Originally posted by Lana
It's not so much that they didn't understand the circumstances but more that you decided to keep them secret from everyone so that no one COULD understand it. So really? This entire mess is 100% your fault and could have been avoided from the very start.
That's the worst logic ever. It got bashed when people thought it was merely a social club and I'm going to release something this big? Yeah right. I knew I'd get bashed and I was right.
It's not 100% my fault. See? Ignorance. People mocking TFT changed everything. We were doing fine until we began getting mocked by such names as Vinny and Barker.
Let me ask you this - have you ever, ONCE, bashed or made fun of someone or a thread? Have you? Hmmmmmm?Somehow I doubt you'll be able to say no.
Actually, No. I never have. Ask anyone. Try to find where I have. I just never have done that.
Vinny mocking the TFT may not have been appropriate but how is that relevant at all to how people have acted that are part of it?
He mocked us continuously and some of my members had just had it with him, honestly.
People think it's stupid and pointless because it is not helping KMC at all, it is in fact causing problems (which you cannot at all deny), and it's not going to change anything. Not to mention is making a huge deal of something that's really not as big a deal as you make it out to be.
No, IT is not causing problems. The people against it are causing the problems. We have not generated a problem whatsoever. It's not helping because it's not being given a chance at all. Just getting mocked and bash over and over and over and OVER AND OVER Again.
I'm not making into a big deal! I've asked just to be left alone! If you don't agree with the ideology, whatever! Don't join! If you do, come on in and try it out! But stop attacking it just because you CAN.
It is not your place to try and get other people to do anything. Most people are very good about reporting trouble already. They don't need some silly little group to tell them to do this. And for that matter, most of the people who think the TFT is pointless are far better about reporting trouble they come across than those who are in it, making it even MORE pointless.
Once again, I'm not telling anyone what to do. Just trying to give people a different perspective to make healthy posts into the forum without unnecessary insults or random attacks. It would make the place alot better if it slowed down a bit.
The split would never have happened if you hadn't created the TFT. [/B]
No, the split would never have happened if people hadn't randomly bashed the TFT, which is what the whole complaint and creation of TFT is about, Ironically.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriHe did state he thought it was a good idea and I would like to point out how much reason and justification does one person really need to do something on an online forum when no one is being hurt
Note the fact that after our encounter he had absolutely no reasonable explanation nor justification for it either.-AC
-NJ 😛
Seraphim, if YOU were the one who started this because YOU thought the forum was hostile, then YOU try to do things that make it better for you, not us.
Your rules do/did not coincide with your reasoning. It was clearly an elitist thing, or a poorly organised and conceived idea that came across as an elitist thing.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, my analogy is perfect.You said the basis of this idea came from YOU arriving and not liking the atmosphere. Tough. Leave or adapt, why should WE change? We were here first, we like it, you came here a month or so ago and you don't like it.
Brb, scoring a three pointer.
-AC
How is when I came here relevant? Logical Fallacy. You could be here for four years and be the biggest troublemaking moron and have someone who just comes in and is a nice guy or have someone who's a genius.
Why should I adapt? I don't expect you to change. That is the purpose of TFT; It's a damn choice. Are you not getting this?
Brb, Allioop.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Seraphim, if YOU were the one who started this because YOU thought the forum was hostile, then YOU try to do things that make it better for you, not us.Your rules do/did not coincide with your reasoning. It was clearly an elitist thing, or a poorly organised and conceived idea that came across as an elitist thing.
-AC
Of course. I can totally see where you're coming from. But I made TFT so that if anyone wanted to come along and do what I was doing or help out with the idea I had going on, that they had the option. That's all. I'm not forcing anything or running some shoddy dictatorship here. Learn that.
It was not elitist and my first try to approach it was not well, but the general idea was not far from bad. EG: No racism, treat all members with respect, don't be mean to women, etc etc.
Poorly organized, yes. Bad idea? No. Get that straight.
Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Your analogy is perfect? Just a tad arrogant.How is when I came here relevant? Logical Fallacy. You could be here for four years and be the biggest troublemaking moron and have someone who just comes in and is a nice guy or have someone who's a genius.
Why should I adapt? I don't expect you to change. That is the purpose of TFT; It's a damn choice. Are you not getting this?
Brb, Allioop.
You adapt because you don't run things around here. And your not setting it up as a choice, your setting it up as you running things over our heads and censoring what we say and we very justly take offence at that.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriTechinically he has something he could easily defend his position if he knew how to... 😬
It's not about hurting, it's about him explaining. He couldn't justify himself if he did need to, because...he had nothing.-AC
Besides I would point if every thread on this particular forum needed justification to prove it's worth well the OTF would be one baron forum wouldn't
-NJ