is much more powerful then Kun. And DLOTS Kun would have won in a direct one-on-one confrontation against DE Luke because of his special Dark Side Techniques (that Luke could not defend against).

Luke can apparently stand to Palpatine, who's the strongest Sith ever by a nice margin.
And Luke, for the last effing time, was caught off guard and hit from behind, with no chance to defend himself. Now, are you going to stop being stupid?

You provide me a better one then.

Make your own argument. Then I'll destroy it

People of no significance in your eyes actually. And how about that senate episode?

Wow...he could control less than 4,000 people....Joruus C'Baoth and Palpatine put that to shame

And Slayers were capable of killing Jedi. So were Mandalorians and some other powerful races. And still all ended up banged by powerful Jedi. Nothing new!

Huh, funny...we saw Jedi destroying Mandalorians in HUGE numbers beforehand-Komari vosa killed twenty at one point- and funny how only the Skywalkers could fight the slayers.
Kyp Durron, one of the strongest Jedi who ever lived couldn't even defeat a dying, poisoned Slayer.

Yeah! he is a skywalker so he rules! 🙄

That's the way it works.

And Luke considered Kyp to be his rival too. Guess what? Luke is more powerful then Jacen and even Kyp.

Funny, now...I recall all that 'Kyp close to Luke' BS from KYP'S POV...and what'd Allston say? Kyp just thinks he's near Luke.
Luke is absolutely worried about Jacen

Glentract destroyed your old argument of over-hyping of Jacen.

I think I'll trust Luke before I trust you and him

Utrigita Senior Member

Originally posted by allfg
Lightsnake, 1 question, where is it said that Luke definitely has a higher potential than anyone other than Anakin? It's pretty clear that Anakin had the highest, but for all you know, there were a select few that had a potential just below his (Bane, Zannah, Exar Kun, Revan, Kyp Durron), and it's certainly possible that Luke doesn't even have half the potential Anakin has.

And it is also possible that the possesses anakins times a thousands who knows, and yet Sidious saw Luke as the greatest threat in the movies, having had a encounter with Yoda, and still saw Luke as the most potent threat and the a great apprentice considering how Anakin was looked apon by Sidious in the Movies then brush him away to get Luke I think it speaks quiet clearly for Lukes potential.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Stop being dense.
Luke was busy with Kyp when Kun's attack hit him. We see Kol Skywalker deflecting lightning at one point...how does he die? He's HIT BY FORCE LIGHTNING. How the **** do you counter what's already hit you?

The way you portray Luke, he should win in any situation.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
What weaknesses? Being outfought by a superior? What exactly are these weaknesses?
Please

The crab armour had weak points at the armpit and inner hip where the segments joined. And Slayers despite being exceptional warriors have not been known to kill Jedi in open combat.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Luke can apparently stand to Palpatine, who's the strongest Sith ever by a nice margin.
And Luke, for the last effing time, was caught off guard and hit from behind, with no chance to defend himself. Now, are you going to stop being stupid?

Kun is among the TOP Sith too.

Luke could have sensed Kun's spirit and destroyed it before it touched him. No wait! he was distracted! So he was not extra-ordinary.

Stop degrading Kun and I will stop.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Make your own argument. Then I'll destroy it

No! you provide me a comparison of power between DE Luke and NJO Luke.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Wow...he could control less than 4,000 people....Joruus C'Baoth and Palpatine put that to shame

Numbers of irrelevant. Thousands of people present there were no match for him.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Huh, funny...we saw Jedi destroying Mandalorians in HUGE numbers beforehand-Komari vosa killed twenty at one point- and funny how only the Skywalkers could fight the slayers.
Kyp Durron, one of the strongest Jedi who ever lived couldn't even defeat a dying, poisoned Slayer.

No matter what you say, Slayers ended up being defeated and thus proved to be no better then others.

And Kyp's fighting skills are not so elite then. Jacen and Luke did well against the Slayers, so they proved to be better fighters then Kyp.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's the way it works.

In your mind.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Funny, now...I recall all that 'Kyp close to Luke' BS from KYP'S POV...and what'd Allston say? Kyp just thinks he's near Luke.
Luke is absolutely worried about Jacen

Kyp's Force Mastery is close to that of Luke's. Jacen is not close yet and Luke is more worried about Jacen's fall to Dark Side.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I think I'll trust Luke before I trust you and him

Hmm! Fanboyism at its best.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The way you portray Luke, he should win in any situation.

In a straight up fair fight? Yes. When distracted, double teamed and surprised from behind? Different story

The crab armour had weak points at the armpit and inner hip where the segments joined. And Slayers despite being exceptional warriors have not been known to kill Jedi in open combat.

Because they were only employed in two instances. Secondly, they don't wear armor. Know why? Because their skin is like Vong armor. they have no weakpoints because they've been changed a lot. a lightsaber slashed over their chest left only a small furrow.
Kun is among the TOP Sith too.
Luke could have sensed Kun's spirit and destroyed it before it touched him. No wait! he was distracted! So he was not extra-ordinary.

You mean while he was busy with Kyp? How the hell does one sense a Force Ghost all of a sudden? PErhaps you can educate me? By this logic, no issues sniffing out FREEDON NADD for experienced Jedi Masters on Onderon...
Geez....lame point

Stop degrading Kun and I will stop.

losing against Jacen isn't degrading

No! you provide me a comparison of power between DE Luke and NJO Luke.

Twenty something years and more impressive feats.

Numbers of irrelevant. Thousands of people present there were no match for him.

Thousands of ordinary humans. Trillions of minds were apparently no match for Palpatine...tens of thousands no match for C'baoth. So?

No matter what you say, Slayers ended up being defeated and thus proved to be no better then others.

Defeated by...Jacen and Luke....is this not telling you anything? Seriously?

And Kyp's fighting skills are not so elite then. Jacen and Luke did well against the Slayers, so they proved to be better fighters then Kyp.

Is the point I'm making over your head completely? Kyp was one of the top Jedi ever by that point and has displayed extreme power. That Jacen can take on several creatures when Kyp can't kill a dying one is extreme evidence to Jacen's ability

In your mind.

Fact

Kyp's Force Mastery is close to that of Luke's. Jacen is not close yet and Luke is more worried about Jacen's fall to Dark Side.

No, no Kyp's not. According to Allston: all that is from Kyp's POV alone and Kyp only thinks he's that good.
Corran Horn thought the same for a while. Then he realized he'd only be good to hold Luke's cloak for him

Hmm! Fanboyism at its best.

Trusting Luke's dialogue on Jacen?
Right

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This is ridiculous. Jacen's potential is unknown. Jacen's overall force knowledge exceeds even Luke's but that doesn't equate to combat. Kun easily trumps Jacen in offensive force abilities and dark side knowledge. Kun is a better lightsaber duelist than Jacen. And for you to "destroy" an argument lightsnake, you'd have to make a better one than anyone here, which you haven't.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Lightsnake
In a straight up fair fight? Yes. When distracted, double teamed and surprised from behind? Different story

And who made things unfavourable for Luke so that Luke would be defeated? It was kun.

Kun over-powered Kyp so that Luke won't be able to defeat him and then he himself attacked Luke and it was game-over. Now you understand the bigger picture? The point is that Kun (even as a spirit) posed a major threat to Luke.

And you can't precisely say that how fight between DE Luke and Kun would have turned out.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because they were only employed in two instances. Secondly, they don't wear armor. Know why? Because their skin is like Vong armor. they have no weakpoints because they've been changed a lot. a lightsaber slashed over their chest left only a small furrow.

Jacen and Luke managed to kill them, didn't they? So their armours were not 100% Saber resistant.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
You mean while he was busy with Kyp? How the hell does one sense a Force Ghost all of a sudden? PErhaps you can educate me? By this logic, no issues sniffing out FREEDON NADD for experienced Jedi Masters on Onderon...
Geez....lame point

Well it was his weakness that he could not fully sense the presense of a Force Ghost or he would have reacted differently or adopted a different strategy. Thus Kun took advantage and struck.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
losing against Jacen isn't degrading

Kun has upperhand over Jacen.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Twenty something years and more impressive feats.

Time is irrelevant. And what are these more impressive feats?

If killing many Vong is one of these feats then DE Luke could also do that because he was already faster then a normal eye could see and was matching palpatine in Saber Skills.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Thousands of ordinary humans. Trillions of minds were apparently no match for Palpatine...tens of thousands no match for C'baoth. So?

Thousands of ordinary humans and those Jedi as well who tried to stop him.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Defeated by...Jacen and Luke....is this not telling you anything? Seriously?

Luke's case can be understood. Jacen is far inferior to Luke in Saber Skills as proved by Glanteract. So I still have some doubts about these so called invincible Slayers who have not been known to kill a single Jedi.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Is the point I'm making over your head completely? Kyp was one of the top Jedi ever by that point and has displayed extreme power. That Jacen can take on several creatures when Kyp can't kill a dying one is extreme evidence to Jacen's ability

Kyp's Force Mastery is irrelevant in case of his Saber Skills. Jacen and Luke proved to be much better then him in Saber Combat.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Fact

In your mind.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, no Kyp's not. According to Allston: all that is from Kyp's POV alone and Kyp only thinks he's that good.
Corran Horn thought the same for a while. Then he realized he'd only be good to hold Luke's cloak for him

Kyp's Force Mastery does rivals that of Luke but not his Saber Skills.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Trusting Luke's dialogue on Jacen?
Right

Glentract's point (which he took from a canon source) have proved you wrong already.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And who made things unfavourable for Luke so that Luke would be defeated? It was kun.

How, exactly?
Dude, if someone can deflect a bullet, it won't help if a sniper takes a shot at their back in a swordfight

Kun over-powered Kyp so that Luke won't be able to defeat him and then he himself attacked Luke and it was game-over. Now you understand the bigger picture?

Um, Luke would defeat Kun without much fuss. He didn't want to hurt Kyp, at all.
See my analogy

And you can't precisely say that how fight between DE Luke and Kun would have turned out.

I can tell it's likely Luke would defeat him.

Jacen and Luke managed to kill them, didn't they? So their armours were not 100% Saber resistant.

Mainly because they were striking with enough force and skill

Well it was his weakness that he could not fully sense the presense of a Force Ghost or he would have reacted differently or adopted a different strategy. Thus Kun took advantage and struck.

What the hell? Luke was busy with Kyp...you can't expect a distracted master focused on something to not sense a Force Ghost...hell, what's next....Yoda and Mace are weak for not sensing Palp?

Kun has upperhand over Jacen.

Um, how?

Time is irrelevant. And what are these more impressive feats?

Time to power is way relevant...don't see DE Luke using Emerald Lightning instakills or one saber as if it's twenty

And if killing many Vong is one of those then DE Luke could also do that because he was already faster then a normal eye could see and was matching palpatine in Saber Skills.

Yep, true.

Thousands of ordinary humans and those Jedi as well who tried to stop him.

1. Kun controlled far less ordinary humans than Palp or Joruus did.
2. That freezing did nothing to the Jedi

Luke's case is understanable. Jacen is far inferior to Luke in Saber Skills as proved by Glanteract. So I still have some doubts about these so called invincible Slayers who have not been known to kill a single Jedi.

How was it proved? a Dark Side Luke testing him?
And again: the Slayers were shown to fight twice and a dying one CRUSHED KYP DURRON IN COMBAT

Kyp's Force Mastery is irrelevant in case of his Saber Skills. Jacen and Luke proved to be much better then him in Saber Combat.

and considering Kyp is one of the best around period, that says a lot

In your mind.

Please...provide a counter

Kyp's Force Mastery does rivals that of Luke but not his Saber Skills.

Noone's saber skills rival Luke's.

Glentract's point (which he took from a canon source) have proved you wrong already.

Yeah. you mean a small piece of the big picture? Or how luke does seem to think Jacen's second only to him?

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Originally posted by Lightsnake
Um, Luke would defeat Kun without much fuss. He didn't want to hurt Kyp, at all.

DE Luke would defeat a full bodied Exar Kun? What are YOU smoking?
[quote]I can tell it's likely Luke would defeat him.

again what are you smoking

1. Kun controlled far less ordinary humans than Palp or Joruus did.

Really? Because there were more people in the fleet Joruus controlled than there were in the entire senate chamber? Lets try that one again.

Yeah. you mean a small piece of the big picture? Or how luke does seem to think Jacen's second only to him? [/B]

Is this the best you can do? Luke thinking Jacen rivals him=superiority to Kun? Lets be serious now. Again, Luke thought the same with Kyp, should we consider him superior to Kun too? Please.

The fact is Kun has more offensive weapons pertaining to combat, the end. If you can't deal with that, it's your problem.

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DE Luke being boosted by the entire lightside plus Liea and baby Anakin > Kun, anyday of the week

DE Luke at really any other point, not so much.

Darth_Glentract The Truest Sith Lord

How, exactly?
Dude, if someone can deflect a bullet, it won't help if a sniper takes a shot at their back in a swordfight

The bottom line is that the book specifically stated that nothing Yoda or Ben had taught Luke was capable of defending him from Exar's attack. Even if Luke had been ready for it he didn't know the defense against it.

Lightsnake Senior Member

After he was hit? Yeah. Nothing's going to help him, then. I saw Kol Skywalker die under similar circumstances and he'd just been deflecting lightning a few pages ago

Darth_Glentract The Truest Sith Lord

Wrong. What it says is that nothing Yoda or Ben had taught Luke could be used to protect him. It doesn't matter if Exar had been like, "Hey, uh, I'm gonna use some weird technique on you in about fifteen minutes. Just thought I'd let you know. Maybe you could work up a defense or something." Luke still would have been screwed because he had no idea how to block it. There might not be any defense against it period. Remember Traya's saying, "there are techniques in the Force against which there is no defense." Luke would be screwed no matter what.

Lightsnake Senior Member

because he was, A. Hit already-notice that 'nothing worked bit' happens...after he was hit? and he was with Ben for....a few days? Yoda for a month max? I'm sure what to do incase you fight an ancient Sith spirit was top of the priorities

Yeah, Glentract, love the blatant Exar bias. And considering Traya was referring to Nihilus's technique...Luke would obliterate Exar head on with a simple Force Light.

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blatant Exar Kun bias? I could just as well turn it around and say that you're a Jacen Solo fanboy, yet we can me a case for Exar Kun pwning Jacen.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Lightsnake
How, exactly?
Dude, if someone can deflect a bullet, it won't help if a sniper takes a shot at their back in a swordfight

What are you - 2 years old?

Kun over-powered Luke's favourite student so that Luke won't be able to pawn him. Then when Luke was engaged with this over-powered Kyp, Kun decided to end the fight quickly my making his own move. This entire scenario clearly shows that Kun made things un-easier for Luke and created such circumstances in which he would easily defeat Luke and he succeeded with ease. So my point stands that Kun even as a spirit was a major threat to Luke.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Um, Luke would defeat Kun without much fuss. He didn't want to hurt Kyp, at all.
See my analogy

He did not wanted to hurt Kyp but was he ready to die by him as well? NO!

And DE Luke won't be able to beat physical Kun because he knows no defense against Kun's special DS techniques that Kun used on him. Also Amulets ring some bells.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I can tell it's likely Luke would defeat him.

This is your arguement? Empty Claims.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Mainly because they were striking with enough force and skill

Or they were much better fighters then Kyp.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
What the hell? Luke was busy with Kyp...you can't expect a distracted master focused on something to not sense a Force Ghost...hell, what's next....Yoda and Mace are weak for not sensing Palp?

Even in a straight up fight Luke would have lost because of the reason that I have described above.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Um, how?

Advantage of Amulets and knowledge of more dangerous DS techniques, that even Luke could not defend against. And Kun is an exceptional match for him even in Saber Combat. Jacen holds no noticeable advantage over Kun, so you should give up.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Time to power is way relevant...don't see DE Luke using Emerald Lightning instakills or one saber as if it's twenty

Constant learning is what helps and not time period.

OK! Emerald Lightning is one feat, so this is one advantage he has.

Regarding Saber Skills, DE Luke was not far behind his NJO counter-part because he was already a match for palpatine's Saber Skills and DE palpatine is not so behind NJO Luke in Saber skills, because both DE Luke and palpatine could move faster then a eye could see and were like blurrs. See my logic?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yep, true.

So NJO Luke holds no noticeable advantage over DE Luke apart from Emrald Lightning and more refined Saber Skills?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. Kun controlled far less ordinary humans than Palp or Joruus did.
2. That freezing did nothing to the Jedi

Numbers are irrelevant in this case. If there would be more people in senate, then they would also had suffered the same thing too. So I don't see Exar Kun being weak in this case. Stop using childesh approach for your arguements.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
How was it proved? a Dark Side Luke testing him?
And again: the Slayers were shown to fight twice and a dying one CRUSHED KYP DURRON IN COMBAT

And that Luke comfortably countered all Jacen's moves. Can you notice this?

Also Kyp's not so impressive Saber Skills has to do more with his failure agianst a dying Slayer. Those who were better then him, did well.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
and considering Kyp is one of the best around period, that says a lot

I am talking about his Saber Skills and not his power. These are two different things.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Please...provide a counter

Only Anakin had the highest potential in entire SW Saga but Luke's potential is also very close because the son could become what his father could not after suffering horrible injuries. Then there are some more people with reasonably high potentials like Kyp, Jacen, Revan and Yoda. And we do not see Leia and Jaina having potential that rivals that of Luke's or even that of Jacen, Revan, Yoda and Kyp. And yet these two ladies are also part of Skywalker family. So being a Skywalker does not means that you are always the best.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Noone's saber skills rival Luke's.

Palpatine's?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yeah. you mean a small piece of the big picture? Or how luke does seem to think Jacen's second only to him?

Jacen is 2nd only to Luke? This is questionable because of existance of Kyp in LOTF period and some ancient ones like Yoda and Revan. And I would put Yoda above Jacen with ease. And Revan and Kyp are exceptional match for him. But if we are considering NJO Jedi Order only then even in this case, Jacen being 2nd is far behind Luke as proven by that fight.

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

So NJO Luke holds no noticeable advantage over DE Luke apart from Emrald Lightning and more refined Saber Skills?

No, that includes walking across lava, cloaking an entire planet, tearing apart a ISD engine and alot of others

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Again, NJO Luke>DE Luke by a CONSIDERABLE margin. However, a physical Exar Kun would pwn DE Luke because of his offensive weapons. Jacen doesn't stand much chance either.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What are you - 2 years old?
Kun over-powered Luke's favourite student so that Luke won't be able to pawn him. Then when Luke was engaged with this over-powered Kyp, Kun decided to end the fight quickly my making his own move. This entire scenario clearly shows that Kun made things un-easier for Luke and created such circumstances in which he would easily defeat Luke and he succeeded with ease. So my point stands that Kun even as a spirit was a major threat to Luke.

No, Luke was holding back against Kyp. Last time Kun overpowered a student, Luke was able to toy with and decimate him. *Clap clap* Go Kun. And you're point has nothing to do with a combat scenario

He did not wanted to hurt Kyp but was he ready to die by him as well? NO!

Wow! I can randomly capitalize stuff too! Luke held back against Kyp and Kun, coward that he is, seized a chance. No more, no less. Luke was in no danger from Kyp truly.
And DE Luke won't be able to beat physical Kun because he knows no defense against Kun's special DS techniques that Kun used on him. Also Amulets ring some bells.[/Quote]
Now you're just being a fool: Palpatine didn't use the Force against Luke because he knew it'd be useless so he forced a saber duel.
Unless you're gonna BOTHER to tell me Palpatine's weaker than Kun, I'd advise you to shut up

This is your arguement? Empty Claims.

Facts, actually. Either counter them or shut your mouth

Or they were much better fighters then Kyp.

who's one of the best fighters around period.

Even in a straight up fight Luke would have lost because of the reason that I have described above.

Yeah. You're wrong. K, thanks for playing. Take the fanboyism out of this

Advantage of Amulets and knowledge of more dangerous DS techniques, that even Luke could not defend against. And Kun is an exceptional match for him even in Saber Combat. Jacen holds no noticeable advantage over Kun, so you should give up.

When Kun displays force powers toJacen's level, becomes one with the Force in entirety, defeats creatures that can take out Kyp Durron, one of the strongest Jedi with ease...and Luke learned from Palpatine himself...Palpatine knew that the Dark Side techniques were no use against a fully powered Luke.
See that? Kun's far superior in power and knowledge knew that. And those amulet blasts? easily dodgeable for someone who moves faster than the eye can see

Constant learning is what helps and not time period.

Which is what Luke kinda, y'know, did

OK! Emerald Lightning is one feat, so this is one advantage he has.
Regarding Saber Skills, DE Luke was not far behind his NJO counter-part because he was already a match for palpatine's Saber Skills and DE palpatine is not so behind NJO Luke in Saber skills, because both DE Luke and palpatine could move faster then a eye could see and were like blurrs. See my logic?

So...ok, DE Luke would beat Kun as well? If there's no power gap, then I suppose Kun has no chance

So NJO Luke holds no noticeable advantage over DE Luke apart from Emrald Lightning and more refined Saber Skills?

And general refinement of power

Numbers are irrelevant in this case. If there would be more people in senate, then they would also had suffered the same thing too. So I don't see Exar Kun being weak in this case. Stop using childesh approach for your arguements.

But there weren't more people. Palpatine and Joruus displayed more power than him on far greater scales.

And that Luke comfortably countered all Jacen's moves. Can you notice this?

Or can you notice that a small paragraph is not the full story?

Also Kyp's not so impressive Saber Skills has to do more with his failure agianst a dying Slayer. Those who were better then him, did well.

You mean Kyp Durron, who was able to cut through Vong with ease, outmanuever a Leviathan, dissipate lightning with his hands...
Kyp's an exceptional saber fighter.

I am talking about his Saber Skills and not his power. These are two different things.

except they're not. Saber skill and attunement to the force are correlated and Kyp is an exceptional duelist

Only Anakin had the highest potential in entire SW Saga but Luke's potential is also very close because the son could become what his father could not after suffering horrible injuries. Then there are some more people with reasonably high potentials like Kyp, Jacen, Revan and Yoda. And we do not see Leia and Jaina having potential that rivals that of Luke's or even that of Jacen, Revan, Yoda and Kyp. And yet these two ladies are also part of Skywalker family. So being a Skywalker does not means that you are always the best.

Ben and the Skywalker twins have just about the same potential, did you notice that?
Any Skywalker's potential dwarfs Kun's

Palpatine's?

In DE? Yes. NJO? No

Jacen is 2nd only to Luke? This is questionable because of existance of Kyp in LOTF period and some ancient ones like Yoda and Revan. And I would put Yoda above Jacen with ease. And Revan and Kyp are exceptional match for him. But if we are considering NJO Jedi Order only then even in this case, Jacen being 2nd is far behind Luke as proven by that fight.

As of LOTF, Jacen is second only to Luke with maybe...two other people in the saga above him. Luke feels Jacen getting steadily more powerful and fears him turning to the Dark Side...and maybe you didn't notice how Jacen destroyed a group of fresh creatures when Kyp couldn't even take a dying one.
jacen is second only to Luke in the order. That means he's above Kyp

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As of LOTF, Jacen is second only to Luke with maybe...two other people in the saga above him. Luke feels Jacen getting steadily more powerful and fears him turning to the Dark Side...and maybe you didn't notice how Jacen destroyed a group of fresh creatures when Kyp couldn't even take a dying one.
jacen is second only to Luke in the order. That means he's above Kyp [/B]

First off, don't give me this nonsense that because DE Luke managed to defeat DE Sidious in saber combat, that he can defeat Luke, because you know how quickly I can destroy that argument. By DE, Luke is no match for Exar Kun. And as for the quoted post, Jacen is second to Luke in YOUR opinion, NOTHING ELSE. Jacen still does NOT have the offensive weapons to fight Kun, so stop wasting your time.