Originally posted by King_Mungi
.....what happened to the good old speedblitz he has? Also Hulk can't go all out against him as he has a calming affect on him as stated. He would do anything for Sentry as he considers him a friend.
The calming aura only makes him feel better, but it doesn't put him under a trance or any thing. It's like how two best friends in comics can still fight each other to the death on these forums. Hulk also considers the Defenders his friends as well, even if he does quarrel with them. Well, at least until Strange helped blast him into space.
Originally posted by Accel
I don't see Sentry's speed blitz as effective as most do. He doesn't seem to have reflexes that fast and I can see Hulk reacting to him in time. Assuming he doesn't, however, he can still buy enough time for Strange/Surfer to take out their opponents and then Surfer can deal with Sentry.The calming aura only makes him feel better, but it doesn't put him under a trance or any thing. It's like how two best friends in comics can still fight each other to the death on these forums. Hulk also considers the Defenders his friends as well, even if he does quarrel with them. Well, at least until Strange helped blast him into space.
He flew to the sun in seconds, how could you not have fast reflexes? also he apparently is 5 seconds ahead of everyone else stated in his first Sentry mini so yes his reflexes by all accounts are vastly higher. Depends on who fights Strange first, even BRB has ko'ed Strange pretty easily 😉
It makes him feel better and more docile, hell Hulk was considered his sidekick. Did you see what the Void did to the Hulk? the Void = Sentry. Actually he disliked the Defenders, and didn't like how he was used. Even Professor Hulk told Strange to bugger off as he felt he used him as a toy
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
He flew to the sun in seconds, how could you not have fast reflexes? also he apparently is 5 seconds ahead of everyone else stated in his first Sentry mini so yes his reflexes by all accounts are vastly higher. Depends on who fights Strange first, even BRB has ko'ed Strange pretty easily 😉It makes me feel better and more docile, hell Hulk was considered his sidekick. Did you see what the Void did to the Hulk? the Void = Sentry. Actually he disliked the Defenders, and didn't like how he was used. Even Professor Hulk told Strange to bugger off as he felt he used him as a toy
I'm not convinced Sentry is equal to the Void. I don't see Sentry handling all of Earth's heroes like the Void did. Then again, Sentry easily threw the Void into sun without any real problems. Their respective power levels seem to fluctuate.
Hulk fought a lot with the Defenders, but as there seems to be some kind of bond that isn;t shown much. Namor, who's easily fought with Hulk more than any other Defender, defended him when the Illuminati planned to send him into space. On at least two occasions, Surfer remarked to Hulk about sharing a bond due to the time they spent as teammates.
Originally posted by Accel
His state in the time flux doesn't really seem to mean much. I interpreted that to mean he could see what would happen 2-5 seconds into the future, but if that were the case, he'd never be taken by surprise like he has been when Hulk snuck on him in the cave or when Absorbing Man knocked him through a building. His reflexes just don't seem to be that fast.I'm not convinced Sentry is equal to the Void. I don't see Sentry handling all of Earth's heroes like the Void did. Then again, Sentry easily threw the Void into sun without any real problems. Their respective power levels seem to fluctuate.
Hulk fought a lot with the Defenders, but as there seems to be some kind of bond that isn;t shown much. Namor, who's easily fought with Hulk more than any other Defender, defended him when the Illuminati planned to send him into space. On at least two occasions, Surfer remarked to Hulk about sharing a bond due to the time they spent as teammates.
The wonders of PIS/CIS, it's not rare to see writers disregard characters powers to write a story you know that. He was looking for the Hulk as he needed him to protect him while in the Negative Zone. Also Sentry even admited he was holding back during the AM fight.
.....that's what was stated in both the Sentry mini's and New Avengers. Hell it was revealed the Void is Sentry and Sentry is the Void told in the new mini. Also Sentry has even stated he holds back most of the time, as the stronger he gets the stronger Void gets and that's why he had to give up his power in the first place. I take it you havn't read the mini's...don't...first one was meh!, second was bad. Void's also is at his strongest during the night
They can feel bonds towards him, but Hulk has directly stated he doesn't have the same bonds. Even during the Hulk Amnestry ark he once again tells Strange to bugger off he wants no part of him.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
The wonders of PIS/CIS, it's not rare to see writers disregard characters powers to write a story you know that. He was looking for the Hulk as he needed him to protect him while in the Negative Zone. Also Sentry even admited he was holding back during the AM fight......that's what was stated in both the Sentry mini's and New Avengers. Hell it was revealed the Void is Sentry and Sentry is the Void told in the new mini. Also Sentry has even stated he holds back most of the time, as the stronger he gets the stronger Void gets and that's why he had to give up his power in the first place. I take it you havn't read the mini's...don't...first one was meh!, second was bad. Void's also is at his strongest during the night
They can feel bonds towards him, but Hulk has directly stated he doesn't have the same bonds. Even during the Hulk Amnestry ark he once again tells Strange to bugger off he wants no part of him.
I read 'em- confusing as the second one was- but they can't seem to decide what the Void's relation to the Sentry is. At first it seems the Void's the Sentry's dark side. Then it seems the Void is in Reynolds's head. Then it seems the Void is Robert Reynolds and the Sentry is just some separate identity. THEN Sentry claims he is also Robert Reynolds while Void claims the same.
So while they very well could be equal, they also tend to be very opposite. While int he Negative Zone, Sentry wasn't feeling right, which could very mean that the Void was stronger. And later when Sentry feels right for once, he casually throws the Void into the sun, which seems to imply that while Sentry became stronger with confidence, Void became weaker.
They pretty much stated as much, even in the most recent Defenders mini. But Hulk tended to think of the Surfer as a good friend recently in Planet Hulk. He's teamed up with Namor on at least one occasion where they tried to take out the Avengers. Even with the Sentry retcon, I believe Namor and possibly the others have known Hulk longer than Sentry has.
Originally posted by Accel
It could be argued to be CIS, but the thing is it never helps him at all. The only time it really came up in a fight was in his fight against Iron Man, and even then it didn't help him then. The ability to see into the future just about never comes into play, which tells me it's not really much of a power, so I'm not so sure it's really CIS.I read 'em- confusing as the second one was- but they can't seem to decide what the Void's relation to the Sentry is. At first it seems the Void's the Sentry's dark side. Then it seems the Void is in Reynolds's head. Then it seems the Void is Robert Reynolds and the Sentry is just some separate identity. THEN Sentry claims he is also Robert Reynolds while Void claims the same.
So while they very well could be equal, they also tend to be very opposite. While int he Negative Zone, Sentry wasn't feeling right, which could very mean that the Void was stronger. And later when Sentry feels right for once, he casually throws the Void into the sun, which seems to imply that while Sentry became stronger with confidence, Void became weaker.
They pretty much stated as much, even in the most recent Defenders mini. But Hulk tended to think of the Surfer as a good friend recently in Planet Hulk. He's teamed up with Namor on at least one occasion where they tried to take out the Avengers. Even with the Sentry retcon, I believe Namor and possibly the others have known Hulk longer than Sentry has.
Well considering he was spanking Iron Man, and then Stark used Cloc against him making multiple crisis at once overloading him. If it has been shown in the first mini and stated, and once again stated in New Avengers how is it not PIS/CIS if it's ignored?
Their both the same, all of the scenerio's you just said directly connect to the Void being Sentry. Wether it be in just his head, or Reynold's himself. Their tied together and stated and shown to be equal.
As stated the Void rules over the Negative Zone, basically it's his opposite. He threw the Collective in the sun easily too, doesn't mean much as Sentry has even stated the Void will be back. It's all a mind thing, as if he thought the Void was somewhere such as the Watchtower the void would be there.
Meh! didn't seem that friendly when they attacked each other. Technically Sentry was apparently the first true hero or some crap like that. Dr.Doom and Namor have teamed up several times same with the X-Men and Magneto doesn't mean they like each other.
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well considering he was spanking Iron Man, and then Stark used Cloc against him making multiple crisis at once overloading him. If it has been shown in the first mini and stated, and once again stated in New Avengers how is it not PIS/CIS if it's ignored?Their both the same, all of the scenerio's you just said directly connect to the Void being Sentry. Wether it be in just his head, or Reynold's himself. Their tied together and stated and shown to be equal.
As stated the Void rules over the Negative Zone, basically it's his opposite. He threw the Collective in the sun easily too, doesn't mean much as Sentry has even stated the Void will be back. It's all a mind thing, as if he thought the Void was somewhere such as the Watchtower the void would be there.
Meh! didn't seem that friendly when they attacked each other. Technically Sentry was apparently the first true hero or some crap like that. Dr.Doom and Namor have teamed up several times same with the X-Men and Magneto doesn't mean they like each other.
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Honestly, I don’t recall it being stated Sentry had the power to actually see in to the future, only that his body was about 2 seconds ahead, which gave him powers.
Maybe. The whole idea of the Void just seems to be constantly changing. You see Void manhandling Strange, Thor, and every one else and then you see Sentry holding his own just fine, though I don’t see Sentry being that far above Thor. And really, I don’t see Sentry doing to Hulk what Void did unless Hulk’s written like a thumb-sucking baby like he was there.
Well, it’s not like they can be considered BFFs, but I believe Hulk’s at least loyal enough to stick with the Defenders for this fight. It’s kind of like how if you pitted Superman/Captain America against Thor/Batman, you wouldn’t have Supes and Thor switching sides just avoid fighting their best friends.
Well College was cancelled due to weather, so here I am...I want sleep.
Originally posted by Accel
Honestly, I don’t recall it being stated Sentry had the power to actually see in to the future, only that his body was about 2 seconds ahead, which gave him powers.Maybe. The whole idea of the Void just seems to be constantly changing. You see Void manhandling Strange, Thor, and every one else and then you see Sentry holding his own just fine, though I don’t see Sentry being that far above Thor. And really, I don’t see Sentry doing to Hulk what Void did unless Hulk’s written like a thumb-sucking baby like he was there.
Well, it’s not like they can be considered BFFs, but I believe Hulk’s at least loyal enough to stick with the Defenders for this fight. It’s kind of like how if you pitted Superman/Captain America against Thor/Batman, you wouldn’t have Supes and Thor switching sides just avoid fighting their best friends.
First mini he sees into the future and now Cloc can do it for him.
Which he probally will be, I dislike Sentry to no ends, but thus far his hype is outrageous. Even the toss-away line from Spider-Man he stalemated Galactus..bah!
But it's not in either of their powersets to make one member docile, while Sentry has the power over Hulk.
Originally posted by long pig
I normally would have discounted Sentry but it seems like that stupid million sun thing is his actual power, not hyperbole.What can you do against that? Throw a rock at it or something? It's stupid.
But, check out Strange summoning the Phoenix force and it heeds his call. 😈
Ideally, Strange should destroy him and I considered the million exploding suns crap a hyperbole until his fight with Absorbing Man 🙁.
wait...isn't that a What If? (What if the X-Men lost Inferno?) Anyways doesn't mean much as Zatanna has summoned Spectre before. 😎
Originally posted by jasofisc
wow I can't believe that sentery is that powerful he just seemed like so much hype. well if sentry can take out strange I really don't see how the defender team wins
See that's what I thought too, until his mini and then his apperance in Civil War: The Return......man I dislike this character.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
First mini he sees into the future and now Cloc can do it for him.Which he probally will be, I dislike Sentry to no ends, but thus far his hype is outrageous. Even the toss-away line from Spider-Man he stalemated Galactus..bah!
But it's not in either of their powersets to make one member docile, while Sentry has the power over Hulk.
Honestly, Sentry stalemating Galactus wouldn't be as big a deal as some people make it to be. We've seen Quasar stalemate him and Thor beat him, so the idea that another top-tier could stalemate him isn't so bad, so long as he was hungry at the time.
Hulk's only docile because the Sentry's aura makes him feel good. He doesn't have to side with Sentry, just feel better when he's in Sentry's prescence. He just has to keep remembering Sentry wants to kill him and he has to fight him.
Originally posted by jasofisc
wow I can't believe that sentery is that powerful he just seemed like so much hype. well if sentry can take out strange I really don't see how the defender team wins
strange really makes this tough to call. hell, there are some who would put JUST strange against that avengers line-up and say strange could win based on feats. 🙁
imo it depends entirely upon how strange is written. if he's written well, defenders take it. if he's written at his<sentry level (just-another-top-tier-guy-level), the avengers take it.
if this is hom wanda (not sure if that was changed) then it's really hard to see the defenders winning any.
the avengers have the more powerful overall lineup, but strange is the wildcard.
Originally posted by Accel
Ah, didn't know that. I pretty much skimmed through the first series when I wanted to check it out. Still, speedblitzing Hulk into space can still buy enough time for Strange to erect an impenetrable shield and do what he needs to do to take out the other team.Honestly, Sentry stalemating Galactus wouldn't be as big a deal as some people make it to be. We've seen Quasar stalemate him and Thor beat him, so the idea that another top-tier could stalemate him isn't so bad, so long as he was hungry at the time.
Hulk's only docile because the Sentry's aura makes him feel good. He doesn't have to side with Sentry, just feel better when he's in Sentry's prescence. He just has to keep remembering Sentry wants to kill him and he has to fight him.
Considering it merely took Sentry seconds to fly to the sun that's not a lot of time. Meh! others such as Beta Ray Bill have ko'ed Strange rather easily. I think people are over-rating Strange he is far from unbeatable even Long_pig even stated that in a thead and that the hype has gotten too much.
Quasar didn't do much at all, and Thor didn't straight up fight him, he had prep and used various other things. Even all Bill could do was just crack Galactus's armor.... that's it.
If he wants to kill Hulk, the Void scene will happen all over again and yes Sentry = Void and that's a stated fact.
Originally posted by Accel
He didn't really take out Strange. He just resisted Strange messing with his mind and then punched him. It doesn't really say Sentry is above Strange, just that it takes more than some mind-spell to overcome him.
Strange even stated he was afraid of him...so yeah that mini heavily implied Sentry was above him.
